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captain fail
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VisceraEyes
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Soren333
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On March 08 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote: Said it during the game. No idea what he's thinking, given town reads and stopped votes on people for no reason (ie my gb vote) And that's your strongest scum read so far? | ||
GlowingBear
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On March 08 2015 07:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand why GB says I'm disinterested, I'm plenty interested. I just don't necessarily feel inclined to alter the direction of the thread as the person I'd like to see lynched is being lynched. What's the issue? VE, I have no idea what your reads are and you're voting Kelsier with Rayn when Rayn's argument was already debunked. If you're not disinterested than you're mafia. | ||
GlowingBear
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What about Yamato? | ||
VisceraEyes
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On March 08 2015 07:10 GlowingBear wrote: VE, I have no idea what your reads are and you're voting Kelsier with Rayn when Rayn's argument was already debunked. If you're not disinterested than you're mafia. See but this is wrong. I'm interested and I'm town. And you do know my reads, they're explicit in the thread. So that's wrong too. I think you just WANT to read me mafia. Why do you want to read me mafia? | ||
Holyflare
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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What's going on here? | ||
VisceraEyes
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captain fail
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Meta wise the thing that VE does more than anything is he town hunts early in the game from my experience. He finds his town circle or people he thinks are town and goes about the game using a rough form of POE to shape where he wants to lynch, and a good portion of the time this makes him look extremely towny and puts him in the middle of many discussions. However if you read his filter here, you find that the only real town hunting he has done is town read rayn really early and not much else has been done in that regard, you see that he attacked MM early and it seemed to be sincere in that he wanted people to vote for him. That part is not alignment indicative granted, but past that point VE makes little attempt to interact with a lot of people and has little to no town reads in the game. This brings me to VE list of possible scum and town reads that he has presented to us, On March 07 2015 17:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeeeahhhh. I think I'm right about here... VisceraEyes Confirmed raynpelikoneet yamato77 _Tormented_ your mom soren333 IAmRobik Holyflare Obligitory Hard Null captain fail Mocsta GlowingBear MysteryMeat1 KelsierSC OMGUS Good night! This is a very strange list, firstly Rayn has been townread since VEs second or third post and it is documented in the thread. A quick scan of VE filter you will find the only interaction that VE has had with Yamato has been to ask him to play league with him, and this is the first time that we see Yamato in his town circle never a mention of him before this or after this (besides the aforementioned league game). This also brings us to tormented which is a interesting read, I have it myself for meta reasons but he has fallen off quite hard since then and i'm not so sure anymore. However VE has only had one interaction with tormented and that was to tell him to vote MM. Tormented has yet to comment back, VE has these unexplained town reads that make little to no sense in the context of his filter or the thread. He is also not seeming to scum hunt past a certain point, he is voting Kel currently because of OMGUS and is admitted so. However he hasn't really tried to interact with people to try to figure out their alignments be it town or scum, he has this To sum this up, VE is using a vastly different method in which he seems rather distant from the thread to figure out scum, his town reads are pretty much unexplained in the thread no reasoning is shown. Some of them are really strange, his scum reads show no real pressure put to them and VE is happy to just blend his vote in while not being called out for it. He is most likely scum. | ||
GlowingBear
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On March 08 2015 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: See but this is wrong. I'm interested and I'm town. And you do know my reads, they're explicit in the thread. So that's wrong too. I think you just WANT to read me mafia. Why do you want to read me mafia? I do not want to read you as Mafia. I want to know your alignment. And you're not helping me. Why would I ever WANT to read you as Mafia? See, all I know from you is that you think Rayn is town for one single post, that MM1 was dripping scum but easily changed your vote because of a mock case holyflare made on me (by the way, it is weird that he isn't on your skin for that), then you sheeped Rayn for a faulty case he has made on Kelsier and did not try AT ALL to reevaluate that. You can understand why I find this AT LEAST suspicious, right? | ||
captain fail
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VisceraEyes
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Soren333
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On March 08 2015 07:20 captain fail wrote: VE is a likely scum in this game, there are several red flags that have popped out to me some of them are meta based and some of them come from the game itself. Meta wise the thing that VE does more than anything is he town hunts early in the game from my experience. He finds his town circle or people he thinks are town and goes about the game using a rough form of POE to shape where he wants to lynch, and a good portion of the time this makes him look extremely towny and puts him in the middle of many discussions. However if you read his filter here, you find that the only real town hunting he has done is town read rayn really early and not much else has been done in that regard, you see that he attacked MM early and it seemed to be sincere in that he wanted people to vote for him. That part is not alignment indicative granted, but past that point VE makes little attempt to interact with a lot of people and has little to no town reads in the game. This brings me to VE list of possible scum and town reads that he has presented to us, This is a very strange list, firstly Rayn has been townread since VEs second or third post and it is documented in the thread. A quick scan of VE filter you will find the only interaction that VE has had with Yamato has been to ask him to play league with him, and this is the first time that we see Yamato in his town circle never a mention of him before this or after this (besides the aforementioned league game). This also brings us to tormented which is a interesting read, I have it myself for meta reasons but he has fallen off quite hard since then and i'm not so sure anymore. However VE has only had one interaction with tormented and that was to tell him to vote MM. Tormented has yet to comment back, VE has these unexplained town reads that make little to no sense in the context of his filter or the thread. He is also not seeming to scum hunt past a certain point, he is voting Kel currently because of OMGUS and is admitted so. However he hasn't really tried to interact with people to try to figure out their alignments be it town or scum, he has this To sum this up, VE is using a vastly different method in which he seems rather distant from the thread to figure out scum, his town reads are pretty much unexplained in the thread no reasoning is shown. Some of them are really strange, his scum reads show no real pressure put to them and VE is happy to just blend his vote in while not being called out for it. He is most likely scum. I agree. Unexplained list of town and scum on top of a omgus vote is scummy. It's like he posted the list to appear as though he is contributing, but it is unexplained. Maybe he explained it elsewhere but I'm not bothered to look for it. | ||
VisceraEyes
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On March 08 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote: I do not want to read you as Mafia. I want to know your alignment. And you're not helping me. Why would I ever WANT to read you as Mafia? See, all I know from you is that you think Rayn is town for one single post, that MM1 was dripping scum but easily changed your vote because of a mock case holyflare made on me (by the way, it is weird that he isn't on your skin for that), then you sheeped Rayn for a faulty case he has made on Kelsier and did not try AT ALL to reevaluate that. You can understand why I find this AT LEAST suspicious, right? Well then ask rather than just say I don't give a shit or am lazy. I have reasoning that I haven't put in the thread for all of my reads. Rayn is town for consistently being in the thread posting about the game in a way that makes me think he doesn't have all the information. That makes me town on rayn. The first post made me think he's town, but his posting since has PROVEN to me that he's town. MM1 is still scummy to me, and I can still vote for that guy. I voted for Kelsier because his case on me was terrible and because rather than try and get me lynched he just peaced out. He's not interested in lynching me, he's interested in being seen trying to lynch me. That's suspicious to me. I can see why you'd WANT to find me suspicious for these things, but frankly no, the things you mention don't make me or anyone mafia. You're just mentioning things you don't like about my play. | ||
GlowingBear
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On March 08 2015 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Voting for Kels though, like the only reason you didn't is because he's modkill bait or something, at least that's what I can see in the thread. Are you here bro? Come talk to me instead of talking shit when you think I'm not around. You're wrong. I decided not to vote Kelsier because he defended me when thread sentiment was against me AND because he went against a strong/vocal player like you, when nobody had you on the line. This makes much more sense through a townie perspective than through a Mafia perspective. It was debunked by me and HF. The thing is that Rayn is not considering that Kelsier, when scumreading you, doesn't have to decide Rayn's alignment when analysing interaction between you two. I am not going to keep my vote on Kelsier. I'm deciding my vote between Soren and Tormented | ||
VisceraEyes
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captain fail
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GlowingBear
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On March 08 2015 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Nope, town. Your whole case is bad. I have reasoning for thinking yamato is town, I have reasoning for thinking Tormented is town, and I'm voting Kel because he disappeared after his case on me, not because he made a case on me. Nice try though bud. All of your points trashed in one succinct paragraph. Then you have to explain why aren't you voting Tormented or MM1, because they had very similar behaviours. | ||
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