VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan...

On February 11 2015 22:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin if you are town and if I'm town just sheep me

On February 11 2015 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:

I will try my best on that can't guaranteed that I can!

On February 12 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote:

He will never improve if you lie to him.

Third partys suck in general. Then there is the awful deadline. Then there is the not rnged role distribution. Good. I wanted to take a break anyways.

On February 12 2015 10:38 Blazinghand wrote:

Not only do I stick to the scumread, it's not too uncommon for me to actually successfully lynch them. I'm very talented at writing cases that convince readers even though they know the reason I'm writing is RNG. I think the times my RNG has landed on scum it's failed to push through though.

On February 12 2015 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:


fwiw though legit RNGing the D1 lynch has a lot of positive benefits. You'd be surprised how well games with a D1 RNG lynch turn out.

On February 12 2015 11:19 Blazinghand wrote:


Yeah, but also a 22% chance of lynching scum is pretty good. If we've already caught scum we don't need to worry about RNG. But if we're confused, then the RNG is great because a confused town usually is pushed into mislynching by scum-- the RNG is way better. Even better, RNG isn't subject to like, biases, weird rivalries, vet bitterness, hatred of newbies, or any of that stuff. RNG is pure and perfect.

In fact, it's REALLY good in this game, which has 17 players, 5 of whom are scum. that's a 30% chance to lynch scum. That's frickin amazing

On February 12 2015 11:25 Blazinghand wrote:


ಠ_ಠ

... if you're gonna use the argument that "technically any vote has a 30% chance of landing on scum" then you're gonna have to justify why not-RNG is better than RNG, since, according to you not-RNG has a 30% chance of landing on scum just like RNG.

On February 12 2015 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I do things besides just rng you know. I'm full of surprises. Sometimes I even surprise myself.

On February 14 2015 09:45 LightningStrike wrote:

(cleans it up) Bad Puppy you're moving to rsoultins house...........

On February 15 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you want to policy lynch or do you not?
Your "rng lynch" as you put it is not an rng, it is a lynch on BH because of his rng.
So it is not a policy lynch (as per your words) nor is it a scum lynch.
So what the fuck is it? A way to not contribute to anything that's going on in the game?

On February 15 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH.

On February 15 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

does.
so what does that have to do with anything?

like you arte making a super dumb argument in which the conclusion is null. there is no reason to argue about this.

On February 15 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Last post about this,.
I am not arguing you are not allowed to vote for BH as a policy.
I am arguing about the fact you used RANDOMIZED as a part of your reasoning for voting for him which is 100% invalid.

On February 15 2015 00:14 LightningStrike wrote:
HTS did you forget in Student IV when I was Mafia my post count was very low compared to my other games?

On February 15 2015 00:12 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm back. Rasputin, in either case, I thought that was what you were supposed to do if you rolled miller. If not, then well, what's done is done, and you, Rayn, whoever else can call my play bad for all I care.

Also I don't like Robik's post about me because he's not reading and understanding why I'm asking the questions I am, also ironic coming from a player that has said in the townplay discussion thread that he thrives on conversation. Funny that he'll scumread someone else for trying to do the same thing.

As I maintained in Horn of Africa, LS is someone I find it very difficult to read, so he is the type of player I will ask 20-odd questions in trying to figure out his alignment. (Right now, I'm leaning scum on him) If you think you have a better way, suggest it. Ritoky made the assertion that Fecalfeast wasn't comfortable. His behaviour didn't change when I started talking to him, I was looking for that change.

On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though:







Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike.

Thoughts?

On February 15 2015 00:19 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, I'm not talking about the RNG scumread. Read the bolded. Try again.

On February 15 2015 00:25 Half the Sky wrote:




I explained the same to Breshke. If he can talk about Robik more, it would help me resolve this issue.

On February 15 2015 00:30 Half the Sky wrote:


Am I missing something? Or completely misreading? I'm sure I'm having a dumb moment, but probably even more frustrating I'm not even sure what you are driving at.

To answer your question, he wouldn't. I said it was unproductive. That method in theory could have just churned out any name. I'm just focusing on the non-RNG reason for scumreading him.

I think we're talking about something completely different.

On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:

Have I ever mentioned how much LightningStrike is my favorite person on TL?

On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

town

On February 15 2015 00:38 Half the Sky wrote:


Valid, as in a real reason? I made my interpretation of that early on before BH reappeared.

So let me read past page 17 one more time.

On February 15 2015 00:39 prplhz wrote:

can you please not fucking do this

the game is the game and outside of the game is outside of the game and you don't mix that shit up because there's no reason to do it and it cannot possibly lead to anything good

i know you're just "lol" robik and blazinghand is like "i'm so good i can do what i want" but can you please not do this shit

On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.

But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku.

On February 15 2015 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey guys it's been an hour and this thread has gone from good stuff to shit with nothing much new.
Now put your votes into the right place and we'll move on. I have just told you who the mafia are.

If i am wrong on 3/4 of my scumreads i am terrible, but i am not.

On February 15 2015 04:28 liancourt wrote:
Just ignore the claim and judge based on content

On February 15 2015 04:40 rsoultin wrote:


Ah, so we do have a lian. Hi, lian. ^^ You're worshiping at the altar of the RNG god. Is this because you think VA is scum independent of BH's 100%/30%?

On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:

It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet.

(1) Do you have an issue with this point?
(2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise.
(3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead?

On February 15 2015 07:37 ritoky wrote:


lots of reasons

nervous people talk too much

scum care too much about how they are perceived and getting the meaning right

some times scum read and edit their posts and leave tons of extra crap in there

there's lots of raisins, pick some.

On February 15 2015 07:45 Fecalfeast wrote:

You said we went back and forth with 'you're uncomfortable' and 'no I'm not' I don't think we did. I think I said something more similar to "I don't care what you think of my posting"

On February 14 2015 16:15 Fecalfeast wrote:

I don't care what you and ritoky think of my posting, though. I'm not sure how you can gauge my level of comfort through text anyway... You also don't seem very comfortable. You seem like you are trying so hard to act like you're trying to solve a game that's been going on for less than 3 hours...

On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:


Im dumb i should really read nested quotes.

So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke.

@Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone?

On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:


oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything

I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything



Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative.

Your reads would be nice thanks

On February 15 2015 10:14 Breshke wrote:


I'm not going to force a scum read when i don't have any. You have played with me before i don't see how you think its weird i didn't have any clear scum reads.

Yes you were contesting rayn's read but you brought it up so either you were just doing that to post words or you thought there was something alignment indicative about it. Yet you came to the conclusion of blah which you say means null so why did you feel it was necessary to bring up?

On February 15 2015 10:20 Breshke wrote:


How bout you stop dodging the question and actually give your reads.

On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:
Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler + but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool.

On February 15 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:

Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC.

My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game.

On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:

I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why.

And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE.

Also, where did I praise BH? I saw you said that in your earlier post as I typed this one. I wouldn't say I've done that.

On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game

On February 15 2015 11:47 Town Puppy wrote:

Not praise.

It is suspicious that KSC concluded VA decided to roll over as scum and deny information because:
(1) Vayne hasn't rolled over
(2) Vayne being lynched is far from a certainty
(3) Vayne hasn't actually done anything alignment-indicative, and Kelsier's description of his activity is a description of a null player, but then Kelsier decides Vayne is mafia anyway

The lian read being weird was part of my case, thanks for adding to it by taking another angle on it.

I really don't see how my case is inconclusive.

On February 15 2015 11:49 Town Puppy wrote:
Also if you don't like my case come up with something better plz. Slightly annoying to have people dumping on it by calling it bad logic but then not pushing anything better. s/o to rso

On February 15 2015 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:

HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :|
Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now.

On February 15 2015 13:04 Town Puppy wrote:

She claimed miller right off the bat. I think it makes her pretty clearly town due to this chain of logic:

(1) Hosts don't typically run multiple millers in a game. Therefore, claiming miller is in effect claiming something like named VT.
(2) If there is a miller in the game, and HTS is not the miller, then HTS will almost certainly be lynched as mafia (possibly d1, if not then d2).
(3) Thus, HTS's only hope in fakeclaiming miller is that there isn't a miller in the game to cc her, because if there is she basically just gave herself up.
(4) HTS is traditionally not a high-risk player (in my estimation), which makes her an unlikely candidate to have attempted such a high-risk strategy as mafia.
(5) Thus, it is likely that HTS's claim is genuine.
(6) HTS is town.

I think the only thing in that chain that can plausibly be falsified is (4) - maybe she's a higher-risk player than I'm aware. No one has attempted to do so, though. 1-3 is ironclad and 5-6 follow from 1-3 + 4, so unless someone can demonstrate that HTS is reasonably likely to have attempted a high-risk play like this, there's really no reason not to take her claim at face value and go from there.

What's bothering me most is that there are multiple people in the thread - rso and LS are the ones who come to mind, but they aren't alone - who more or less accept this reasoning (because they just played another game where this scenario occurred), and who aren't contesting (4), but still are finding reasons not to townread HTS. (There's other people, like rayn, who scumread her as well, but I'm less inclined to be worried about that because his reasoning had nothing to do with this logic at all, and I'm reasonably certain he hasn't seen this argument before. rso and LS have.)

On February 15 2015 13:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking into some of Rayn's quotes after he questioned me on my reads, there are a few quotes of his that have me scumreading Rayn.

I have never played with him so I am disregarding meta.



How does he know for a "fact that LS is town"? If he's town, he wouldn't know this for a fact.

Next quote: Possible buddying of Palmar? I don't understand as a veteran why he cannot figure out some of these players (other veterans) himself. I have heard in QTs he's a good player (correct me if I'm wrong on this)

Now I know BH has been around, I don't know who he means by Robert, and it would appear prplhz has also been around TL a bit. It seems like it could be a way to use an incorrect Palmar read for a potential mafia agenda.



I also read further on the post that Rasputin mentioned on the flip-flop. I don't understand why he'd ask Palmar for help on reading someone and then through a single post, he not only is confident enough to agree with someone he previously might have needed help reading but then retracts someone he was willing to work with.

Additionally I got a very bad vibe from this as well:



Like he's trying to push me when I'd already answered his questions. Looking at the timestamps there were 12 minutes in between I answered his last question and when he said that, so it's not like he missed my questions. It seems like he's trying to reach to call me scum based on this.

On February 15 2015 13:47 rsoultin wrote:


Huh, the quote on getting palmar to help with the other 3 players...that is a very good point, HtS. As for the semantics argument...I pretty much null-read that. People don't understand my sarcasm sometimes xP case and point: ritoky

On February 15 2015 13:50 Town Puppy wrote:

"I've seen it before" doesn't debunk "Hosts typically don't do this." I didn't say hosts never do this. I did say that hosts tend not to do this. Multiple millers in a game is pretty significant cop hate. There's no compelling reason why they can't do this, I just know in my experience that they don't. It just doesn't happen. And where did you see this happen, anyway? I'm not familiar with any games recently that did this, and you didn't raise an example of it when it came up in Horn of Africa (although I guess it didn't matter, given the different context). I also don't think the size of the game makes a big difference, 2+ millers is just awkward and atypical in most games.

The part about cc'ing a claim is a pretty good one, maybe I should have been more serious about attempting to cc in the first place. Oops.

The boldface part bothers me. If you explained this before, why not just quote it to me so I see it, since I obviously missed it before? If you didn't, why did I have to drag this explanation out of you? In either case, why are you reading so uncharitably into my argument when no one before you had explicitly argued this point with me?

I admit though, the point about not cc'ing is a pretty good one, and after I saw the un-cc'd miller play I stopped reading her posts carefully enough to see if I felt her questions were what I expect from her town game. So if she's not auto-town due to miller claim I'm not really sure what she is. Sigh.

Can we kill Kelsier now?

On February 15 2015 14:01 Half the Sky wrote:


From what I recall from digging his filter, he quoted LS on BH/Palmar IIRC and said "townie pass" but the former statement was still too definitive in my eyes.

On February 14 2015 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have the exact same feeling. You can have a townie pass sir.

On February 15 2015 14:13 Town Puppy wrote:

No, it's not the premise. It's one premise of three (the other two being his pretty sketchy read on Vayne and his relative absence / lack of involvement in the discussion relative to previous games I've seen him play as town).

"inherently false"?

Yes, I am being less paranoid about role claims after Horn of Africa, for the obvious reason that marv was clearly town and I spent a shitload of time tilting at windmills that game because I didn't accept pretty clear logic for him being innocent.

And uhh...




Huh? If you're saying my case is so bad that I'm as likely to be right as the guy you're scumreading picking a random player, I don't see THAT at all. Are you going to explain how someone describing behavior that's not alignment-indicative as "scummy" (and apparently the most suspicious thing in the game, given the vote) "just doesn't read as alignment-indicative" to you?

And do you even think BH is mafia?

On February 15 2015 01:11 prplhz wrote:

how did you figure this out at this point? did you just randomly decide to read the OP right at this time? that doesn't seem like palmaresque behavior (reading the OP at any point of the game).

i mean you think i'm wanting to red hunt and then you say "okay" despite how everybody knows this is pro scum (lightningstrike deftly pointed this out already). then you say "okay" but then suddenly, right there, you decide to read the OP (wtf since when does palmar read the OP) and then you realize that i actually want to blue hunt. why did you read the OP right there?

On February 15 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wow this is the towniest post in the thread.
I also retract my town read on Palmar because this is totes corect.

On February 16 2015 01:05 prplhz wrote:

i should have explained it thrice though because no one seems to get the point i was making.

On February 16 2015 01:17 prplhz wrote:
this is really one of the stupider things i've seen in mafia

"i think your read is good but because you expounded on it i'm going to think you're scum instead"

On February 16 2015 01:30 LightningStrike wrote:
So what you think of Palmar rsoultin?

On February 16 2015 01:34 prplhz wrote:
yea i'm not sure what to think about palmar. this push on rayn is, well i don't like pushes on people like rayn or palmar on d1 because if they're town they're going to get shot by mafia really soon anyway. pretty simple. also a rayn/palmar shout fest clash of egos on d1 is potentially devastating for town. i liked some of his earlier posts like the one where he points out that robik is town and then he just made this post



which i think looks super townie.

in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though.

semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous.

On February 16 2015 01:40 Palmar wrote:
There is literally nothing omgus in my case. Rayn was in fact calling me TOWN not mafia, and then reduced that to null. I'm not questioning his read on me. If he calls me mafia for reasons that make sense I don't care. It's the fact that he used good reasons to call me town and then killed all of that off with bad reasons.

On February 16 2015 01:43 LightningStrike wrote:

Normally Palmar cba on the weekend to play so him playing on the weekend is more likely he's town than not on that alone also I like he trying to push his case on Rayn to others too.

On February 16 2015 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Palmar's town for the big play. The case isn't particularly amazing, but rayn's lack of a response tells me more than the case does. Palmar tends to be lazy as any alignment but I get the feeling that he really tried to be a good town today with the case. I still prefer VA but I'll wait to see what Rayn has to say before passing final judgment.

On February 16 2015 01:52 IAmRobik wrote:
I havent' read anything for the past 10 pages, but I've thought a little about what happened up to that point:

-I really didn't like HtS's posts this game as compared to other games, but I agree with the person who said that she's not ballsy enough to claim Miller as mafia.
-I want to keep Rayn alive regardless of his alignment right now because I haven't played with him in a while. Having said that, he might be SK because he made a comment about how he doesn't consider SK mafia. I thought that was weird at some point
-Eden outline posts really throw me off. When he trolls, he's often scum, which he didn't do this game. However the way he's formulating his posts just didn't feel natural to me. Just way too many points (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) etc.
-Palmar and Vayne I think are really townie. I felt like VA was genuine when he said that he doesn't roll scum in Titanic games and this is following that meta. I thought that Palmar was town for not realizing mafia was blue and then his shock was genuine when he found out the opposite. Also, he made a comment calling me townie because we both didn't like Rayn's reasoning for his HtS scum read (i believe this was it)
-Ritoky is bordering town for me right now. He's been on and off, but there was one or two posts that I liked.

I don't remember many other posters. If something significant happened while I was away, I would love the be filled in.

On February 16 2015 02:23 IAmRobik wrote:

No, I don't really have a lynch target right now. Didn't say Rayn feels off. I thought he was townie to start, but he made a weird post. That doesn't necessarily make him not-town. And I'm town reading VA, so not sure why you are surprised I don't want to lynch him.

On February 16 2015 02:35 IAmRobik wrote:
Explain your rayn for rsoultin

On February 16 2015 01:03 rsoultin wrote:


Maybe I'm the only one who twitches at a post like this :/ When the same concept is repeated over and over.

Then Rayn sheeping the concept and leaving out the gratuitous repetitions, which indicates to me that he noticed how unnecessary they were:



I don't know. It could be just me, but the whole exchange seemed fishy and it hasn't stopped bugging me.

On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town.

On February 16 2015 02:52 IAmRobik wrote:

To expound on this:

1) Rayn knows that Palmar is a lazy person who never reads the OP.
2) Palmar claims to have read the OP at a random time
3) Someone points this out and Rayn has a "ah-ha" moment because of it

Why is that a scummy or illogical progression?

On February 16 2015 03:00 IAmRobik wrote:

Am I lying?

On February 16 2015 02:59 prplhz wrote:

how can you not know that when i wrote it in my post? (and i even wrote it twice as you might have noticed)

On February 16 2015 03:08 IAmRobik wrote:
rsoultin, what do you think of my claim that your posts make me want to take a gun to my face.

1) your post about pyp is dumb
2) your post emphasizing "said" to prplhz made me vomit. Legitimately went to the bathroom and puked my brains out because of how fucking dumb it was.

Is there a point where you start saying intelligent things that at least give the appearance like you're playing the game or trying to solve or, or if you're mafia, trying to con people into thinking you're doing those two things. Because otherwise I'll just have to ignore your posts as they provide 0 fucking insight other than to piss me off

On February 16 2015 03:27 IAmRobik wrote:

yes. to fucking get you to stop posting dumb shit and start playing the fucking game

On February 16 2015 03:37 IAmRobik wrote:

1) Prove it's untrue
2) You admit that other people know him better, so why is it SOOOO FUCKING SHOCKING TO YOU that people would change their read, when MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT YOUR WRONG

On February 15 2015 18:01 KelsierSC wrote:
[...]


This is how I feel about BH at the moment. He had his RNG fun and pushed maths at us. Then again he pushed mechanics with his "lets consolidate wagons." But his solution is just to go back to his RNG lynch. I don't see any game solving or mind blowing posts despite their long length so I think BH could be scum here.

[...]

On February 16 2015 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:

He admitted he wasn't. Whatever. This discussion is dumb. You're wrong about everything and it's annoying to talk to townies who don't have a head on their shoulders.

Thanks for trying to mislynch me in Linux. You really know how to read the game well. Let me just praise you first before you give all the wrong reads for yet another game

On February 16 2015 04:04 IAmRobik wrote:
Your reasoning was bad:

On February 16 2015 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Here's my crumb: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757767

R C P = Record Player = LP Player = LPP = Lord Percy Percy the Jailkeeper

note that I say "crumb" in this post

On February 16 2015 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I keep going through the playerlist and only BH and Kelsier stick out, possibly breshke as a dark horse feel like he is in stealth mode this game

On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.

On February 16 2015 07:49 liancourt wrote:


any chance of 2 jks? there can be multiple millers why not 2 jks?

On February 16 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys vote BH if BH flips JK we kill TP with a vig easy as that guys.

On February 16 2015 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:

Eden was the one who Counterclaimed when he came back here. Ofc he would act different from being a VT. Being cautious around people being a little scummy. So I taking him over BH esp not liking the RNG lynching idea.

On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.

On February 16 2015 13:30 Town Puppy wrote:
And rso I pegged you as mafia about 20 minutes after I died. I said it in the obs qt of that game and I guessed it to JAT when I PM'd him about it. I got blinded by the marv tunnel in-game but I think I would have come around on you in that game if I weren't shot

On February 16 2015 13:42 Superbia wrote:


Hate levels increasing. So much martyrdom.

On February 16 2015 13:43 Superbia wrote:


What's your goal here? Why would you be okay with getting lynched if you were town?

On February 16 2015 14:16 Superbia wrote:
"I'm okay with dying guys (bc I'm def not mafia, teehee)." -> Cop claims -> -silence-

On February 16 2015 14:34 Superbia wrote:


Where'd you go after asking who Rowan Atkinson is?

On February 16 2015 14:43 Superbia wrote:


I don't feel like you're interested in anyone's alignment this game.

On February 16 2015 14:45 Superbia wrote:


I think you're mafia. Probably.

On February 16 2015 14:57 Town Puppy wrote:

I mean, are you?

I don't think it's an unfair sentiment from Superbia at all. I only really have your approach to me to go off of since I haven't been reading, but he's pretty right on imo. You don't really seem that interested in finding mafia. It still sticks in my craw that you were so invested in the argument with me about HTS claiming miller, making insightful observations about the parallels to Horn of Africa, and then it seems like that same investment isn't displayed toward the process of actually determining who's town and who's mafia.

On February 16 2015 15:13 Town Puppy wrote:
this filter is boring to read and i'm tired

rso why if i'm mischaracterizing your play did you take so long to realize i'm obviously town? i just don't get that part

On February 17 2015 09:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Alright rsoultin come and talk to us and same to you Breshke I swear no one here bites :O

On February 17 2015 09:20 LightningStrike wrote:

What you think of ritoky, Superbia, Robik, and KSC and them calling me Mafia?

On February 17 2015 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

what does this mean?

On February 17 2015 09:25 LightningStrike wrote:

True but you kind saw in my last post why I said the stuff I did (hint I talked to you about it in the OBS qt in Newbie LX)

On February 17 2015 09:27 Palmar wrote:
why is superbia obvtown rsoultin?

On February 17 2015 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

so what's his alignment and why?

On February 17 2015 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
To be clear: Superbia being scum would NOT be breakgaming nor woudl it make the game invalid. In fact, if I were scum and I knew how blackadder worked, and I knew that both of the JK claims were real JKs, and the mod CAME IN and said that the fluff was relevant, well, I'd DEFINLTEY do what superbia did. The only reason I'm townreading Superbia is that I think most players aren't as wiley as me and woudl only do this as town.

Superbia is not modconfirmed. He just reacted to the mod dropping a hint in a way that's very townie unless he's super devious.;

On February 17 2015 09:52 ritoky wrote:


I do, he is town.

On February 17 2015 10:03 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, prplhz's vote on you looked a lot like a pressure vote there, KSC. I didn't like several of his posts early on, but it seemed to get better later.

Lol, I'm sure I'm the one TP left out of his scumlist xP

On February 17 2015 10:05 KelsierSC wrote:


How did it get better ?

On February 17 2015 10:12 KelsierSC wrote:


His main read I that I'm mafia for reasons other people already gave.

Aside from that I see nothing good.

On February 17 2015 10:21 Half the Sky wrote:


I generally have the expectation that someone with his experience level (especially) should be able to either give reads on other people or at least come up with some sort of other method in conjunction (like PoE) to further support why his RNG read was good if he was that serious about it. I made the point that when he kept offering a "30% scumlynch" I said that there was a 70% chance it was wrong. And he failed to do that. Finally when he claimed I didn't believe his claim largely because of the timing.

As a veteran I expected better from him. He didn't sound believable at that time.

On February 16 2015 04:25 Blazinghand wrote:


honestly he's a lazy ass and could do this as town, but I'll be glad to pretend it's scum-motivated if it'll get you to vote him

On February 17 2015 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah it must be a language barrier thing. She's from UK..

On February 17 2015 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this

On February 17 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:


Meta?

On February 17 2015 11:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't actually think VA is scum but we should probably still lynch him btw

On February 17 2015 12:08 Blazinghand wrote:


Look at his filter. He's never gonna be a townread for anyone. We should probably sit on him for a day and hope a vigi or cop gets him but honestly do you think we can afford NOT to lynch VA?

On February 17 2015 13:48 Damdred wrote:
Well baby girl I'm here and I'm town so lets end this omgus on my slot.

Obviously I'm a hit behind but I'm going to start out reading some choice filters and sleep. I won't be all the way caught up till tommoeow obviously

On February 17 2015 13:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm disappointed firstly that we didn't push through VA then! 2 jks are interesting though.

Rsoultin why is it so important I don't find you in the least bit scummy. I've not even looked at you and have a gut read that rit is scum so far. However your post is strange

On February 18 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:
I just skimmed VA's 2 page filter looking to see if this was some sort of a continuation of an earlier read on LS. Can someone remind me why the wagon on him died on day 1? What happened?

On February 18 2015 00:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, I saw your questions from last night by the way.

I don't know what else to tell you other than I saw Blazinghand at the time as not credible. If you don't buy my ignorance/lack of understanding fine, but you should also know this is not the first time I've struggled with elements in the game. Mechanics I've had issues with twice now (Newbie LX, Carol) for example.

On February 18 2015 01:05 Half the Sky wrote:


Something like that. I will admit I've not dug it up again.

On February 16 2015 13:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
If there's a jk who hasn't CC'd you're dead to me

On February 18 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote:


I don't know why this jumped out to me out of everything in his filter, but this was after both BH and TP claimed and I don't follow the logic.

On February 18 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:
FF, can you talk to me about the JKs?

On February 18 2015 07:53 Fecalfeast wrote:

I think BH is jk still and agree with him on VA. I understand the mod never came in and said explicitly "BH and TP are jailkeepers" but from where I'm standing it's pretty obvious bh is town

On February 18 2015 07:57 Fecalfeast wrote:

If you have some elaborate trap you're trying to spring just tell me what I did this time. If I ever doubted BH it's because of how cocky/high and mighty he was acting. I currently think he's town and I honestly don't remember exactly how I felt EoD

On February 18 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:
I am really having trouble not scum reading this chica, pls someone halp me.



your scum reads have literally not developed in the slightest. check here:



then there's the whole part where you pulled your vote off rayn for a bad reason after focusing on him so much.

then there's the part where you plagiarized large parts of my read on ff then scum read me in the next breath.

then there's the part where you had a TMI post about the night kills.

then there's the part where your read on me is terrible.

then there's the part where you constantly state going to bed/etc for reasons for not being here

then there's the part where I criticize you for lacking conviction and now you're overcompensating.

I weigh all of that against you sharing similar reads to me and the amount of work put into the ff stuff and I arrive at WARRRRGHARBBBLE land.

On February 18 2015 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote:

Because there were 2 jk claims, a practical mod confirm of there being 2 jks and yet so many people were afk at that point that bh almost died anyway. A third jk claim to throw a wrench into the thread again seemed likely to me.

On February 18 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:

HTS as Mafia didn't make a huge wombo case on someone being Mafia if I recalled correctly it just she pushed me to die because she was evil

On February 18 2015 08:20 Fecalfeast wrote:

I was initially thinking that with how BH was talking (seriously go look at some of those posts "on my level" is a well used phrase) he thought he had fooled everyone and was gloating. Slam, one of the sfks, claimed and it made my suspicions make sense that there had to be another jk. As of now, though, I can only see BH as JK unless someone is being very sneaky and not ccing

On February 18 2015 08:29 Blazinghand wrote:


There are no lolz with my VA lynch. Like, yes, I *did* RNG him and it's pretty hilarious he also turned out to be scum, but read his filter. Read his god-forsaken filter and TELL ME you think he's town, I double-dog-dare you.

You can't.

VA is scum. It's simple as that. There's no more case for me to write, people just ignore hte fact that he's scum.

On February 18 2015 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:
PbP Analysis of VA filter

D1 start
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757535 meaningless
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757571 unexplained townread on HTS
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757607 Talks about when he's available
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757777 claims VT again
10 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760183 soft townread on KSC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760206 self-meta "I start off slow as town"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760325 soft defense of hts
10 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23762334 soft attack on BH
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23762365 backtrack of soft attack
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765551 scumreads on BH, KSC, Breshke, no explanation
18 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765795 votes BH before claim
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765926 votes Breshke after claim
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765967 waffling
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765972 soft attack on rayn or palmar, no evidence
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23766344 votes BH after TP claim
more vague reads
meta scumread BH http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767577
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23770978 restartes BH scumread
some trolling
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773664 votes me D1 start
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773753 discounts flavor
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773754 calls LS blatant mafia, still voting me
more trolling

None of his posts anywhere are more than like, 3 or 4 lines. The vast majority are 1 line or 1 sentence.

He has done nothing and posted no real cases and is trolling

this guy is scum, let's lynch him?