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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:19 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:16 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:12 Town Puppy wrote:On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts? On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom
Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom
I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day. I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol. ##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.
And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux. I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now >< Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol. On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.
##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two. This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught. I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger. I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions: (1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me. (2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched. I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. (SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected. No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso. I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town. Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right? If she felt like thread sentiment were moving away from me being mafia, and she felt like I might be onto her, then yes, she would have reason to switch. She can just as easily say "oh man, I shouldn't have doubted myself on Eden" - in fact I think this might be more convincing, because then when I also flip town, her confusion looks entirely justified (whereas her attempt to look certain I would flip mafia to get towncred would blow up once I flipped town).
I mean, eventually yeah rsoultin would look bad, but here's the thing. You know what happens at the end of day today, right? I would flip jailkeeper. Then there'd be a 72 hour SHITSHOW. this shitshow would be people yelling about how it was stupid/smart to lynch me, and you trying not to get lynched, then explaining that you were RBed N1, then finally dying D2 despite the fact that you are the JK. Then you ALSO flip JK and there's ANOTHER shitshow. People start yelling at each other, at the hosts, at whoever was shot N1, at me, at you, at the mods. You really think that, 72 hours AFTER the d1 flip, people are gonna be thinking about rsoultin's unusual willingness to stay on you, rather than swap to the BASICALLY identical blazinghand wagon? Like, your wagon and my wagon look really different to you (or to me) because they seem very different, but to most peopel it's just "oh we have 2 jk claims, and OMG WHAT THEY BOTH FLIPPED JK".
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:21 liancourt wrote:
why are ppl voting me? it just looks like they are sheeping BH for no reason
So you unvoted me yet? there's pretty clear evidence both TP-Eden and I are both town.
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:25 Town Puppy wrote:
Fuck c'mon guys it's rso. I will post bricks of shit produced by my body if she is town
I'm in this awkward place where I want to fight for this lynch but I don't want to accidentally get BH killed.
Can everyone just sheep me instead pls?
In this situation, what we do is have a little rolecall of people willing to swap.
Here we go:
Anyone willing to lynch Rsoultin over Liancourt if we have enough to make it stick, please type
@@willing: Rsoultin
This way, we know how many are willing before we take a risk and move over.
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Blazinghand
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hah, liancourt, you think I swapped to you because you're an easier target? when I unvoted TP I was like 99% sure that doing so would cause me to get lynched. heck, people weren't even willing to listen to the theory that TP and I were both town, I had to say "ok, lynch me, but let's talk while we wait for the deadline" to even get people to discuss reads with me. I was planning to die and let me legacy help. the mod info came at a great time but there's no way I could have planned for the mod to come in and basically tell the thread there are 2 JKs.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:37 Town Puppy wrote:
SWITCH that lian post was townie imo
currently we don't have enough @@willings to do that. note that I'm not @@willing to lynch rsou
liancourt's post is very "emotional" but doesn't really have any good arguments or cases on people like LS or Rsou. He's just doing damage control and trying to get me lynched because I'm the next-biggest wagon, not accepting the truth
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Blazinghand
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@@Willing Count:
@@willing rsoultin (3): FF, TP, Breshke
@@ willing LS (1): FF
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:40 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:38 Blazinghand wrote:
hah, liancourt, you think I swapped to you because you're an easier target? when I unvoted TP I was like 99% sure that doing so would cause me to get lynched. heck, people weren't even willing to listen to the theory that TP and I were both town, I had to say "ok, lynch me, but let's talk while we wait for the deadline" to even get people to discuss reads with me. I was planning to die and let me legacy help. the mod info came at a great time but there's no way I could have planned for the mod to come in and basically tell the thread there are 2 JKs. No you are skilled enough to this. You were creating discussion so that other ppl would n't leave the thread and get conversation going so that ppl were around and that they didn't just leave the vote on you and afk till deadline.
I'm entirely skilled enough to do something like this, but if I wanted to maximize survival (rather than maximize town helpfulness) I'd stay on rsoultin and do the whole "talk to me like I'm town" gig. moving off of rsoultin 100% killed me. Unless you think I somehow used my skills to get the mod come in here and confirm my suspicions (and superbia google for it), your explanation doesn't make sense.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:44 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:43 liancourt wrote:On February 16 2015 13:39 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:37 Town Puppy wrote:
SWITCH that lian post was townie imo currently we don't have enough @@willings to do that. note that I'm not @@willing to lynch rsou liancourt's post is very "emotional" but doesn't really have any good arguments or cases on people like LS or Rsou. He's just doing damage control and trying to get me lynched because I'm the next-biggest wagon, not accepting the truth Dude. your post on me looked like a desperate scum trying grab at anything and your reasoning was just bad. that's why I immediately unvoted and voted you because you so bad as hell. Get town cred for what? I was asking on the possiblilities of there being 2 JKs and you dismissed it so I voted TP and even defended you as devils advocate. HOw in the world would i get towh ncred for getting the 2 wagons right???? I get nothing it's null it's a BS reason to call someone scum and you are jsut inflating it with thread presense STOP. WHAT ARE YOU READS BESIDES BH.
he's just stalling. He doesn't want to give reads because he doesn't have our interests at heart.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:45 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:44 Superbia wrote:On February 16 2015 13:43 liancourt wrote:On February 16 2015 13:39 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:37 Town Puppy wrote:
SWITCH that lian post was townie imo currently we don't have enough @@willings to do that. note that I'm not @@willing to lynch rsou liancourt's post is very "emotional" but doesn't really have any good arguments or cases on people like LS or Rsou. He's just doing damage control and trying to get me lynched because I'm the next-biggest wagon, not accepting the truth Dude. your post on me looked like a desperate scum trying grab at anything and your reasoning was just bad. that's why I immediately unvoted and voted you because you so bad as hell. Get town cred for what? I was asking on the possiblilities of there being 2 JKs and you dismissed it so I voted TP and even defended you as devils advocate. HOw in the world would i get towh ncred for getting the 2 wagons right???? I get nothing it's null it's a BS reason to call someone scum and you are jsut inflating it with thread presense STOP. WHAT ARE YOU READS BESIDES BH. FF is scum but I'm not gonna get enough votes so I'm pusshing BH who is just obvious scum to me.
I don't find this compelling.
Look, LC. Maybe you're town. If you are, you can't stop this wagon. What you CAN do is write some last reads. If you write a couple cases and you flip town, I promise to read them with respect and compassion, and to push your ideas a bit, especially if they're good.
If you're scum, though, feel free to do nothing between now and deadline. But if you're town, you will soon be conftown. Use it as a tool. Wear your death as armor and noone will use it against you.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:48 liancourt wrote:
Fucks sake I'm PR I even fucking breadcrumbed.
If you're another JK and didn't mention this before you're the worst. Actually the worst. We need detials now. links. explanations.
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Blazinghand
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Yeah I'm gonna wait 5 minutes to see if he gets CCed before deciding what we do here.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:50 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like you have 2 people you think are scum, one is a possible jailkeeper and one is not. WTF is the town motivation to keep pushing BH? because he is scum his reasons on me are bad and looked desperate as fuck what more do you need. He managed to switch thread sentiment around and get a wagon on me which wasnt possible on TP open ur eyes
are you serious? You really think I'm scum after the mod came in here and BASICALLY said there are two JKs?
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Blazinghand
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Yeah I don't understand it, I don't see a rowan atkinson role
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:51 Town Puppy wrote:
liancourt quote and explain your breadcrumb now if you want not to die
stay on him until further notice. We need to gather @@willings before swapping or I'll end up getting lynched, and I'm more surely a PR than he is.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:52 IAmRobik wrote:
THERE'S NO WAY HE WAITS UNTIL 10 MINUTES LEFT IN THE DAY TO CLAIM ESPECIALLY WHEN VOTED WERE FLIPPING TO HIM WAY BEFORE THIS. HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT DEAD IN ITS TRACKS THEN, BUT HE DIDN'T. LIAM IS MAFIA
Yeah this is pretty true
I don't feel a need to unvote Liancourt based on his claim. that being said, I will vote LS or rsoultin to save myself, but I will not swap otherwise. Only to save myself or TP
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
2 JKs and a cop?!!?!
yeah also this. 2 JKs is a lot, but 2 JKs AND A cop is super unlikely, and I think 2 JKs is what's going on here, what with the mod coming in and telling us there are 2 JKs.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:53 Superbia wrote:
I'm not sure I believe this claim. I'd be willing to switch to RSO, maybe. =/ CC would be useful.
The claim is probably crap. JK JK Cop would be insane
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:54 Fecalfeast wrote:SOMEONE IS LYING HERE
Remember, the mod basically came in to diffuse the JK vs JK situation by noting the show is relevant, and there are 2 JKs in the show. It explains why TP and my claims make no sense from scum perspective. Lian's, howeveR? It totally does. He's scum who laid down a crumb and now he's trying to wriggle out of a lynch.
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Blazinghand
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On February 16 2015 13:54 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:54 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
2 JKs and a cop?!!?!
yeah also this. 2 JKs is a lot, but 2 JKs AND A cop is super unlikely, and I think 2 JKs is what's going on here, what with the mod coming in and telling us there are 2 JKs. Keep milking the mod thing and I'm gonna get upset
I don't consider it cheating. The mod posted in the thread. It's our right, nay, our responsibility to abuse it to its full potential.
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