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Eden1892
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On February 28 2015 06:19 Fecalfeast wrote: You're telling me off for not wanting to read but you're not planning to reconsider anything until D4? ok no dummy, I'm lynching Artanis and then you first | ||
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Eden1892
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On February 28 2015 06:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh hai. Planned session is discontinued. Normally Capoeira gives me energy, but today it was actually exhausting. Would recommend the sport though, it feels pretty great. However, I'll tell you the plan for tomorrow. Everyone votes for me and that doesn't change unless I become a universal townread. We treat me as green and start bouncing reads back and forth on the rest of all the players. We don't discuss whether we lynch me or not unless EVERYONE thinks I'm town. If I'm mafia, it's all wifom but no harm done. If I'm town, you'll have a lot of good reads from someone who is now confirmed town. Sound good? ...sort of? why would we lynch you if we're supposed to treat you as green? haven't you never been mislynched before or something? where's the fight to stay alive? | ||
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Eden1892
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On February 28 2015 07:09 The Shining wrote: Does this mean you're already lynching FF regardless of Artie's flip and the info it could give us? no but it's hard for me to imagine that Artanis's flip means much for Nodefeast's alignment those 2 are my clearest lynches | ||
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Eden1892
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No? ok we lynch him lol | ||
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Eden1892
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On February 28 2015 16:43 Tronak wrote: What were you thinking about Artanis's reply at this moment Eden? same as I used just later or...? i don't remember now lololol | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 01 2015 03:33 Tronak wrote: ##unvote ##vote Fecalfeast why have you forsaken me | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 01 2015 05:52 The Shining wrote: So Artanis is set to be lynched right now. What happened to this Tronak that has been suspicious of Artanis "before everyone" except maybe Tormented? He just sheeped a Prob case onto FF(to get off the Artanis mislynch?) after saying he won't change unless Artanis shows he is town. Has Artanis done this, Tronak? lol ninja'd by like 10 mins this is what i get for playing smash and trying to read zzz | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 01 2015 06:26 Tronak wrote: I mean this post: Can anyone give me his experienced opinion? Would Artanys use his "flu" in his /afk prelynch defense? How do you read the rest? he's very probably telling the truth and it means nothing about his alignment | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 01 2015 07:34 The Shining wrote: That was very general, Snarfs. Would you like to read my filter and the multiple posts saying I didn't like how fast his wagon gained traction and wanted to hear his defense before pulling the trigger on him and then ask that question again? why does the speed of the wagon matter? also we still lynchin artie rite | ||
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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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(1) Disappearing/not trying to solve the game after d2, including dropping/failing to pursue multiple scumreads for no reason. He dropped his scumread on me and didn't push it at all, instead allowing me basically to decide the lynch, and he keeps saying Snarfs is in his mafia group without actually engaging Snarfs at all or putting any work in to get Snarfs lynched. If he's no longer suspecting either of us, cool, but then he didn't try very hard to find other suspects, either. (2) The way Artanis was willing to switch to yamato near the end of d1 but then somehow found a way to vote with yamato on Snarfs, and then the way Artanis dropped his read on yamato without giving any reason, makes it plausible that Artanis was busing a partner. This doesn't actively prove yamato is mafia, but addresses one significant potential argument for his innocence (namely Artanis trying at some point to get yamato lynched). (3) I still maintain my d1 observation that yamato complaining about the thread direction while he was actively involved in deciding it, and when it was basically completely as you'd expect him to want it given his reads at the time, probably makes yamato mafia. I don't understand why a townie who is involved in the thread and who has successfully gotten thread sentiment more or less in line with his reads could possibly complain about the thread direction. | ||
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Eden1892
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Ironically I think my other lynch right now, if neither yamato nor Kelsier, would be Tormented. Artanis would hard bus like that in some circumstances, so it's not impossible. And I distinctly remember several other players (Tronak, Shining, Snarfs, Fecalfeast) really trying today to figure the game out, so by POE there's a decent shot Tormented is mafia. One thing I'd definitely encourage people NOT to do is to write off Tormented as a possible partner for Artanis; when you see how Artanis was ultimately pretty easily swayed off of killing Tormented d1, the fact that Artanis "went hard after him" (not really) doesn't mean much at all. And yeah I put Fecalfeast in that list, he's been working reasonably hard for someone who replaced 70 pgs in. I'm still worried about his slot though, just because Node's filter screams red to me. He's in my second tier of possible lynches after yamato/Kelsier/Tormented. I don't think I would ever lynch Snarfs, Tronak, Shining or sicklucker. Probulous I keep getting a nagging feeling about since he also dropped off, but I've liked what he's done when he's been around, more or less. So that's more or less where I'm at. Lynch into yamato/Kelsier/Tormented, I would almost guarantee one of them is mafia. Don't ever lynch Snarfs, Tronak, Shining, sicklucker. Make Probulous and Fecalfeast consistently bleed town and we probably have this. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 01 2015 14:19 _Tormented_ wrote: Also, lets be real, how likely is it that a veteran mafia player would act like Kelsier did with the Artanis lynch knowing that Artanis would flip scum? As you said, brazen would be a good word. Also, do you expect to live through the night? I looked back and it seems you pretty much are always dead by the end of night 2 in mini mafia when you are town. I would be insulted if I were alive to play to d3 I'm kind of insulted I wasn't nk'd since I was right about Artanis tbh | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 02 2015 00:44 _Tormented_ wrote: @Eden you say yamato bussed, but I find it much more likely that someone like you bussed when you very quickly dropped your vote on artanis day 2 and then disappeared for the rest of the day saying you didn't need to think again until day 4. A day might I add that you rarely if ever make it to when you are town. I agree with kel that yamato does not feel like a bus to me. If you were so certain that artanis was mafia, why not try and make sure that happens? Then when artanis flipped, you were again very quick to lead the discussion and point the finger at yamato. For someone who sends so certain again, your reasons for yamato are vague at best. artanis was lynched. wtf else did i need to do to "try and make sure that happens"? i got like 4-5 people on the wagon i wanted immediately, and there was never a significant counterwagon. then most of the people i wasn't sure about decided to start talking and solve the game. staying back and watching them work without distorting their behavior with my presence was a great call since i got several townreads from it that i wouldn't otherwise have and i didn't say i "didn't need to think again until day 4," i said i wasn't going to have to worry much about a certain player (don't remember who) until d4, because at the time i had my d2 and d3 lynches more or less decided (artie and node). notice that in the meantime i changed my mind on fecalfeast being my next lynch, so obviously i'm already thinking again what are you doing here? maybe artanis DID bus you | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 02 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: So if.we have a vigi that held his shot. We can discuss shooting tonight. Currently it stands at 7-2 If you no shoot. 6-2 Mislynch 5-2 Nk 4-2 Ml 3-2 Nk Mafia wins Mafia can win with two mislynches. If you shoot wrongly 6-2 5-2 Ml 4-2 Nk 3-2 Ml Mafia wins Essentially whether you don't shoot or shoot wrong today mafia wins with the same number of mislynches. But you have a chance to shoot right and it lowers the number of townies you can potentially mislynch. Therefore vogi shoot your strongest scum read tonight your math is wrong but your conclusion is (mostly) right vig should always shoot my biggest scumread plz | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 01 2015 17:49 yamato77 wrote: loleden they didn't kill you because they knew your reads were bad so bad i caught mafia, what a scrub what happened to your scumreads on me and snarfs and where are you at right now | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 02 2015 00:05 KelsierSC wrote: I'd probably look into probulus and sl again. SL did try to get the lynch away from artanis but his reason didn't make sense to me. Like artanis is more likely to show himself town later or something. Probulus I need to read again. I had him as a scumread n1 but really couldn't be fucked yo play the game d2 with the replacement. Eden as for tormented. Artanis can push on tormented. But it is highly unlikely that tormented , as a newbie. Would bus artanis. Much more likely he finds a reason to call him town. I dont know about Yamato, I think artanis being lynched wasn't a forgone conclusion and he was very vocal about the lynch. I'd have to read him again but it doesn't feel like a bus to me. Again this makes me wonder. About SL who is happy to go along with your idea Artanis being lynched was a pretty foregone conclusion imo. And it's a little odd to me that yamato was only vocal about lynching Artanis after it was. His vote goes on within 4 hrs of EOD and he doesn't start saying stuff like "we're killing Artanis today" until the last 40 or so minutes of the day. I am reasonably certain he is mafia | ||
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Eden1892
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It's 8-2 not 7-2 | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 02 2015 04:57 Tronak wrote: Out for dinner. I'll be back and willing to share thinkings with others. Where is Prob btw? Good question. I really need to see more production from him. The more time passes without it the more I start to think he should be scanned | ||
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), now instead of being fully emotional on your defense, relax and keep defending, no problem.
