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I am a relative newb expect little from me, except I rekt scum. Also rng is out the window, we lynch scum today | ||
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Why do you expect more when you don't know my experience for instance? Do you expect more because you know I'm town? Also I think scum lynch rate is in the 33 or so percent actually a tad higher than rng I believe... | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred what do you think of Probulous? He's interesting, his answers are okish. Him trying to jumpstart the game is good. He looks towny right now | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ok, I'm actually very curious if you have a read on me yet given our history. I also want to know what your favourite pancake topping is. I have a lean on your life. Blueberry | ||
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Really ask now. Also yam is good shot at...town. discuss while I'm gone | ||
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Also I wasn't in that game at that point. | ||
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Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough | ||
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Anyway I'll give Hts some more time but its a gut read on her so far. That's what he thinks of us | ||
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On February 24 2015 11:14 Damdred wrote: How is Eden having fun exactly Hts? Why do you say that? Also I wasn't in that game at that point. I'm glad I checked back in obviously still on phone so have to break it up. Obviously I did answer Hts question about Eden, that I wasn't in the game at the point of Eden being alive as I replaced in after he died. | ||
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I don't need to interact with someone to decide if they are scum or not. They just need to talk in the thread and I read filters and make cases I don't drop cases this early in the game just give gut or feel reads. Backing off of Hts is meh but she's not here. | ||
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though pr is most interesting person in the thread | ||
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But all we have here is that this Eden isn't spamming or trying to make plays like in horn of Africa mafia. Or that Hts calls Eden town but doesn't disagree with me that Eden is scum but still calls him town? Give me time to develop and figure things out instead of trying to get me to tip my hand. Peope don't have to talk to me but its still fun and I'm usually here talking anyway | ||
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Nor do I have a secret third scum read that I have in my back pocket. Before eod I'll see who I think is the best and try to get the person I want dead. Your right I don't have to bbut I find scum the way I want to which is dropping cases. Alzo he's doing the most work and is being interesting pitting himself out there | ||
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You are missing some of your carefree jumping everywhere and trying to make a play. Its not enough for a vote and its more of a gut meta read which is early indeed. | ||
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HTS followed imperial pretty intensely at points shadowing myself Artanis, Marv etc., the first thing that made me a bit meh was the town read that hts put on Artanis and then said that she could not recall imperial. While its understandable that with such a big game some things would be forgotten, however art is doing some of the same things here and tone reads him as town. A really odd post for me. Secondly the read on you Eden, I said I scum read you and did she disagree. She said no she didn't but still town read you for things you have done as scum. It was a odd post that gave me the shivers. Its on the weak side as HTS hasn't really been in the thread or as insightful as usual but its what it is. | ||
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Secondly, tormented came here from where I played previously the acclemation even to a newb game is difficult our day ones were generally filled with wayward voting and lack of any information so I'm trying to give him some time to find the pacing and develop things outside the first few hours. | ||
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There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town. HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts. So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things. | ||
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On February 24 2015 17:48 Node wrote: I have no issues with people backing off a read, but you can't keep saying you think people are "potential scum" or have said "questionable things" without actually putting some substance behind it. Make a case! Scum doesn't care about a few people maybe being iffy about them, they care about hard cases that put them in the spotlight. you seemingly haven't read the whole thread or only skimmed as I answered why I think both are scummy. This is interesting post | ||
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I want your opinion on tornak and nod currently, as both interest me. | ||
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You are however overly deffrnsive at this point so I suggest you calm down. Me telling you, you have not read the thread is obviously true when I've committed to several reads. The lack of quotes means nothing as I think all quotes does is cause people to be lazy in cases and only half read. | ||
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On February 25 2015 01:16 _Tormented_ wrote: I would like to see snarfs response to the vote first. why does this matter to your conclusion on node | ||
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Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum. Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information. | ||
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On February 25 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I displayed how his thought process is inconsistent. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective, newbie or not doesn't come into it. Comment on my case and I may let you know. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just saying that where he comes from its not that uncommon a thing to do and besides that pace is different and he's never been asked to hive reads on day one. So I'm a little hesitant | ||
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Do you have any thoughts on that? Or on anyone in the game that you have read up on. | ||
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You deserve heat kel. Give us more | ||
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. Any town reads kel | ||
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On February 25 2015 07:18 KelsierSC wrote: that post from node is really good he/she is town. You called node town but I ask why because he did x you said you Scum read tor for the sake thing. Ok asking why you are fixing someone a town read for the same thing you'd Scum read someone for | ||
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It's not that I don't think tormented could be mafia I have commitment issues and not sure if he's the right lynch yet. I'll think more oh it though. Ksc I see, but why does soneone automatically agreeing with your thought make them town? Especially with his lack of conclusion though I do think he's townish | ||
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Suddenly I want to lynch Eden.,, | ||
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You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc. You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred, why do you like Yamato? He has thoughts pushes thoughts, has a good prwacense in the thread | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote: you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that "picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish. I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between. Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games People can check out your filter and come to their own conclussions. I post my thoughts. And people can fact check you know that's how I work. Which makes this a super defensive post. Actually you do have to defend yourself and when you compare this tone wise length wise and content wise it's way different than your town. When I say wave took over you disappeared after I answered you. Your reads are lacking for you as kel pointed out though. | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:52 Eden1892 wrote: you caught a bad case of the dumbs this game restate your apparent case on me as concisely as you can and see if it still makes sense, because every time I attempt to reduce it to a consolidated form that I can respond to I don't understand it seems to be a bunch of stuff I can't even respond to, like alleged ties to HTS and tone reads, mixed with things that aren't alignment indicative (not giving superficial explanations for reads that I can do and have done as both alignments before; filter length being not as long as past town games, except the one I just got out of lol, even though I've actively made an effort not to post as much b/c it runs people out of games) Nope not dumb I've given you two posts that were concise and talked about your play here. You wanted us to look at your mafia games to compare here which isn't what we need to do, you lack follow up on a shot ton of things. I've pointed out several. You lack a clear push just settling on tormented even though you are clearly slumming hts slot. Which is possible to be mafia granted. And this isn't about some associative read with hts | ||
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You asked me questions I answered and you didn't really have much else to say basically null. You came back wanted to policy lynch ksc still think he's Scum I believe? | ||
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Nothing you wrote makes me scum at all, it only means you dislike hoe i do things or the way I'm trying to drive a conversations. Most of my cases and convincing usually occurs after filter diving and deciding who I want to lynch. You make it seem like I need to have everything figures out when we almost have a full day for things to develop. | ||
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I usually don't vote early or often | ||
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Probably wouldn't lynch Eden at this point. Tommorow I'll start looking at filters more and push something though there's a policy lynch on the board that is tempting in shining. | ||
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Tormented why are you so frustrated? | ||
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However tormenteds response is really interesting in a bad way. I actually think it males sn town trying to get discussion going on his case really weird post | ||
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However just without reading again his wanting people to look and comment is a towny thing to do to a point. Though out of all of that I'm surprised you didn't mention how this going after someone directly followed someone saying he wasn't doing that. Could be a coincidence or I'm paranoid but the timing is interesting | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:58 Tronak wrote: Not true, Kel is mentioned at the very start of my post, re-read it please. You have no conclusions about him just questioning edens choices. But he's your top two lynch | ||
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On February 25 2015 22:01 Damdred wrote: You have no conclusions about him just questioning edens choices. But he's your top two lynch would like a deeper explanation of this since you missed it. Also only got ticketed once and always quit posting now when i'm on the road | ||
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Shining Tronak Snarfs wave/kel/SL The fourth one has me a bit meh, maybe not kel i'm not sure. I just read snarfs filter and his read progression on node really bothers me, some real red flags there. Tronak why you keep ignoring me | ||
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Eden started playing and actually acting towny and his yelling at me sounded really to come from a genuine towny place, not many people following me, but eden really went head on at it which isn't really his scum game I think. really makes me not want to lynch him today. | ||
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On February 25 2015 23:11 Damdred wrote: would like a deeper explanation of this since you missed it. Also only got ticketed once and always quit posting now when i'm on the road i'll keep posting this till you answer probably | ||
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SL/Wave Sna lynch | ||
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Instead of going with the flow with the snarls case he also struck back fairly interestingly going against the grain, his intial post was meh, but his follow up explanation was pretty good to me, it make a lot of sense and you could see what he was saying. I don't want to lynch him | ||
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Yeah the case itself isn't bad, its made up of some weak points at this point in the thread though. Cases can grow or get weaker, and I think tis got weaker with torms continued play. | ||
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On February 26 2015 01:35 Tronak wrote: that doesnt make sense... Explain to me please, what does being anti town/mafia mean? does it mean my game is so bad that I could only cause confusion to both factions? so I should be a cheap lynch for the town in early days? and mafia will easy shoot me tomorrow? (why could both be "anti" at the same time?). Just means he thinks you are scum or you are town who is scum siding | ||
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On February 26 2015 01:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, that's fair even though I disagree with your assessment on the original case (I think it's damning) I don't think it's fruitful to keep arguing about that. I'm not willing to lynch Wave though. Why are you willing to lynch Wave and why aren't you willing to lynch Yamato? What has Yamato actually posted that you liked? When I think of wave and his town play I generally think of someone doing a ton of things with a decent thread precense finds things pushes them. I see part of this in wave, the finding something and pushing it for the first half of the day but past that hes been kind of....void he dropped what he found to be scummy and has just been here. I played with a mafia yamato before and he just doesn't seem to care and as town he cares and has some thoughts. I see more the later here, the initial case he posted wasn't as good as you but he did try to jump start the thread in a direction he thought was good which is towny I think. His paranoia while super high for whatever reason (which towards you art is kinda believable) is ok. I just don't want to lynch him I think right now I think. | ||
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On February 26 2015 01:58 Snarfs wrote: Artanis, what's your read on me? can you explain your read progression on Node better. Hours before you called him mafia you called him town and everything you called him mafia for existed when you called him town and you supposedly read his filter the first time as well. So what changed? | ||
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To probably would pick tormented because of X, to then voting kel? | ||
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If you are sure that node is mafia you should push it. If you are sure that the case tormented put up was forced, you should push it you said you would rather vote tormented. Then you vote ksc because hts was wishy washy? I don't see what you are trying ##vote snarf | ||
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On February 26 2015 03:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Well damdred that was my initial problem with you, remember? Nonstop confidence that has was scum and then you just stopped pushing it. Why is what snares did in the regard different? I stopped pushing it for two seconds waiting on hts to do stuff then kel replaced in theris a bit of a difference I think. I didn't write a case exactly, and after I said I would back off I still wrote why I think they are scum and pressured kel and eden. Here we have, someone go I think this person is mafia! A few hours later they give a meta post explaining why they were wrong and they are now town. However you have pro I think it was say this wasn't the snarf he remembers and he would of went for the throat. Directly after this he comes up with a hard scum read on node when everything he scum read that person for had already happened in the thread before he made the town read. He then under light pressure and no push to get people to consier node as mafia says hes been gone to long drops it. Says artanis is scummy, drops it after nobody agrees, moves on to say he would lynch tormented. Then votes kel a few seconds later for hts being wishy washy. Its a totally different thing | ||
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Gotta think about it but i'm bak on the road now then eating. | ||
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##Vote Sl Snar left a legacy post it looks extremely towny to me. I'm really torn on him now kel makes good points on sl | ||
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I would rather not lynch snar today. | ||
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To much voting spread out we kinda need to narrow it Down | ||
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##Vote wave Let's do this rd end masculine words have swayed my heart of stone | ||
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I want to see final vote though | ||
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How about we stop fighting and try to talk about other things. Node afkd his vote at a time before a push on that person did Jack all. Is this Scum indicative to anyone | ||
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Please look forward to the case when I get home | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC KelsierSC (1): sicklucker Not Voting (0): Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Had a long day at work figured before I went into anything else I would look at the final vote count and post some thoughts. The first vote is the official vote count where we ended with the 100% information that we have from the flip. From this vote it is highly probable that both Eden and Yamato are both town (a part from my earlier reads) which makes the vote look like this + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC KelsierSC (1): sicklucker Not Voting (0): Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Personal Reads Incoming: I think that the vote was between two towns at this junction, Snarf left a reads post that convinced me even if it did not convince anyone else. There was not that much movement in the wagons at the time besides consolidation. Snarf voted to save himself which isn't alignment indicative granted. I still think the legacy post sways me a bit its obvious he was the lynch up to that point and wave had 0 momentum up to the final hour so no reason for mafia to give us any sort of information going into it. I also think that there is a good possibility that Kel is town in this scenario. He looked really good heading into the eod and put in a ton of work questioning people and pressuring people at points. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC KelsierSC (1): sicklucker Not Voting (0): Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Shining had a huge let down day one, but his somewhat catchup posts were ok. I'm leaning town on him but I don't think i'm ready to give him a full force town read but I think its more likely between two towns that a town would hammer in that situation. SL has a high chance of being mafia with how his voting went I believe. He was here at EoD was useless and used his vote by throwing it away instead of helping the lynch. His vote by itself stands out pretty highly to me + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC KelsierSC (1): sicklucker Not Voting (0): Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. This leaves me with Tormented, Tronak, Node, Artanis and Probulous Tormented I think is townish at this point, his post on snarfs goes against the grain at that point and his followup explanation was pretty good. His posts at EoD weren't bad either to me. Probulous has been a bit useless besides when hes talking about me granted, wave pointed this out but I think that what analysis he did do to me and his post during the night on the votes was pretty town so he is in a town pile. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC KelsierSC (1): sicklucker Not Voting (0): Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. This leaves me with a pool of Artanis, Tronak and Node. Tronak had some decent posts during the night, hes more null for me currently. But I think some posts look towny Artanis has a really good shot at being scum, all day he thought that Yamato looked really bad and scummy but he decided to vote with his scum read and then after he voted he decided that Yamatos filter looked decent. He was somewhat useless today just focusing on tormented and yamato for the general portion of the day before deciding to vote with said scum read and suddenly reversing the read even when Yamato had been playing the same way the whole game. Node is probably the last scum, h was extremely useless all day. He was extremely defensive whenever he was confronted with not doing things in the thread. AFK'd his vote without any sort of followup or any new information taken into account whenever he was here, and just has decided to do shit all and be useless. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, [gren]Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC KelsierSC (1): sicklucker Not Voting (0): Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. This is the final visual representation of where my thoughts are currently. Any questions or want anything fleshed out more just ask and i'll talk more about it. | ||
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On February 27 2015 00:50 KelsierSC wrote: I dunno about sl to be honest. My d1 thing wasn't really good when you take out the artanis point. I think he played poorly but his play is different from void, I think you'd agree. I do agree it is different, and it is possible that two mafia are on one wagon at this point. | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:43 _Tormented_ wrote: I am still not sure how Artanis can call Yamato's case against me weak and then continued to push me and then turn on yamato when he changed from me. This is just an example, but I kinda like this post from tormented it is insightful and shows a clear understanding of a town mindset looking for things that are a bit off. It just seems towny to me like his snarf case an push and then the reason he backs off of snarf and switches to art then wave seems decent to me. | ||
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See what I said and comment when you can kel. | ||
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I'm going to spend some time reading Prob I think. If anyone has any questions while i'm here or wants to talk about my vca i'm really wanting to. | ||
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town: damdred yamato Kel Eden snar prob (rereading) Tormented nullish town Shining Tron Scum Sl Node Art Obviously you think I will be wrong on you so who am I really really reading wrongly on. is all of my scum team incorrect to you? | ||
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On February 27 2015 03:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think you're wrong on me, I know you're wrong on me. I've read my role PM. I think you're wrong on either Tormented or Snarfs, maybe both. I've got you kel yamato eden and tron as town. Do you think i'm right on SL and Node? which is more likely do you think? i'm leaning more towards node probably | ||
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Also why did you vote for snarfs with yamato before deciding yamato was town after you had pushed him most of the day? Also he was the primary push on him I believe in the thread at that point. | ||
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On February 27 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I didn't see anything new in his reads list. Rehashing what you've said already in order to get another very viable lynch target lynched seems very easy. Because my problem with Yamato was that he hadn't done anything other than a weak case on Tormented which he backed up on when I started pressuring him and flinging suspicions at me. When I read his filter, I saw him doing a lot of pushing and prodding, plus the mutual wave-yamato townreads helped. It looks like in yoru filter you voted before you looked into yamato? | ||
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Artanis, I think you said that wave Yamato made you feel better about yamato I think it was I'll have to make sure. Why does that matter preflip in your mind when you say waves filter looks horrible and you had a scum lean on Yamato previously? Also kel opinion on probs post at night that talks about me and how I'm skating by or whatever after he stopped pressuring me. It reads weird to me seems he's blaming the lynch on me a bit? | ||
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My VCA is a good starting point going forward but if I die do not solely look at it and afk a lynch on say Artanis/SL I'm wrong more than I am right and I think I have decent handle on some things currently but there are a few i'm wavering on before we go on. I'm not as sure that SL is mafia as when I wrote that post, its POSSIBLE that the whole of Wave was a town wagon, how likely it is is to be seen. Currently i'm wagering that there is at least one mafia on it and that i'm wrong about one of the people in my lynch pool currently. Even though SL is a potential mafia player at this point his solo vote is actually kind of meh for alignment. It could just be wifom but I think SL is a better player than that and he would of tried to blend in more. Or h could still be mafia but that more than likely means i'm wrong on one of Node and Artanis, because let us be honest there is a probability that a mafia is on waves wagon in some form. Its just stupid for me to think everyone on it was town. On that wagon the people who I would like to see the most going forward on are, Shining, Tormented, a bit of Prob as a outliner chance. I'm still feeling that both wagons are town, T looks really good at night so far. I'm kind of leaning more town on him currently than I was this morning, for a new player hes asking a lot of good questions and actually digging in at night which I think is pretty towny. Artanis is still a good shot at being mafia, his post about why he voted and the yamato wave town reading each other and so he felt better is kind of weird. Theres no reason that should matter especially when suspecting yamato and thinking wave looked like shit eod when everything was going down and in that moment no way you would be totally ok with both after calling someones filter shit after x event. Node really misrepresented things in the game when he was here, and is really defensive in some of his posts especially towards me, read them when hes talking about me omgus him. Really weird posts, he afks his vote and doesn't do much or worry about the lynch in any way, hes very very clearly not worrying or trying to figure out the game entirely at this point. Tormented is a really good scum player, I just happen to think that hes town in this case for anyone wandering. If he flips scum he tricked me. His vote does kind of fit into a scum position but I just don't think him and artanis can be on a scum team together so if one flips scum don't sleep on the other but yea. Prob is an outliner I still think hes town, I just want to see more reads and more pushes out of him so make him do it thread and show how towny he is. His vote was second and the reasons weren't exactly horrible he did have his vote on wave earlier in the game as a pressure to get him to do things and wave did make himself look bad. So ther isn't really much in the way of scum motivation behind him voting like he did. Some of his posts rub me the wrong way like his night post that kel posted. Shining is a good town player make him do things or lynch him seriously, if he doesn't do things and reevaulates people like he did in his last newbie game that just ended lynch his ass. Also snarf probably is town his vote is purely self preservation at that point which really isn't alignment indicative, but his read post I still feel is pretty towny. Get him to do stuff if i'm not here and back up what he says I've looked at his other games at this point and he is lacking some of his insightful reads, make him give rads and respond to people. Ok any questions to me just in case I die before eon? | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: They've got a lot of history, so if I believe Yamato is town and he's calling Wave town with nigh on certainty I do give that a decent amount of weight. I know they have a ton of history but what does that matter if one of them is scum or not? When we were scum together we did somewhat the same thing? | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote: whats changed your mind or at least made you doubt the snarf lynch? I mean tonight not yesterday obviously | ||
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