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On March 09 2015 04:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 04:25 Holyflare wrote:On March 09 2015 04:24 GlowingBear wrote: Soren was very wishy washy and he voted Kelsier for survivability. He was considering voting Robik before he was mod killed. I could easily see him in a team with holyflare if Damdred isn't mafia this is bs because if damdred isn't mafia (he is) then torment is 1000000% mafia for what i pointed out yesterday and you completely ignored I forget things Refresh my mind Funny thing that you are so sure of Damdred being Mafia but ignoring my point on Soren
Read this. Learn to play and go away.
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On March 09 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: Gb just stfu i asked the cop to check me too. You're conveniently ignoring that fact too.
Don't force me into writing the biggest case in my whole life.
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On March 09 2015 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote: I said it's not in the realm of impossible because you tried to relate his alignment to mine like an idiot. Now I've brought up another target that is very likely mafia and your first reaction is that I'm mafia. It doesn't make any sense. Mechanics usually randomise Mafia kp when there is no action taken from scum. Which is another argument that implies scum deliberately skipped night kill. So you can get Yamato and Mocsta dead.
Never have i EVER in 30 games of mafia seen a nk randomised when not submitted.
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On March 09 2015 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: Gb just stfu i asked the cop to check me too. You're conveniently ignoring that fact too. Don't force me into writing the biggest case in my whole life.
Do it I'm happy with you just afk writing nonsense rather than actually typing here instead.
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On March 09 2015 07:54 your mom wrote: Anyway I'm challenging you on this HF. I bet yamato isn't scum.
Yeh he might not be i had the same qualms with mocsta too.
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On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now.
On March 07 2015 23:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. yeah, potentially scummy. Hasnt gone out of his way to offer information to the thread i dont know where he stands on items. like.. i cant remember the thread convo, but the comment below about soren seems out of place in a filter dive. Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 14:21 Holyflare wrote: why is nobody voting gb? he's obvious mafia at this point in time Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 14:23 _Tormented_ wrote: He may very well be, but training anyone at this time unless we are certain they are scum will just limit our information going forward. If he is mafia, do you think that makes soren town for sure? tl;dr if i had to make a point against tormented, it is that his filter feigns real contribution. draws superficial points, and then asks questions back to the thread for others to fill the gap. as evidenced below Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 04:16 _Tormented_ wrote: Wow that was a lot.....So basically we are looking at GB and Kelsier mainly?
I still read GB as leaning town, although I would be interested see why he thinks Robik is mafia. Robik has done pretty much nothing so far, so unless it is something meta, I would like to see GB's reasons for this.
Kelsier seemed a bit overly aggressive in his mafia reads on VE and captain fail. Would drawing that much attention to yourself after coming into the thread late be something mafia would do? i suppose its interesting why tormented wants to know about robik as well given: GB is leaning town & Robik has done "nothing" what will GB reasoning illuminate?
On March 08 2015 00:45 Mocsta wrote: lol... i had to type it out and then realied.
he saysing mafia dont want spotlight, hence, you shouldnt be mafia.
yeah, aftger rereading his reponse about hf being town or not... its valid. trying to appease rayn and give out as little as possible.
i can swing this way. happy to vote between kelsier or soren.
Here, one of the reasons Moc is mafia, he doesn't consider Torm for lynch. Plus the awful entrance. Plus he tries really hard to mimic town opinion in order to survive.
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As to answer to both GB and YM:
First of all there is no way mafia intentionally no-killed. It was 8-2 at the start of the night. Anyone with any brain and experience sends in a pre-emptive kill just because if they do not and something goes wrong IRL it is not guaranteed they get a kill at all. No kill gives town one more mislynch considering Torment was quite likely to be shot. You are already one down, another one goes too most likely. Then you what? Give town a free mislynch and a cop check? lol.
Torment obviously was not here on N1. That leaves me yamato and Mocsta for other people who were not here, and therefore could be mafia for the no-kill. I am more sure of Mocsta being town on them, while they both voted for mafia (lol) yamato would only be soft-bussing. Mocsta has to know when i am pushing my lynch there is a quite high chance of it getting through. yamato was also one of the Robik voters.
Other people who could possibly be mafia are MM1 and Soren. Just because there was a confusion about the deadline and i do not think any other people than those two would hold on to the last minute in case Torment comes back to discuss their kill (srsly, would you wait for Torment if you were mafia with him? right ^^). Out of those two i think Soren is town for the reasons i have outlined. So MM1 is possible scum here.
I'd say yamato or MM1 is 90% likely mafia. If they both flip town lynch Mocsta. If the game still does not end lynch Soren. Funny thing is we can do this all because we have 3 mislynches. 
Just for caution, i'd still check Holyflare haha ^^
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On March 09 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:On March 09 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote: I said it's not in the realm of impossible because you tried to relate his alignment to mine like an idiot. Now I've brought up another target that is very likely mafia and your first reaction is that I'm mafia. It doesn't make any sense. Mechanics usually randomise Mafia kp when there is no action taken from scum. Which is another argument that implies scum deliberately skipped night kill. So you can get Yamato and Mocsta dead. Never have i EVER in 30 games of mafia seen a nk randomised when not submitted.
I've never seen a scum not submitting a night kill either But I have seen OP's stating they are randomised
Of course hosts will not clarify this for us now since this is game changing information.
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On March 09 2015 07:58 your mom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:44 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. yeah, potentially scummy. Hasnt gone out of his way to offer information to the thread i dont know where he stands on items. like.. i cant remember the thread convo, but the comment below about soren seems out of place in a filter dive. On March 06 2015 14:21 Holyflare wrote: why is nobody voting gb? he's obvious mafia at this point in time On March 06 2015 14:23 _Tormented_ wrote: He may very well be, but training anyone at this time unless we are certain they are scum will just limit our information going forward. If he is mafia, do you think that makes soren town for sure? tl;dr if i had to make a point against tormented, it is that his filter feigns real contribution. draws superficial points, and then asks questions back to the thread for others to fill the gap. as evidenced below On March 07 2015 04:16 _Tormented_ wrote: Wow that was a lot.....So basically we are looking at GB and Kelsier mainly?
I still read GB as leaning town, although I would be interested see why he thinks Robik is mafia. Robik has done pretty much nothing so far, so unless it is something meta, I would like to see GB's reasons for this.
Kelsier seemed a bit overly aggressive in his mafia reads on VE and captain fail. Would drawing that much attention to yourself after coming into the thread late be something mafia would do? i suppose its interesting why tormented wants to know about robik as well given: GB is leaning town & Robik has done "nothing" what will GB reasoning illuminate? Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 00:45 Mocsta wrote: lol... i had to type it out and then realied.
he saysing mafia dont want spotlight, hence, you shouldnt be mafia.
yeah, aftger rereading his reponse about hf being town or not... its valid. trying to appease rayn and give out as little as possible.
i can swing this way. happy to vote between kelsier or soren. Here, one of the reasons Moc is mafia, he doesn't consider Torm for lynch. Plus the awful entrance. Plus he tries really hard to mimic town opinion in order to survive. Am i mafia too because i didn't consider Torment for lynch? Mocsta voted Kelsier with me....
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On March 09 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 07:58 your mom wrote:On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. On March 07 2015 23:44 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. yeah, potentially scummy. Hasnt gone out of his way to offer information to the thread i dont know where he stands on items. like.. i cant remember the thread convo, but the comment below about soren seems out of place in a filter dive. On March 06 2015 14:21 Holyflare wrote: why is nobody voting gb? he's obvious mafia at this point in time On March 06 2015 14:23 _Tormented_ wrote: He may very well be, but training anyone at this time unless we are certain they are scum will just limit our information going forward. If he is mafia, do you think that makes soren town for sure? tl;dr if i had to make a point against tormented, it is that his filter feigns real contribution. draws superficial points, and then asks questions back to the thread for others to fill the gap. as evidenced below On March 07 2015 04:16 _Tormented_ wrote: Wow that was a lot.....So basically we are looking at GB and Kelsier mainly?
I still read GB as leaning town, although I would be interested see why he thinks Robik is mafia. Robik has done pretty much nothing so far, so unless it is something meta, I would like to see GB's reasons for this.
Kelsier seemed a bit overly aggressive in his mafia reads on VE and captain fail. Would drawing that much attention to yourself after coming into the thread late be something mafia would do? i suppose its interesting why tormented wants to know about robik as well given: GB is leaning town & Robik has done "nothing" what will GB reasoning illuminate? On March 08 2015 00:45 Mocsta wrote: lol... i had to type it out and then realied.
he saysing mafia dont want spotlight, hence, you shouldnt be mafia.
yeah, aftger rereading his reponse about hf being town or not... its valid. trying to appease rayn and give out as little as possible.
i can swing this way. happy to vote between kelsier or soren. Here, one of the reasons Moc is mafia, he doesn't consider Torm for lynch. Plus the awful entrance. Plus he tries really hard to mimic town opinion in order to survive. Am i mafia too because i didn't consider Torment for lynch? Mocsta voted Kelsier with me....
Moc generally buddied the fuck out of you, be careful for what reason you give him a pass. You two are like Sandro and Syllo so just think about this: If he wanted to survive, would he better be off going against you or with you?
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Also you are comparing apples with pears. I don't remember you calling Torment potential scum like Moc did?
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Me h i do not agree that's a good reason to call Mocsta mafia. If there is anything that makes him mafia it's his absence on N1 and a no-kill happening.
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On March 09 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:As to answer to both GB and YM: First of all there is no way mafia intentionally no-killed. It was 8-2 at the start of the night. Anyone with any brain and experience sends in a pre-emptive kill just because if they do not and something goes wrong IRL it is not guaranteed they get a kill at all. No kill gives town one more mislynch considering Torment was quite likely to be shot. You are already one down, another one goes too most likely. Then you what? Give town a free mislynch and a cop check? lol. Torment obviously was not here on N1. That leaves me yamato and Mocsta for other people who were not here, and therefore could be mafia for the no-kill. I am more sure of Mocsta being town on them, while they both voted for mafia (lol) yamato would only be soft-bussing. Mocsta has to know when i am pushing my lynch there is a quite high chance of it getting through. yamato was also one of the Robik voters. Other people who could possibly be mafia are MM1 and Soren. Just because there was a confusion about the deadline and i do not think any other people than those two would hold on to the last minute in case Torment comes back to discuss their kill (srsly, would you wait for Torment if you were mafia with him? right ^^). Out of those two i think Soren is town for the reasons i have outlined. So MM1 is possible scum here. I'd say yamato or MM1 is 90% likely mafia. If they both flip town lynch Mocsta. If the game still does not end lynch Soren. Funny thing is we can do this all because we have 3 mislynches.  Just for caution, i'd still check Holyflare haha ^^
For the record. If I was mafia I would be able to make my own decision on who to kill, rather than to wait for torment to come online to discuss.
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MM1 was active. Only inactives were Yamato and Mocsta.
As Mocsta voted for Kelsier, I'd rather believe Yamato could be Mafia.
You are right, though. Lynching Yamato and checking HF is the best option. Let's do this today.
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Like i don't get why he calls Tormented mafia if he doesn't wanna bus him but his other partner? Like throw the whole fucking team under the bus at the same time? Do you think Mocsta is this dumb?
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On March 09 2015 08:04 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:As to answer to both GB and YM: First of all there is no way mafia intentionally no-killed. It was 8-2 at the start of the night. Anyone with any brain and experience sends in a pre-emptive kill just because if they do not and something goes wrong IRL it is not guaranteed they get a kill at all. No kill gives town one more mislynch considering Torment was quite likely to be shot. You are already one down, another one goes too most likely. Then you what? Give town a free mislynch and a cop check? lol. Torment obviously was not here on N1. That leaves me yamato and Mocsta for other people who were not here, and therefore could be mafia for the no-kill. I am more sure of Mocsta being town on them, while they both voted for mafia (lol) yamato would only be soft-bussing. Mocsta has to know when i am pushing my lynch there is a quite high chance of it getting through. yamato was also one of the Robik voters. Other people who could possibly be mafia are MM1 and Soren. Just because there was a confusion about the deadline and i do not think any other people than those two would hold on to the last minute in case Torment comes back to discuss their kill (srsly, would you wait for Torment if you were mafia with him? right ^^). Out of those two i think Soren is town for the reasons i have outlined. So MM1 is possible scum here. I'd say yamato or MM1 is 90% likely mafia. If they both flip town lynch Mocsta. If the game still does not end lynch Soren. Funny thing is we can do this all because we have 3 mislynches.  Just for caution, i'd still check Holyflare haha ^^ For the record. If I was mafia I would be able to make my own decision on who to kill, rather than to wait for torment to come online to discuss. I do not doubt that more than just a little, i just don't have enough experience with you to make a 100% claim.
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On March 09 2015 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i don't get why he calls Tormented mafia if he doesn't wanna bus him but his other partner? Like throw the whole fucking team under the bus at the same time? Do you think Mocsta is this dumb?
Not dumb but possibly frustrated with the "matchmaking".
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On March 09 2015 08:04 GlowingBear wrote: MM1 was active. Only inactives were Yamato and Mocsta.
I was saying i could see MM1 trying to wait Torment to come back at the last hour of the phase before making a decision, then the deadline just fucked up on him .
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However, I'm sure scum night kill was skipped. It was so town would make a list of inactives and lose the game lynching them. You give town one more mislynch but absolutely wins the game. Seems a fair trade to me.
I'll write a case on HF and let you think what you want.
We have very good information to work out a Mafia team.
Bye bye. I'll see you soon.
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On March 09 2015 08:07 your mom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i don't get why he calls Tormented mafia if he doesn't wanna bus him but his other partner? Like throw the whole fucking team under the bus at the same time? Do you think Mocsta is this dumb? Not dumb but possibly frustrated with the "matchmaking". Or then he is just town and has decent reads?
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