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On February 18 2015 07:35 Palmar wrote: We're full btw. I'll start whenever I feel like it (probably tomorrow) :hype: | ||
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On February 19 2015 10:32 geript wrote: It's a non-claim. There's no miller in setup. Why would I care about a nothing claim over someone afaik I haven't played with who made an interesting opening. It just feels like you're opening is distinctly different from the rest of your posts in a very odd way and I want a read on you. so interesting it merited no acknowledgment  i just want to be the funniest player on tl geript what's your read on Kit-Kat right now? admittedly, I don't really see where your questions are going, but from a recent past experience coaching a game you were in, I know that I tended to think that about all your questions  and you DID usually end up somewhere decent. so where yat right now? | ||
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it's been a long while since i've used pm's in a game, so unless someone feels like giving a scrub a crash course, i'm probs just gonna rely on the thread itself | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:15 Snickers wrote: I'm seriously not trying to be rude. But I wasn't asking whether or not you thought I was scum. That was clear. I was wondering if you were misunderstanding me or just wanting me to look scum. You think I've been rude but idk I thought my posts have been nice. Also why would tone be an alignment tell. Especially the first post. It seems too early to be thinking about that. i don't really see how he would know whether he's misunderstanding you | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:21 Snickers wrote: Eden do you think I was rude in my first post? Maybe if I ask him about he would realize maybes hes being quick to judge. Also if I'm new to the game, I wouldn't know that it is so crazy to not pm people. Seems kinda weird to miss that. not rude, no, but i don't think geript was saying you were being rude so much as you were putting yourself out there let's talk about this latter bit instead - why do you refuse to use pm's? i can understand not feeling confident in being able to use them well (i'm sorta in that camp), but they still seem like an effective tool to use in solving the game. leaving a potentially-useful tool in the shed on purpose when you're leaving for a job generally seems like a bad idea without a good reason for believing it won't be necessary/useful. what's your reason? | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:44 Snickers wrote: Before this game started, I decided not to use pms. Its not mandatory so why even do it. I never saw it would cause this much of a ruckus. Also do I really want to figure out what I should and should not be pming people. Geript pmed me and was implying I should have sent him my role already? That seems like the exact opposite of what I should be doing. Geript seems to expect a lot from me even though he said I havent played a alot. Idk seems weird to me. Also, if I am so new why would I do some huge ass, really obvious post that would draw attention to me. It was really close to the game start so chances are my twos scum buddies wouldnt be around. Am I really going to screw my two teammates like that? If was really confident yes. But I don't think I have been and I find it funny Geript would miss this if he was being genuine. oof, defensive i'm just asking. i don't know my way around pm games as well b/c it's been a while since i had one, but from games ~a yr ago where i used it somewhat effectively, i understand the potential it has, so i was wondering why you wrote it offso you just don't see much of a benefit to pm'ing then? | ||
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On February 19 2015 12:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Im real sad geript didnt pm me . Miller claim is fake and pointless. Snickers doing some weird ass shit. (scum) Have you ever played a pm game before snickers? what has butterfingers done that you think is scummy? (weird, sure, but i'm curious about scummy) | ||
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On February 19 2015 15:02 sicklucker wrote: Oh great another day 1 fixated on me overreaction much? | ||
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VE what are you doing? | ||
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Ray also had some good posts. His big post recently about SL was pretty baller. I haven't got the scattershot townie vibes I normally get from SL. Where you at? | ||
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On February 20 2015 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Voting then constructing a reason afterward is scummy. I have no idea if you did it in the situation but mafia has been caught before for calling someone scum then solely using evidence after he initially called that dude scum. Also I wanted to see if you knew your read well enough to distill it to the most important bits. Which indicates your familiarity and confidence in your read. Its alright. Based on 2 posts. Meh Im not convinced. This is what I'm referencing - he doesn't call it a "trap" but that's the idea | ||
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On February 20 2015 03:28 sicklucker wrote: Great idea.. now mafia can snipe roles from your shitty townreads. Na dont do this fools Too late I already did | ||
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On February 20 2015 03:42 LightningStrike wrote: Guys can we not talk about ongoing games please. What would you like to talk about from this game instead? | ||
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On February 20 2015 03:46 Koshi wrote: Can people call people mafia pls. So stuff happens. Mafia | ||
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Hahahah | ||
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On February 20 2015 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey eden skype go? I'm on my phone at work Afterwards! | ||
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Speaking of... Koshi, how did you come away with a town read on Snickers after posting the sample you did? That seems like the opposite conclusion one should get. | ||
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On February 20 2015 05:00 Koshi wrote: Please show me where I said snickers was town. ...did you not? I can't point to what gave me that impression, but you did an awful lot of talking him up, and afaik you're not scumreading him. I blame it on the phone. | ||
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vote snickerdoodle | ||
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On February 20 2015 08:03 Kurumi wrote: Boy, believe me it is legit. I have two Internet connections at hand and four devices. Enough to test it again myself - and you can guess that I did so. It's not that. I'll PM you since our QT remains uncompromised  | ||
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I think it still makes Kurumi town though. I can see where, if he believes Onegu is afk mafia, it would make sense to him to spring it after one unique view. It's incorrect, but it doesn't make him mafia to me. And the sequence as a whole looks townie to me. | ||
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Eagerly awaiting Oats's explanation for why four people saw the QT though (if that's what happened). | ||
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<LightningStrike> Okay my guess maybe Snickers, Sicklucker, and VE since you said that VE had given acess to the other QT somehow Sicklucker I had Null and Snickers is my weakest Town read since Kurumi named VE as a potential breach in one of his QTs... But more to it, that seems like standard LightningStrike. Caveat that I've never played with him when he's been mafia, but this is his style as town. Overreliance on meta like this: <LightningStrike> I see him doing that more as Town than Mafia but than again I had never played with Lian when he was Mafia (shrugs) but it shows he actually thinking about the game but he didn't really follow up much in the thread though is pretty much exactly what I expect to see. I'm curious to see the outcome of the leaks talk though b/c he was named as a potential leak. That reminds me, where is sicklucker? He's not really doing much of anything this game, which would be surprising if he's town. | ||
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On February 20 2015 11:18 Snickers wrote: It caused a bunch of bullshit to happen. Not really, I solidified two townreads out of it (geript and Kurumi). But if you think it's bullshit, what should we be talking about instead? | ||
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On February 20 2015 11:28 Oatsmaster wrote: That conversation is totally null for geript eden. How does it make him town? Does geript argue like that as mafia? My impression is that when he gets angry and dug into his trenches like he has with Kurumi here, he's town, and that when he's mafia he tends to avoid tunneling much. I haven't seen his mafia play in a while (maybe ever?) but that's where that came from. (I also think mafia in general try to avoid this kind of argument.) Koshi I could see being mafia. Why not Snickers though? I liked what Koshi had to say about Snickers and I don't think Snickers has done anything to make me think otherwise. | ||
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On February 20 2015 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I feel that the whole conversation was kurumi saying, "Its like this", and geript saying, "No its not". Thats hardly tunneling. The reason I dont like Koshi's read on Snickers is that Koshi is doing the exact same thing and complaining about no content and asking people to produce content. You must have missed the part where geript says "No way you do this as town" then - I thought it was pretty clear that geript thinks Kurumi is mafia for this and is zeroed in on it. Seems tunnely to me because he's ignoring the possibility that you were the source of the leak. (Were you?) Second part is pretty true, but it doesn't change anything about Snickers himself. I think Koshi's done more than Snickers pretty easily. Koshi dropped some info about LS, he's been questioning Kurumi about his plan for the game, and he brought up Snickers himself. Snickers hasn't done anything beyond calling random things bullshit without offering any analysis or potential suspects or anything. | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Why does kurumi push something so easily disproved? Because if he is scum, then the push is obviously fake. Just doesn't make sense to me.. And I don' buy that he intentionally did the push to be too dumb to be scum. agreed | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:45 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't even post the pms though yet I just waiting for mod to answer my question on it. don't talk about pm'ing the mods about asking for a rule clarification, dummy god have mercy on this poor guy (unless he's mafia) | ||
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On February 20 2015 16:55 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: sicklucker yaaaay srry bbys was chatting w/my new bf <3<3 mtg now bbs~~~~ | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:17 Koshi wrote: I feel like Town!Eden would have stronger reads than this. I don't think that Town!Eden would start with saying "I could see Koshi being mafia" and then goes for all the green stuff about me. While he also pushes snickers based on everything I said. I don't see Town!Eden do that. Same thing with the LS read. I think this shows scum!Eden not knowing when he should have strong reads. This is a PM game ffs. Why is he having such weak reads? He just said LS was town after he read that entire conversation I had with LS. Now he doubts that read again? Is this town!Eden? I don't think so. ##vote: Eden not really seeing any contradictions tbh the first post was inconclusive about you b/c you hadn't done a lot (which is typically your scum behavior), but you brought up the snickers thing which I thought was good. snickers proceeded to not really try or do anything for several hours and your read made a lot more sense in light of that, so I came around to snickers mafia and you town. recently snickers has tried more so I've felt better about him, but your observation was still pretty good, so I think you're probably town, and I have better lynches like sicklucker and liancourt, so I'm not lynching you today and I'm not doubting my LS read, you're getting me wrong. I was joking about only modkilling someone who broke rules if they're mafia. could have been LS or SL or geript or anybody and I'd have said the same why don't you want to lynch sicklucker? if he's paying attention but clearly not active in the thread or side chats then he's probably mafia. sicklucker is much more active than this as town | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: But he reads me you geript town. Ve is not in towncircle by his definition. And someone is scum in the circle? He just called us all town. And apparently oats is town for calling us scum? also this sl is pretty clearly doing yesterday's disruption work to keep the town circle from solidifying b/c once it's entrenched it's too hard to stop | ||
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i'll be around on phone @work | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:32 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in defending ls btw, I already did that one game and he turned out to be scum. So I am going to say this once: atm I think sl is townish and I would prefer to go after somebody else. Which I will do. But I will not be vocally opposing the pressure on ls. Probably ever. ugh who else then (I am not a valid answer) | ||
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bruh i mean who else will you lynch with me i'm not lynching me with you | ||
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On February 20 2015 18:37 Koshi wrote: 1) It is not about contradictions. It is about the strenght of a read. I don't like how you start with calling me possible scum, and then type 5 different reasons why I am probably town. Especially after last game we played in which I was scum and you couldn't find 1 reason why I was town the entire game. 2) Again. It is about the strenght of your LS read. I would expect town!Eden to jokingly beg the mods to not modkill LS because he is obvious town. But you added the possibility that LS is scum instead. Because I feel like you should have LS as strong town. ok, i get it's about strength of a read. i still don't see where the issue is. i was uncertain on you in the post you highlighted where i said you were maybe mafia, b/c you hadn't done a lot, but you had done one thing i thought was good (snickers bit). the snickers thing felt more validated over time so i got okay with you being town. your comparison to horn of africa isn't valid because the scenarios are different; you might not agree with this assessment, but i felt you literally did nothing townie in HoA, so of course i found no reason to townread you. you were afk most of the time and didn't do anything to solve the game when you were around. pretty easy read. when i made that post, you were still sorta in afk/not-doing-much land, but you posted the snickers thing, which was townie. so i was uncertain, and then as the game progressed, the snickers thing turned out to be pretty valuable AND you did more (digging into kurumi, chatting with ls and the town circle on the side), so i thought you were town your second point is pretty plainly overreaching to me. i really don't know how to reply to it because i feel like it's self-evident that i wasn't actually doubting my read on ls. all i can do is insist i wasn't | ||
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lemme go over what i remember about your play this game and see if you get where i'm coming from. i felt like your posting early was ehh. you had your good point about snickers that i discussed, but you didn't do a lot else. there was the kurumi thing which was good too though. i learned after that, around the time where snickers was starting to look better (posting in irc and pushing liancourt), that you were active in a town circle with geript and rayn and all them, and at that point i was pretty sure you were town, because i didn't think you could fool them if you were in a skype chat for hours like geript said you're probably right that i was more paranoid/unsure than i should have been. i've been consciously trying to tone down the certainty with which i state my reads, because i think in horn of africa i burned a lot of credibility by being so sure all the time and changing my mind a lot. but i wasn't keeping options open about lynching you or trying to turn oats on you or anything | ||
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i still think you should lynch sicklucker. i'm not sure what it is about his list post that changed your mind, because to me it proved he's been following things but not that he's trying to solve the game (as evidenced by his lack of meaningful posts in the thread or oot communication), which i'd expect from mafia sicklucker. town sicklucker is all over the thread, digging into all kinds of leads, trying to turn up whatever he can. the leads don't even have to make sense, they just have to exist. they don't exist if you won't lynch him, my next shot would be liancourt. this one's admittedly more of a crapshoot but it's based on 2 things: - him also not doing anything substantial to solve the game in what activity i've seen from him - an incident i saw in irc (no logs, gg, but snickers will confirm) where snickers was pushing him to give suspects or show anything indicating he was solving the game. liancourt just deflected pretty much everything and called snickers scum for omgusing i'm not as confident here, because i've literally seen the second point happen to me when we were town together, but i think the two points in conjunction are good enough to lynch on. after that there's onegu, who i prodded to play. i don't actually want to lynch him but we'll have to eventually since palmar doesn't modkill inactives. there's a lot of people being townie though... i thought kurumi was town earlier, and i still do, but i'm looking to see how he deals with his geript push when he wakes up. i'll pm that thought process to you after that shrug | ||
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On February 20 2015 19:07 Oatsmaster wrote: I really don't buy that scum can't fake an extended conversation on Skype and shit though. All it takes is the right perspective. At least for one conversation early in the game. Where it is easier to differentiate is if you talk again later after 1-2 lynches and see if the conversation is still the same. i guess not? just from playing irl mafia it's hard to react in real time to questions. the buffer mafia get from non-instant forms of communication is enormous ...but i could just suck at irl mafiaside at the very least i'd say that a good place to look is the group of people who haven't been utilizing the oot communication much. you have to filter for irl-related inactivity or other complications, but i think scum prefer not to use pm's if they can | ||
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Just looking at Koshi's 5 pts, he's misrepresenting 2 (as already thoroughly discussed). I have been scum hunting as much as I can given a busy schedule. Go look at Titanic 7, I was town and couldn't do much. It's Mardi Gras week and I work in a restaurant. And my 5 was directly addressed to him after he said he wouldn't lynch SL. He is misrepresenting that too. Koshi you have to stop tunneling me. For fucks sake one of your points was that I phrased a joke wrong/scummy. You are wrong about me and you need to step back | ||
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On February 21 2015 04:00 Koshi wrote: I am not misrepresenting point 5. You are clearly staying out of the spotlight. And it is a cold fact. You said to Oats that I was scum. And then you gave 5 reasons why I was town and why my read on snickers was good. Not deliberately staying out. I've been working my ass off irl. It was all I could do to talk to geript for as long as I did last night. I woke up late and was fucking late to work cause of this game and you wanna question my investment? Come the fuck on! I point again to the game I WAS ALSO PLAYING THIS WEEK where I WAS TOWN AND RELATIVELY INACTIVE We've gone over this point repeatedly, you're just not listening. Who else do you even have as mafia that you're so unwilling to entertain me being town? | ||
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Why'd you back off SL? | ||
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all y'all haters doubting my commitment can suck itHow is sicklucker doc tho. That's such bs | ||
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Lol I can't read Lets lynch SL guys cmon | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:42 sicklucker wrote: Eden if your town why dont you question me? Why dont we play 21 questions when you saved me from getting mislynched in that epic long game. That was really good you gave town a huge lead in that game. I don't have time to this game. Job sucks. Life sucks. | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:49 Koshi wrote: Are you at work? Do you have your phone? Are you at work? Got phone back for brief break | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote: why do you think im mafia? Why dont you qeustion me What is there to question? You are scum bro Just not involved in game at all. I have excuse. What's yours? | ||
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On February 21 2015 07:01 Koshi wrote: Eden. Are you 100% on SL? I might want to change and I bring town with me. Give me some fucking good reasons pls. Tbh at this point it's just what I've already said. Where is his posting this game? He wasn't involved at all for most of d1 and he comes back with a post that recaps the game showing he was paying attention but didn't feel like doing anything with the info he had Who are his suspects even? I just don't think he's playing the game. Ad I now I'm being a hypocrite but hypocrisy is not a sin I have to get back to work and won't be back before EOD. I am really sorry I haven't been more involved and bad at playing the game. Work sucks. Pls don't kill me. | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:23 Town Puppy wrote: /in so hard pregame note i might commit seppuku irl if i roll this role Be proud, the temptation was strong. | ||
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On March 05 2015 16:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: sicklucker and Eden can you explain the thought process between bussing on D1 for town credit, then killing the dude (me) who actually most strongly considers that as town credit? Like SL has now done this twice. First do something that looks really town to me (not as town to others) then kill me. What's the point of town credit at expense of your scummate dying if you kill the people who consider it town credit? not my call to kill you LOL i actually didn't want to bus at first, but sl and ln were in everyone's POE list halfway thru d1 so i ran with it then i got caught and it still sorta worked i guess | ||
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