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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 05 2015 20:29 GMT
#721
On March 05 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 16:17 ritoky wrote:
On March 05 2015 15:05 rsoultin wrote:
I still kinda think ritoky is town


what dropped you down to kinda?


Your presence in the thread wasn't as strong as I remembered it, but it got better. Got a problem with that? Like, seriously, we can pretend I'm a viable lynch here but I'm really not. You're basically saying I have the IQ of a Brussels sprout if you're calling me scum -shrugs- I expect you to work with me after work to get this lynch settled, and have some ideas of your own. If you're getting reads right now that's fine but at some point it's time to take a shit or get off the pot.


work and recently married eats up a lot more time than i normally expect.

the reason i am so critical of you is because i think you're town but.... and there lies my problem. i want a town read on you like i have on damdred or tfelz, but in my head i keep arriving at "seems really town, but" area. and i don't think it is a low iq move at all. playing as mafia is a team game and saving a teammate if you have the option is almost always better than not saving a teammate. but that's all procedural semantics.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 05 2015 20:30 GMT
#722
thank you robik for being robik, i don't want to lynch robik today.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 05 2015 20:48 GMT
#723
Can I go back to slacking off?

People should reread slam interactions and who pushed slam and for what reasons. I'm really leaning towards there being a bus given the palmar NK.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 05 2015 20:56 GMT
#724
On March 04 2015 04:14 OnceKing wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count

Alakaslam (5): Onegu, rsoultin, Damdred, prplhz, Trfel
ritoky (2): Palmar, Alakaslam
prplhz (2): IAmRobik, Snickers
Palmar (1): Superbia
OatsMaster (1): MysteryMeat1
Snickers (0): prplhz, Trfel
MysteryMeat1 (0): Snickers, prplhz

Not voted (2): ritoky, Oatsmaster

As it currently stands, Alakaslam is slated to be deported.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:



hrm this is an interesting vote.

So it goes:
me -> slam, palmar from ritoky -> prp, mm1 from oats -> prp, superbia from palm -> prp, rsoul from slam -> prp

mm1 reason for oats vote:

On March 04 2015 03:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster

Hi oats, gimme some love


translation: vote on the lurker

mm1 reason for switch:

On March 04 2015 04:51 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Then I shall follow you robik and vote for prp, or would you have me keep my vote on oats?


sheeps robik even though robik has been on prp for a long time; does somewhat line up with his only read in the game though: that being robik is town.

superbia reason for palm vote:

On March 02 2015 09:22 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 08:35 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I'm going to suggest we keep a massively no-nonsense town atmosphere this game with strong emphasis on policy lynching people who refuse to take part in the game.

Every vote should be backed with reasons, there should be absolutely no trolling of any kind. Lying, fake claims etc should all be punished with a lynch. It's going to make for such a better environment to scumhunt in if we actively discourage shennies.


Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 08:13 Palmar wrote:
Yeah shit guys I rolled mafia this time, so don't expect anything.


Yeah, you're fucked either way.

##Vote: Palmar


joke vote? wonder why it took him so long to move it if this was a joke vote, especially seeing that palmar appeared to be his top town. obsessed with lynching me, but no real effort level put into it.

reason for switch onto prp:

On March 04 2015 07:47 Superbia wrote:
prp looks like an okay-ish lynch. Ritoky looks a little better imo. Asks regarding prp's meta early on, seemingly questioning his alignment, but completely falls off. Doesn't want to vote him over slam, even though his vote on slam has a very weak reason.


weak reason, moreso seems to just want to sheep palmar.

rsoul reason for voting slam:

On March 03 2015 09:34 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 09:20 ritoky wrote:
On March 03 2015 09:14 rsoultin wrote:
Slam lovely I'm sorry that you're not town this game :/


what made you arrive here from "boring boring boring" as your read on slam earlier?

also, why did you vote for slam when you did? you hadn't mentioned him in your filter up to that point.


tone read

boring slam is a scum slam

he contributed nothing and just randomly sheeped palmar (maybe y'all can tell if palmar's serious or not about lynching you but I sure can't)

this latest post was a bunch of nothing again. it wasn't a change in reads at all lol just reaffirming the one I already had; i'm not going to vote to lynch someone I don't think is scum


a form of a meta/thread presence read.

reason for switching to prp:

On March 04 2015 07:59 rsoultin wrote:
they may both be scum. palmar's reason is good enough

and ill get back to you after flip, super xP why you'd expect me to have a read on you right now is amusing


she went from having so much faith in her own read that she was telling others to vote slam to being so unconfident in her own read and instead sheeping palmar's read because it is "good enough" and he "probably knows better". like what is with this tonal shift and deference away from her own read? i don't think she is more likely mafia than the other two, but i can't shake that there is something amiss in this.

bonus material:

this is what keeps me having the "but" on rsoul, posts like this:

On March 03 2015 14:19 rsoultin wrote:
TRUFFLE

VOTE SLAM WITH ME IF YOU'RE TOWN

if not, please carry on and be dumb xP snickers obviously isn't the best lynch today


how did she get from this place to a place where she swaps to save slam? at this point she seems so adamant about slam...this kinda stuff just keeps giving me pause throughout her game.

conclusion:

i think superbia is the most likely scum here. i think he would have gladly left his vote jokingly on palmar the entire phase or placed it on me if he actually believed in his read, especially since palmar was willing to vote and push on me (at the very least early on). i think he saw an opportunity to tie the vote and potentially sway someone to saving a scum buddy and did so.

##vote: superbia
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 05 2015 21:01 GMT
#725
I've given my defense. No one taking my opinion seriously so I literally can't be bothered. HF.
Minimal effort.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 05 2015 21:02 GMT
#726
Darn it ritoky, you beat me to it.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 05 2015 21:03 GMT
#727
Literally no one is taking the vote into context. I've given my thought process and basically everyone who is scumreading me is basically ignoring it. Literally the entire case on me is "you've voted for town over scum, so you're scum". I don't have perfect information as town. I can be wrong.

Literally the dumbest shit ever.
Minimal effort.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 05 2015 21:04 GMT
#728
On March 06 2015 06:03 Superbia wrote:
Literally no one is taking the vote into context. I've given my thought process and basically everyone who is scumreading me is basically ignoring it. Literally the entire case on me is "you've voted for town over scum, so you're scum". I don't have perfect information as town. I can be wrong.

Literally the dumbest shit ever.
Be patient.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 05 2015 21:06 GMT
#729
I lost my patience a few pages ago. I've been done with this game the moment I looked at the next 2 pages after I spewed the sickest logic ever and realized essentially everyone was ignoring it and scumreading me for voting wrong.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 05 2015 21:07 GMT
#730
I'm prefacing this wagon by saying that I'm probably not going to defend myself. I've said everything I wanted to say. If town is not looking to take my opinion seriously then just lynch me.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 05 2015 21:07 GMT
#731
Bye.
Minimal effort.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
March 05 2015 21:09 GMT
#732
Yea he is scum
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 05 2015 21:11 GMT
#733
to further that case since there isn't much to it:

supberia's day 1 doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.

On March 02 2015 09:22 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 08:35 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I'm going to suggest we keep a massively no-nonsense town atmosphere this game with strong emphasis on policy lynching people who refuse to take part in the game.

Every vote should be backed with reasons, there should be absolutely no trolling of any kind. Lying, fake claims etc should all be punished with a lynch. It's going to make for such a better environment to scumhunt in if we actively discourage shennies.


Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 08:13 Palmar wrote:
Yeah shit guys I rolled mafia this time, so don't expect anything.


Yeah, you're fucked either way.

##Vote: Palmar


I am assuming this is a joke vote on palmar, because of the following:

On March 04 2015 07:33 Superbia wrote:
This game feels super slow, even though I haven't been playing at all. Palmar, where you at? Give me a nice, concise list pls.


He has a very long departure from the thread and rather than attempt to engage the thread in any way he just seeks out palmar (the person he is voting for) for reads and likely to get in his good graces. he then sits there and parrots palmar and his sentiments basically the entire rest of the day, with things like:

On March 04 2015 07:49 Superbia wrote:
Can we switch to ritoky?


and

On March 04 2015 07:48 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 07:45 Palmar wrote:
ritoky switch or I lynch you tomorrow.


K we're on the same page.


yet even through all of this he apparently doesn't have a strong town read on palmar even though he is basically sheeping his every word:

On March 04 2015 07:51 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I guess. I don't really have a solid read on anyone but Snickers. Snickers is town.

Also RSO probably mafia for OGI reasons.


beyond that if you read the end of the day phase to me it reads as superbia basically bullying and pressuring rsoul into a vote swap, especially after it becomes clear that i won't be budged through his threats.

to me his day 1 just doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. i think he doesn't believe in his read on me (which is the only thing he seems to have atm) or else he really would have pushed forward on it by now. he is the mafia who switched.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 05 2015 21:12 GMT
#734
On March 06 2015 06:06 Superbia wrote:
I lost my patience a few pages ago. I've been done with this game the moment I looked at the next 2 pages after I spewed the sickest logic ever and realized essentially everyone was ignoring it and scumreading me for voting wrong.
Superbia, there is one big hole in your logic. And that hole is you.

Alakaslam was scum, and he didn't do much about his own plight. We can primarily blame this on him being busy, and some people having a good read on him.

It is possible that both other mafia had little ability/will to make a counterwagon. Someone who was away until a half hour before end of day (aka you) would make sense for mafia coming so close to dying on Day 1, with the only counterwagon being led by flipped town. Therefore, if you are mafia, there is no reason to believe that the Alakaslam wagon was a bus, so that isn't a reason to townread you.

With the rest of your play in mind, I see you as reasonably likely to be scum. I will take a closer look at other filters, and I'm not saying that I want to lynch you 100%, but currently I find you to be the most suspicious, and worthy of a small case.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 05 2015 21:16 GMT
#735
[QUOTE]On March 05 2015 12:02 Superbia wrote:
I think it's probably robik. Robik needs to claim PR or die.
[QUOTE]

if you're town, why aren't you pursuing this at all? like seriously, it isn't like robik isn't around right now. it isn't like robik hasn't had thread interactions.

you have 2 reads: robik = pr or mafia, ritoky = mafia. you're not even trying to push through either. i don't see you solving the game in the slightest. and now you're whining? w/e dude.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 05 2015 21:16 GMT
#736
On March 05 2015 12:02 Superbia wrote:
I think it's probably robik. Robik needs to claim PR or die.


if you're town, why aren't you pursuing this at all? like seriously, it isn't like robik isn't around right now. it isn't like robik hasn't had thread interactions.

you have 2 reads: robik = pr or mafia, ritoky = mafia. you're not even trying to push through either. i don't see you solving the game in the slightest. and now you're whining? w/e dude.

fixed from above
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 21:16 GMT
#737
Day 2 Vote Count

Superbia (2): Trfel, ritoky
Damdred (1): Snickers
MysteryMeat1 (1): Onegu
IAmRobik (0): Damdred

Not voted (6): Superbia, Damdred, rsoultin, MysteryMeat1, Oatsmaster, IAmRobik

As it currently stands, Superbia is slated to be deported.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 05 2015 21:22 GMT
#738
24 hours to go and you rage quit thread instead of interacting mafia found it feels like.

I'm not sure why all this anger from super if he's town though
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
March 05 2015 21:25 GMT
#739
He was talking about Sickest logic but never even said what it was
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 05 2015 21:28 GMT
#740
Superbia
  • Superbia's actions at End of Day appear mafia-motivated
    + Show Spoiler +
    On March 04 2015 07:47 Superbia wrote:
    prp looks like an okay-ish lynch. Ritoky looks a little better imo. Asks regarding prp's meta early on, seemingly questioning his alignment, but completely falls off. Doesn't want to vote him over slam, even though his vote on slam has a very weak reason.
    Here, Superbia mentions that the prphlz lynch is okay.
    On March 04 2015 07:57 Superbia wrote:
    Voted for prp. I feel the townier people are on prp. 50% of people on slam are all decently scummy.
    Superbia votes for prphlz, with his main reason being that the prphlz wagon was full of town, while the Alakaslam votes were much more suspicious. It seems like Superbia is trying to distance himself from the lynch. However, at End of Day Superbia is very forceful about lynching prphlz instead of Alakaslam:
    On March 04 2015 07:58 Superbia wrote:
    Vote for prp or claim scum. Pick one.

    Basically, Superbia came into the thread, tried to get a vote switch to (in my opinion at the time, probably town) ritoky. And this vote switch was pretty hopeless with less than fifteen minutes to End of Day and ritoky only had one vote. So, Superbia still hasn't voted. He sees Palmar hard pushing prphlz, and sees rsoultin wavering. Superbia votes for prphlz, while distancing himself from this vote, and then hard pushes the prphlz lynch. Very mafia-motivated play.

  • Superbia's reads are full of contradictions and inconsistencies
    + Show Spoiler +
    Superbia's play relied on sheeping Palmar. He did so with the push on prphlz, with Palmar's scum list after the flip, and in this post, where he tells town to sheep Palmar:
    On March 04 2015 08:10 Superbia wrote:
    Just sheep Palmar for the rest of the game if I die. Ride or die ssons.
    However, Superbia never directly provided a read on Palmar. In addition, he says that all of his reads are rather weak:
    On March 04 2015 07:51 Superbia wrote:
    Meh. I guess. I don't really have a solid read on anyone but Snickers. Snickers is town.

    Also RSO probably mafia for OGI reasons.
    So his sheeping of Palmar and telling everyone else to do so makes no sense. Palmar's play was not very impressive in this game, and it wasn't terribly alignment indicative, either.

    Superbia is also extremely confident that Alakaslam is town.
    On March 04 2015 08:08 Superbia wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On March 04 2015 07:59 Palmar wrote:
    When prplhz flips town (this is a crapshoot lynch) rsoultin, robik ritoky are mafia. I used the alphabet to determine this.


    Pretty much.

    I honestly think this game is pretty near solved, tbh. I don't think slam is ever mafia here. I think RSO is probably mafia from that vote. I think there's 2/3 in that list, probably 1 in MM/Onegu/Lurker or some shit.
    But Superbia never provided a read on Alakaslam before this. If he is confident in Alakaslam being town, wouldn't that have helped him decide his vote sooner than four minutes before End of Day? And wouldn't that have been mentioned in his post where he explained his vote? The only town explanation for this is that Superbia figured out Alakaslam's alignment using something that happened between his vote and the time of this post, right after the flip. Prphlz flipping town makes Alakaslam look worse, if anything, so that leaves rsoultin's vote switch. The argument that Superbia is using is that rsoultin's vote switch from Alakaslam to prphlz shows that both of them are scum. I will discuss this argument next, but other than this argument, Superbia's sudden town read on Alakaslam is absolutely senseless.

    Superbia's reasoning for rsoultin being scum is as follows. Mafia!rsoultin led a lynch on town!Alakaslam and then switched to town!prphlz at the last second. The reason for this switch would be to avoid the blame for the mislynch, having pushed the other wagon, and then push the original wagon for a mislynch the next day. The first part of this reason is nonsense, as switching votes to hammer a town player always leaves you to blame for the mislynch, even if you were supporting the other wagon all the time. The second part of this reason is also nonsense, as scum could simply push the unlynched wagon for a mislynch the next day as well. Note that Superbia was very supportive of the vote switch that rsoultin did ("Vote for prphlz or claim scum"), but immediately scumread her for doing so.
    On March 04 2015 13:02 Superbia wrote:
    Like here's what you're believing:

    - Mafia slam did not vote to save himself.
    EITHER:
    - Mafia was willing to bus slam d1.
    - OR mafia switched to prp wagon to save slam.

    The first makes zero sense because the scumreads on Slam were weak as fuck. Like Ritoky had essentially 0 reads. His reason for voting slam was "because he looked as his filter and was like 'is this all?'". REALLY??
    The second doesn't line up with a mafia agenda because why the fuck would slam leave it to his mafia partners to save him when he could've done that himself by voting on prp. Literally the dumbest thing ever which reveals intermafia connections. NOT ONLY THAT. Most of the votes on slam were incredibly town. You were asked to point out two of the mafia on prp. You pointed out me and MM. You completely neglected Snickers for no good reason. Just checked your filter. You were very iffy on snickers earlier during the day. That completely evaporated after trfl tried to push on him for absolutely. Moreover, the fact that there was no doubt from you on robik or snickers, people voting on prp and off slam (mafia in your world) is ridiculous.

    Vigi, I've done your work. Easy hit.
    This is a very interesting post. Superbia says that the reasoning for scumreading Alakaslam was weak. He didn't say this earlier, before the lynch. Then, he says that most of the votes on Alakaslam were incredibly town. Remember earlier when he referenced questionable votes on the Alakaslam wagon as a reason for voting for prphlz? Superbia is saying that the Alakaslam wagon was based on horrible reasons, and pushed by a mafia player, while having half of the people on it being decently scummy (and overall scummier than the prphlz wagon), but still with most of the people on the wagon being incredibly town.

  • Superbia's play since End of Day was extremely defensive (while avoiding mentioning himself)
    + Show Spoiler +
    If Superbia is mafia, he knew that Alakaslam getting hit by a vigilante would be extremely bad for him. Remember that he told the vigilante to shoot rsoultin. Then a few posts later, he added that the cop should be on ritoky. This almost feels like he was trying to throw off the vigilante, and then added the cop comment as a tag-along to avoid it looking suspicious.

    Superbia has stated very clearly that he thinks that Alakaslam was bussed. I don't need to provide quotes of this. But he is basically defending his own vote without saying that he is defending himself.

    On March 05 2015 12:20 Superbia wrote:
    It's fine trfl, you're town. You should direct and shit if you want to. Let the questionable people talk more, however.
    This sentence seems fine at first, but then I remembered that I said this:
    On March 05 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:
    By the way, I'm the vigilante.

    Thanks to rsoultin and ritoky for the read.

    Superbia, screw you.
    Maybe there is a reason that Superbia wants to keep me from sharing reads a lot? And maybe it's because was suspicious of him?

    In addition, Superbia frequently apologizes for his play. I don't think I need to provide quotes of this either, but it feels more suspicious to me.
In conclusion, I'm not certain of Superbia's being scum, but I do feel that it is fairly likely. It would be much appreciated if someone (particularly Superbia) would show me where I am wrong in this assessment.
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