Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia

On March 06 2015 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
still townnnn

On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia!

On March 06 2015 08:03 GlowingBear wrote:


^ not interesting

On March 06 2015 08:03 captain fail wrote:
Why is that interesting.

Will you join me on this hf attack force

On March 06 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you believe Holyflare is town or still town?

On March 06 2015 08:08 GlowingBear wrote:


I find it cute
Is he a smurf?

On March 06 2015 08:13 captain fail wrote:
Hf is arguably the best player in thread and loves the attention an attack gives. We must vet him

However sirens response is bad

On March 06 2015 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Soren what's your actual intention behind the posts you have made?
I mean the posts from "interesting" to the post where you say you have no idea what Holyflare's alignment is?

On March 06 2015 08:37 _Tormented_ wrote:


Did you you vote him for this reason alone? o.O

On March 06 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:


Hm. This is bad.

Why voting me at all in the first place?
You're also showing you have some knowledge in Mafia, which contradicts the "I am newbie" statement

On March 06 2015 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yes we actually try to find mafia.

On March 06 2015 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:


This is bullshit

It's a standard opening. You can simply call it null indicative.

It makes no sense to like HF's entrance claiming town and don't like my entrance saying I'm Mafia.

Like, the game isn't that simple.

On March 06 2015 09:53 _Tormented_ wrote:


As I learned last game, they use previous game meta and pressuring people to figure out who to vote for D1. At least that is what I picked up from last game. In practice, it looks like the odds are still high we will lynch a town D1, but we will gain a lot of helpful information for D2 and onward. Ie. We were able to lynch mafia D2 with pretty much certainty because of D1 discussion.

On March 06 2015 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

By taking the game semi-seriously and then someone says something that interests other people and then people talk about it which leads to other things and then we talk about them. Like we have been talking about you. At some point you can tell who is presenting genuine thoughts and who is not.

Like, do you believe captain fail REALLY believes Tormented is town because "mindmeld", when Tormented made a same post he did after 17 minutes? Do you think it is a genuine thought that the most reasonable explanation is that Tormented is in fact town for it? Why does he not consider the possibility of Tormented wanting to lick his ass by "making similar points he does"?

For me it is a HUUUGE red mark when someone says exactly what i have said before instead of "yeah i agree with rayn". Because that is actually contributing without bringing anything new to the table.

On March 06 2015 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote:

This is a really good post by rayn and confirms him as town for D1 for me. Any questions?

On March 07 2015 03:18 IAmRobik wrote:

I'll take 10-18 you take the rest and we summarize?

On March 07 2015 03:20 IAmRobik wrote:

Oh...feel free to summarize for me then. I'm feeling mighty lazy.

On March 06 2015 14:27 Holyflare wrote:


he's certain mafia though!






much fake progression! has a newbie town read on soren based on silly things he shouldn't be town read on (even though I pointed out that he shouldn't be town reading him) then gets mad that he's making newbie town mistakes (even if he's said he's played some mafia elsewhere the rng day 1 comment and that above quote should be more than enough reason to realise he's still just a newbie) and that reaction was so ott!

On March 06 2015 14:36 yamato77 wrote:

yeah sure

On March 06 2015 15:45 Holyflare wrote:


0 other people are mafia, this guy is 100% mafia! If the mafia team was 1 person it would be this guy! Seeing as the mafia team is 3(?) then he's 3x mafia

On March 07 2015 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why does your stance differ from the last time you commented on this?

On March 07 2015 03:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Town claim (nsfw):

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it's a town claim because i'd never do it as mafia...or never have done it as mafia...and this time is no exception

On March 08 2015 00:00 your mom wrote:
Actually played some other game with friends instead of rereading the whole game, but while doing that at least for D1 start and Soren's filter I got a new impression of Soren, a mafiaish one I didn't notice at first read of D1 start. Anyway I'm not willing to give him a newbie BotD for the stuff to follow.

I'll try to make the case nice and formatted so you don't have to read everything, or everything at once to be convinced.

# Series 1

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So this series of posts gives me the feels that he's trying to make his posts appear more important than they actually are.

1. Him finding HF's post interesting is one example of that, but has no influence on his reads.
   
2. Him not liking GB writing that suggests he finds it dramatic, but it really isn't. He doesn't scumread GB at all afterwards.
   
3. Glowingbear makes a cool move in this regard and doesn't go into that comment about himself, instead challenges Soren on his HF post. All Soren thinks of is to ask him "why", even though he just claimed to not like his post. So pretty underwhelming post in the moment he has the chance to interact more with his suspect. Instead he takes a passive, defensive stance and limits himself to a question.
   
4. When CF asks him why it's interesting, he gives somewhat a satisfying answer at glance, so I'll just conclude that HF sits null. But that kinda makes the whole interesting thing uninteresting, so I have to guess that he just posted it for the sake of posting something and make it appear important in a stage where everyone else was waaaay less serious. Also he sees the vote on HF excessively serious, which is mafiaish on page 1.
   

# Series 2

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1. The first thing I think of when he says that "mafia wouldn't put so much spotlight on them" is him saying he doesn't like GB for saying he's mafia. Of the two between HF and GB, who do you think attempted harder to put the spotlight onto himself? Right. And who gets scum- and who gets townread? Right. In the later part of his post he focuses on the amount of n's and then invalidates his own reasoning by saying he might be reading too much into it. So that's sort of wishy washy and the n's are absolutely irrelevant.
   
2. GB pokes at him saying he finds him cute. Again just a passive response to the guy he claimed to not like, and who has challenged him twice already.
   
3. He asks a rather pointless question about HF's meta, although this is my opinion. It just fits into the general feeling that this guy doesn't manage to pay attention to the "right" things. Again he replies in a defensive way after being asked something.
   
4. Rayn asks him a good question, gets answered with some generic stuff
   

Tone readish I would say that this guy is stiff as a broomstick and never lashes out at people. And when people he should be lashing out to lash out at him, he takes on a defensive stance.

Enough tryharding for now. I think the next posts are how he complains about thread size, talks about mechanics. GB pokes at him again and gets another defensive response etc. Read my stuff then read him, it's not really much to read. If it doesn't convince you I'll go on with my impressions. If he's newb, he's mafia newb and not town newb in my opinion.

On March 08 2015 02:00 GlowingBear wrote:
lol Soren, you're following the thread but not contributing at all

On March 08 2015 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Fine. This is a reasonable argument.

Soren please what games are yiu in atm?
Links to games please.

On March 08 2015 06:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
soren whats your top 3 anime?

On March 08 2015 06:25 MysteryMeat1 wrote:


I just want to be friends

On March 08 2015 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
Your mom is definitely town. Vote torment...

On March 08 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
Said it during the game. No idea what he's thinking, given town reads and stopped votes on people for no reason (ie my gb vote)

On March 08 2015 07:20 captain fail wrote:
VE is a likely scum in this game, there are several red flags that have popped out to me some of them are meta based and some of them come from the game itself.

Meta wise the thing that VE does more than anything is he town hunts early in the game from my experience. He finds his town circle or people he thinks are town and goes about the game using a rough form of POE to shape where he wants to lynch, and a good portion of the time this makes him look extremely towny and puts him in the middle of many discussions.

However if you read his filter here, you find that the only real town hunting he has done is town read rayn really early and not much else has been done in that regard, you see that he attacked MM early and it seemed to be sincere in that he wanted people to vote for him. That part is not alignment indicative granted, but past that point VE makes little attempt to interact with a lot of people and has little to no town reads in the game.

This brings me to VE list of possible scum and town reads that he has presented to us,



This is a very strange list, firstly Rayn has been townread since VEs second or third post and it is documented in the thread. A quick scan of VE filter you will find the only interaction that VE has had with Yamato has been to ask him to play league with him, and this is the first time that we see Yamato in his town circle never a mention of him before this or after this (besides the aforementioned league game).

This also brings us to tormented which is a interesting read, I have it myself for meta reasons but he has fallen off quite hard since then and i'm not so sure anymore. However VE has only had one interaction with tormented and that was to tell him to vote MM. Tormented has yet to comment back, VE has these unexplained town reads that make little to no sense in the context of his filter or the thread.

He is also not seeming to scum hunt past a certain point, he is voting Kel currently because of OMGUS and is admitted so. However he hasn't really tried to interact with people to try to figure out their alignments be it town or scum, he has this

To sum this up, VE is using a vastly different method in which he seems rather distant from the thread to figure out scum, his town reads are pretty much unexplained in the thread no reasoning is shown. Some of them are really strange, his scum reads show no real pressure put to them and VE is happy to just blend his vote in while not being called out for it.

He is most likely scum.

On March 08 2015 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nope, town. Your whole case is bad. I have reasoning for thinking yamato is town, I have reasoning for thinking Tormented is town, and I'm voting Kel because he disappeared after his case on me, not because he made a case on me. Nice try though bud. All of your points trashed in one succinct paragraph.

On March 08 2015 07:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

Well then ask rather than just say I don't give a shit or am lazy. I have reasoning that I haven't put in the thread for all of my reads.

Rayn is town for consistently being in the thread posting about the game in a way that makes me think he doesn't have all the information. That makes me town on rayn. The first post made me think he's town, but his posting since has PROVEN to me that he's town.

MM1 is still scummy to me, and I can still vote for that guy.

I voted for Kelsier because his case on me was terrible and because rather than try and get me lynched he just peaced out. He's not interested in lynching me, he's interested in being seen trying to lynch me. That's suspicious to me.

I can see why you'd WANT to find me suspicious for these things, but frankly no, the things you mention don't make me or anyone mafia. You're just mentioning things you don't like about my play.

On March 08 2015 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

If you can't be bothered to go look through the thread for my reasoning than I can't be bothered to coddle you here now.

On March 08 2015 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

I've given reasons on MM1. He was interested in coming in and bullshitting with the thread as his entrance, but then fucked off and didn't do anything else. And when he DOES come back he's got a townread on me? Someone who was mafia reading him for (what should be, if he's town) shitty reasons? It just doesn't make sense from a town perspective, and he's been a complete non-presence to boot.

On March 08 2015 07:41 captain fail wrote:
MM is looking decent today actually, I've never seen scum MM but hes pretty heavy lynchbait (no offense).

Soren did you find the reasoning VE used to townread tormented yet?

Also Kel isn't mafia because of activity. If you look at his other games, hes a bit posty as mafia in the few games I've seen. Besides when he got hospitalized obviously, I don't think this is his scum game if it is something probably happened to him or something idk.

On March 08 2015 07:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Soren, who are you voting?

On March 08 2015 07:46 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Like i'm pretty alright with soren being the lynch today, he may be new to tl, but he's played at least 3 games of forum mafia.

On March 08 2015 07:48 GlowingBear wrote:


Ok

I've decided

You're the lynch

I'm sorry if you're town, but you're not taking stances, specially this close to deadline

On March 08 2015 07:52 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
You've only been superficially keepign up with the game and even though you've been positng regularly there hasn't been a whole ton of substance.

People were giving you the benefit of the doubt because you were a newer player, but You've played 4x more games of mafia than I have.

On March 08 2015 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:


But Soren has been here all day long and only responding when someone brings his name up and you know this is a scummy lurker behaviour

On March 08 2015 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:


This was badly worded.

Why would your mom bus a partner when he could have voted for a possible mislynch, using the excuse he was voting for someone he had a huge case on?

On March 09 2015 04:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Soren was very wishy washy and he voted Kelsier for survivability. He was considering voting Robik before he was mod killed.
I could easily see him in a team with holyflare if Damdred isn't mafia

On March 09 2015 04:25 Damdred wrote:
I can just like I could see Sl bussing gd and I just looked through soren filter there's not much reasoning there IDK what you are seeing around when he votes

On March 09 2015 05:45 GlowingBear wrote:
LOL HF YOU'RE SO MAFIA THAT MY EYES ARE BLEEDING

On March 09 2015 07:16 Soren333 wrote:
My town reads are:
Ray
VE
Your mom

Scum read:
MM1

On March 09 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As to answer to both GB and YM:

First of all there is no way mafia intentionally no-killed.
It was 8-2 at the start of the night. Anyone with any brain and experience sends in a pre-emptive kill just because if they do not and something goes wrong IRL it is not guaranteed they get a kill at all. No kill gives town one more mislynch considering Torment was quite likely to be shot. You are already one down, another one goes too most likely. Then you what? Give town a free mislynch and a cop check? lol.

Torment obviously was not here on N1. That leaves me yamato and Mocsta for other people who were not here, and therefore could be mafia for the no-kill. I am more sure of Mocsta being town on them, while they both voted for mafia (lol) yamato would only be soft-bussing. Mocsta has to know when i am pushing my lynch there is a quite high chance of it getting through. yamato was also one of the Robik voters.

Other people who could possibly be mafia are MM1 and Soren. Just because there was a confusion about the deadline and i do not think any other people than those two would hold on to the last minute in case Torment comes back to discuss their kill (srsly, would you wait for Torment if you were mafia with him? right ^^). Out of those two i think Soren is town for the reasons i have outlined. So MM1 is possible scum here.

I'd say yamato or MM1 is 90% likely mafia.
If they both flip town lynch Mocsta.
If the game still does not end lynch Soren.
Funny thing is we can do this all because we have 3 mislynches.

Just for caution, i'd still check Holyflare haha ^^

On March 09 2015 20:50 Holyflare wrote:


hope you play more here