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On February 15 2015 19:34 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote:On February 15 2015 19:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright so I read through his filter again. He said he has a semi yolo read on you based on your approach this game and that is why he calls you town.
Now I admit i dont have a veteran perspective on this but if he really likes the prplhz quote, which it is clear he does then i font think there is an issue with him retracting his town read. Does he actually call you scum though? Either way i dont think your case on rayn is good. He seems town to me. Yes but he later confirmed in his list post that he actually thinks I'm town. There is literally no reason for rayn to doubt I'm town at this point, the fact that I didn't try to bury him regarding the hts/robik stuff should basically give him such a strong townread on me that there is no reason to doubt it, especially the fact that I may or may not read OPs yeh don't get me wrong I believe that the case from prphlz against you was poor. But again I don't know why rayn was townreading you specifically and your case on him being scum is relying , in part, on him having strong reasons to townread you. It might be the case that rayn had just a "feel" from you but he really liked prplhz case. If that is the truth then your reason to scumread him looks kind of loose.
Even if that's the case, that would be the second time I misunderstand rayn this game.
where there is smoke, there is fire. If I keep getting bad feelings from interactions about him, it's likely there is something to it.
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And I want to reiterate, while not quite marv level, rayn should at this point at least be heavily leaning town on me. Like you're assuming he has no read on me when that almost cannot be true.
Go read the interaction between robik and rayn regarding hts, and then between me and rayn when I call him out about it and he ends up calling me town.
tinfoil hat even says that rayn may have wanted to shut me down looking into him by trying to get me to work with him based on a "yolo-read".
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when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be.
But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out.
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On February 14 2015 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It has to do with the fact we have been in this situation before.
You have been mafia (thug life) and town (the game i dont remember -- around october mby).
Both times you called me scum for somerhing you werent sure of. On both times i hit you back and it ruined the thread and i still couldn't lynch you. I think you -- as mafia -- would have... idk... been more "unreasonable" because it "wouldn't make you scum". But you were reasonable and actually wanted to work it out instead of getting into two way tunnelfest.
Hope you get what i mean.
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On February 15 2015 19:42 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be.
But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out. perhaps, I don't know the history between you and rayn so I am just working off the evidence I see in this game. The case regarding the OP's is terrible though.
Well if the case regarding the OPs is terrible, why do you think rayn dropped me on his mafia -> town scale for it?
So your conclusion is that rayn is just bad and town?
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the important part here, is I would have no problem with rayn disregarding the OP thing and just deferring to his earlier read. Robik giving me town read for it is very much a robik thing (he loves his tone reads). It's DROPPING the town read that I have a problem with. It's just completely unreasonable.
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whatever you're probably mafia anyway.
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like the best defense of rayn is that there is a guy in the thread (ksc) who made one giant post with the conclusion that 4 different people might possibly be mafia and then has spent the rest of his efforts randomly defending rayn instead of pushing any of his own ideas.
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Why are people so obsessed with whether or not rayn and I have a history or some meta part.
This is not a meta case.
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On February 15 2015 23:24 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and saw Palmar's case on Rayn which is a okay case but I never played with Mafia!Rayn before so :|. Palmar other than Rayn who you think is Mafia?
I don't know, it's still weekend and I'm only semi-caught up with everything.
I thought Robik looked good in the exchange regarding HTS with rayn, and he also townread me correctly, although he might of course do that as both alignments. Still, the read feels very much like a "robik-read" (he read me town last game for posting 4 times in a row, because magic). So I think he is town.
Ksc could be mafia, I just pointed out how he didn't follow up on his very inconclusive big post by talking about something different entirely, then I left the thread and he just happened to do the same. Like I just don't get the feeling he's particularly interested in pushing prplhz or anyone else from his big post.
FF idk, he's just here, but at least he's sheeping me... so there's that?
prplhz could be town? I don't know, but I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call me mafia for reading the OP, he just pointed out that it was strange behavior for Palmar to do that.
So many people though that I have very little opinion on, mostly because I haven't been here all that much.
Btw, the fact that rayn hasn't come back to the thread might be indicative that I'm right, basically clam up marv-style (which is actually a good move if you're mafia. No confirming more townies and no giving up teammates). Also his weird trap thing where he asked me if I knew why he thought Ksc was mafia has gone on for way too long.
This is more meta and less strong than my main point, but if I thought someone is mafia (like rayn seems to think with ksc) I could hardly shut up about it. Waiting like 24 hours for some random person in the game to give his opinion on it seems way overkill. I'd be convincing other people by that time.
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like it's bad enough that I'm just now realizing ritoky is even in the game. I literally had no idea (I'm glancing at the playerlist to see the people I have no opinion on).
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There's something wrong in a game where I'm sitting here on weekend and feeling all alone in a dead thread on day 1. It's supposed to be the other way around. other people missing me 
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On February 16 2015 00:49 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 00:03 Palmar wrote:On February 15 2015 23:24 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and saw Palmar's case on Rayn which is a okay case but I never played with Mafia!Rayn before so :|. Palmar other than Rayn who you think is Mafia? I don't know, it's still weekend and I'm only semi-caught up with everything. I thought Robik looked good in the exchange regarding HTS with rayn, and he also townread me correctly, although he might of course do that as both alignments. Still, the read feels very much like a "robik-read" (he read me town last game for posting 4 times in a row, because magic). So I think he is town. Ksc could be mafia, I just pointed out how he didn't follow up on his very inconclusive big post by talking about something different entirely, then I left the thread and he just happened to do the same. Like I just don't get the feeling he's particularly interested in pushing prplhz or anyone else from his big post. FF idk, he's just here, but at least he's sheeping me... so there's that? prplhz could be town? I don't know, but I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call me mafia for reading the OP, he just pointed out that it was strange behavior for Palmar to do that. So many people though that I have very little opinion on, mostly because I haven't been here all that much. Btw, the fact that rayn hasn't come back to the thread might be indicative that I'm right, basically clam up marv-style (which is actually a good move if you're mafia. No confirming more townies and no giving up teammates). Also his weird trap thing where he asked me if I knew why he thought Ksc was mafia has gone on for way too long. This is more meta and less strong than my main point, but if I thought someone is mafia (like rayn seems to think with ksc) I could hardly shut up about it. Waiting like 24 hours for some random person in the game to give his opinion on it seems way overkill. I'd be convincing other people by that time. Also interesting thoughts about ritoky and the fact he haven't tried to fight anyone yet seems alignment indicative for me on his meta since he normally fight people at Day 1 as Mafia. Also why would you clam up marv-style as Mafia if someone thinks your mafia?
Oh god LS 
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On February 16 2015 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 00:52 Palmar wrote:On February 16 2015 00:49 LightningStrike wrote:On February 16 2015 00:03 Palmar wrote:On February 15 2015 23:24 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and saw Palmar's case on Rayn which is a okay case but I never played with Mafia!Rayn before so :|. Palmar other than Rayn who you think is Mafia? I don't know, it's still weekend and I'm only semi-caught up with everything. I thought Robik looked good in the exchange regarding HTS with rayn, and he also townread me correctly, although he might of course do that as both alignments. Still, the read feels very much like a "robik-read" (he read me town last game for posting 4 times in a row, because magic). So I think he is town. Ksc could be mafia, I just pointed out how he didn't follow up on his very inconclusive big post by talking about something different entirely, then I left the thread and he just happened to do the same. Like I just don't get the feeling he's particularly interested in pushing prplhz or anyone else from his big post. FF idk, he's just here, but at least he's sheeping me... so there's that? prplhz could be town? I don't know, but I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call me mafia for reading the OP, he just pointed out that it was strange behavior for Palmar to do that. So many people though that I have very little opinion on, mostly because I haven't been here all that much. Btw, the fact that rayn hasn't come back to the thread might be indicative that I'm right, basically clam up marv-style (which is actually a good move if you're mafia. No confirming more townies and no giving up teammates). Also his weird trap thing where he asked me if I knew why he thought Ksc was mafia has gone on for way too long. This is more meta and less strong than my main point, but if I thought someone is mafia (like rayn seems to think with ksc) I could hardly shut up about it. Waiting like 24 hours for some random person in the game to give his opinion on it seems way overkill. I'd be convincing other people by that time. Also interesting thoughts about ritoky and the fact he haven't tried to fight anyone yet seems alignment indicative for me on his meta since he normally fight people at Day 1 as Mafia. Also why would you clam up marv-style as Mafia if someone thinks your mafia? Oh god LS What is it? Also I do agree it's kind of overkill to wait 24 hours for a random person in the game to his opinions on KSC.
read the post very carefully.
I'm saying RAYN (not me) is clamping up.
Also I have literally no thoughts on ritoky, so they cannot by definition be interesting.
Although I guess the fact that I have no thoughts is noteworthy, as I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are so bland all the time.
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There is literally nothing omgus in my case. Rayn was in fact calling me TOWN not mafia, and then reduced that to null. I'm not questioning his read on me. If he calls me mafia for reasons that make sense I don't care. It's the fact that he used good reasons to call me town and then killed all of that off with bad reasons.
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On February 16 2015 01:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 01:40 Palmar wrote:
There is literally nothing omgus in my case. Rayn was in fact calling me TOWN not mafia, and then reduced that to null. I'm not questioning his read on me. If he calls me mafia for reasons that make sense I don't care. It's the fact that he used good reasons to call me town and then killed all of that off with bad reasons. Again with the "literally" -_- It's like crack to you people lol. I certainly agree that Rayn's sudden read change looks strange. We're arguing the same point, here xP Not sure how his read change has any bearing on your alignment, though.
My alignment is supertown because I am playing like supertown. If I was not playing like supertown maybe my alignment would be something other than supertown.
Stop being shit.
Start sheeping me.
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I say literally and totally because I'm a 13 year old teen girl on the inside.
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On February 16 2015 01:54 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar I don't remember which game it was that had you and marvellosity fight an uphill battle against raynpelikoneet to make him realize I was town.
HOWEVER
In that very game I remember that I said something like "raynpelikoneet can't read me for shit he always reads me scum even though I'm town" and that just ticked him off. Completely emotionally compromised and we know raynpelikoneet with the multiple 5 game bans can be hilariously emotionally compromised. That's what happened and that's why he was so stubborn that game. I'm pretty sure that while he's usually self-confident, he's nowhere near those levels of stubbornness.
What's happening in this game is that raynpelikoneet saw a post that he liked and then it seems like he reconsidered a read. That's not scummy, it's scummy to keep all doors open but not to reconsider reads.
pls respond
as opposed to rayn just saying nothing like this game?
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if you think he may be sk lynching him is actually optimal play. Just lynching the sk gives us a few extra mislynches. (cba with the math)
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On February 16 2015 02:28 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 02:26 Palmar wrote:
if you think he may be sk lynching him is actually optimal play. Just lynching the sk gives us a few extra mislynches. (cba with the math) It just crossed my mine...do you remember the post that I'm talking about?
No, I have no idea why you think he's SK, but still. If it secures your vote I'm all for it.
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