Newbie Student Mafia VI - Page 8

On March 02 2015 09:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
As far as Eden vs Yamato. I read through all of Yamato's scum games and I just don't think this is one of them. He rarely if ever conflicted his other team mates d1 and on here he got into it with artanis. Would artanis even go to the trouble of adding to yamato's posted evidence and voting me and then turning on yamato? This just seems to me to be too unlike scum actions.

Eden I am wary of because of the way he has diverted attention from himself pretty much any time it has come up. The fact he is still alive is suspicious in and of itself. Would mafia kill snarf over eden? Eden did question artanis on his reasoning for voting snarf and then immediately voted for him on D2. That could be a very well run bus or just a good lynch.

In conclusion, I do believe yamato is more than likely town, but if he does nothing today to help his case today I will understand a lynch on him. Eden remains null to me at the moment. Something just doesn't sit right about his posting, but I can't explain it enough to even try and lynch him right now.

I would much rather look at either Prob or FF for the lynch today.

On March 02 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:
As for where I'm at, I'm pretty convinced the refusals to play has at least 1 scum in it. Yamato and Kelsier.

Yamato did absolutely nothing to help himself or town D2 leading up to EoD, then slaps a vote on Artanis. The interaction between them early seems odd after Artie's flip, too. If yamato doesn't show up today and actively play and help town, he is my choice for scum.

Kels was a replacement that has been replaced and hid behind the excuse of a D2 replacement being his reasoning for not playing. I find that very weak and a cop out, as a even a newbie like me has dealt with a D2 and D3 replacement in the same slot and worked through it.

I'm lynching either yamato or Kelsier slot depending on actions today and my rereads tonight.

On February 28 2015 21:04 Probulous wrote:
OK, sorry for the lack of posting. Weekend mafia is tough, especially when House of Cards Season 3 drops

First off, welcome to Shit-Samwich. Secondly
##Vote: FecalFeast

I had my suspicions about Node and his replacement is no better. Besides not reading the thread he is simply asking for reads and misrepresenting reality. His first action was dishonest. Note

Followed by

If you were skimming the thread, the first thing you notice is who was up for a lynch on Day 1. He knows that Snarfs is looking town to most people now because of the way is the lynch went down but he asks the question to appear ignorant.I mean why did he pick Snarfs anyway? My only conclusion is he saw the vote tally and thought Snarfs was a good person to start on because of the way the voting went but he tries to present it as if he is starting from scratch. You know, make the most of being a replacement. Lying is probably too harsh but it is definitely misrepresentation.


This is even more bull-shit if you follow the above. It like seriously linked in the OP. Followed by this

If he even bothered to look at the vote tally he just posted he would know that Yamato was never a serious lynch contender. Artanis voted for him really early but I think that was it. Again, he is misrepresenting what happened in this game. SL voted like an idiot because perhaps he is one, I don't know, but a simple reading of the hour before the lynch would show you his reasons. These questions are not simply questions someone asks when they are trying to understand the game, they are questions someone asks when they want to appear to have no clue what is going on.

There is a difference between trying but missing things, and just being lazy. Node looked like scum but I gave him the benefit of the doubt in-case life got in the way his replacement is trying to use that leniency to skate bye.

On February 28 2015 21:42 Probulous wrote:
OK, I had a town read on Art Day 1 because he was active and actually tried to scum-hunt. Also looking back, he was also one of the few (not sure if there was anyone else actually) who attempted to pick apart Eden's case on Wave.

Another really nice interaction was when KSc though Art had caught Damred out, Art was certainly pushing Dam but instead of inflaiming KSc's suspicions he responds thusly

We now know Damred was town. Sure as scum he could have done the same thing, but why? Why not let Dam defend himself from these accusations? I mean if he didn't hose it down KSc might have taken it further? I don't know if he would have but I really like this interaction. As town there is obviously motivation to make things clear.

My biggest issue with Art is that he picked a newb as a target Day 1 and hasn't ever let up. Sure Tormented may be scum but tunneling this long without really going after someone else suggests a nice excuse to not actually participate.
Damred's point are useful as well

I'd lynch Art if that is the way that we are going today but I think FF is a better bet.

On March 01 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote:
OK, Tronak. The haste with which you switched your vote was just odd to me and the tone with which you just defended yourself seems...well, overly defensive. Did me telling you to read the thread that one time get to you that much? I mean, I did say in my last post that you were sheeping Prob onto FF. But you said you wouldn't move off of Artanis unless he showed he was town. You moved off of him so I needed to see if you thought Artanis was town or not. You moving off the wagon you claim to have started because he hasn't offered us anything to a guy who is here and doing something before EoD doesn't line up. And it might just be wording but "easily" being willing to switch off of your main wagon to another just doesn't fit the tone you've had regarding Artanis.

That being said, I really am thinking we should give Artanis a chance here. There are quite a few players who had much more content and posts D1 as opposed to now. Artanis, yamato, Snarfs, Kelsier are names that come to mind as driving forces D1 and almost non existent D2.

And if that is alignment indicative, I'm really bad at this game because there are four names there.

On March 01 2015 08:01 The Shining wrote:
I didn't realize you had to stick with your initial reads the entire game and not actively analyze and reassess things.

Like the fact that Yamato shows up after his Artanis pls BS and votes him. Looking objectively at his filter, he hasn't given us a damn thing since EoD and its fucking frustrating. But I'm getting out of my tunnel. He really thought Wave was town. I could see his anger and detachment from the game as being real and authentic once I get over my anger over him not being willing to play. It makes sense and his willingness to still come back and vote Artanis after implying he didn't do what he said he would shows at least a slight investment in this game still.

I'm notorious for shit D1 reads. Another of many reasons I hate D1. Right now, I'm inclined to think I'm wrong on both of my reads(Artanis/Yamato) and could be taken for a run by scum, but I don't have any reads to make this anything more than a tinfoil theory.

In other words, I believe Artanis could be scummy but, like Tronak, could understand his flu excuse being a horrible one to get thrown onto his scum meta, as well as it being a genuine excuse. And another 72 hours of Artanis playing like this would only make it easier to decide on. And if I scum him off of D2 activity alone, I go back to Yamato and Kels and you to a lesser extent showing a lack of activity that wasn't there D1.

Eden, the speed of the wagon matters because I maintain that Town deciding lynches early in a Day and not analyzing or thinking things through gives scum a free pass for 48 hours. And wouldn't you know it, the content on D1 and N1 is almost 3x the content of D2. So I have evidence to back that statement up.

Also, when a wagon like that picks up that much traction that fast and no one stops to go, "Hey could this guy actually be town? Why or why not?", in my short experience, it ends up leading to a mislynch.

On March 02 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:
As for where I'm at, I'm pretty convinced the refusals to play has at least 1 scum in it. Yamato and Kelsier.

Yamato did absolutely nothing to help himself or town D2 leading up to EoD, then slaps a vote on Artanis. The interaction between them early seems odd after Artie's flip, too. If yamato doesn't show up today and actively play and help town, he is my choice for scum.

Kels was a replacement that has been replaced and hid behind the excuse of a D2 replacement being his reasoning for not playing. I find that very weak and a cop out, as a even a newbie like me has dealt with a D2 and D3 replacement in the same slot and worked through it.

I'm lynching either yamato or Kelsier slot depending on actions today and my rereads tonight.

On March 01 2015 08:33 rsoultin wrote:

Vote Count

Artanis[Xp] (6): Eden1892, _Tormented_, Snarfs, sicklucker, Yamato77, Tronak
fecalfeast (3): KelsierSC, Probulous, The Shining
_Tormented_ (1): Artanis[Xp]
KelsierSC (1): fecalfeast

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Artanis[Xp] is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

On March 02 2015 15:31 The Shining wrote:
That is what happens when I try to get you to play and post and interact with me numerous times and you don't. Maybe if you had responded to me throughout one of your Artanis Plz or headdesk posts, I'd have something to go off of with you.

I can't believe I had to pull teeth and whine all over the thread to get you to do WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING AS TOWN ANYWAY. Took me fucking scumming you and changing my stance on you to get you to play, GJ. I reassessed my read on you and you still couldn't be bothered to contribute or interact with me until I scummed you again.

Meh, you've been angry and emotionally driven concerning me. Talk to me about me once you're willing to look at things objectively, not "he's scumming me so now I'm going to spin his posts to look scum.". I'll also ignore the fact that you meeeeehhhh Probulous but don't address the fact I'm scumming him. Srsly, get out of your tunnel.

On March 02 2015 15:53 The Shining wrote:
So your Eden read basically just flew out the window. Your other scum was Snarfs, dead confirmed VT now.

Now it is me and Probulous. Funny how yesterday you made sure to mention "Prob was no one's top lynch."

You see how there's no progression from one point to the next? You're taking posts instead of reading filters and context and just hammering scum reads. That's why I don't think interacting with the thread is meaningless. I don't scum you if I can actually see where and how you drop reads and move onto the next.

And your last few posts are actually pretty townie. They'd probably be moreso if you didn't wait a full day and night phase to do so, though.