On February 23 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote: Between Palmar's reads on him and his reaction? He's most likely one of the scummers we've been overlooking.
The fact that he's targetting "easy" lynches in prphlz doesn't help, especially with Palmar leaving his vote on prplhz. I don't know the vote count at the time Palmar voted, but it's really not looking good for him at all.
Lol, I don't know that I'd call prplhz an "easy" lynch right now, HtS, but I see your point.
On February 23 2015 03:26 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I don't know that I'd call prplhz an "easy" lynch right now, HtS, but I see your point.
No, not now. I am referring to the time (D3) we were all mostly taking a look at lynching him. Even when I was tracking scumreads early D3, nearly everyone had him on their lists. That's what I meant.
Now? I don't think prplhz is the lynch tomorrow. It's possible Palmar could have bussed him, but unlikely as SK was still alive. And a lot of people, like I said, had him on their lists.
Sorry I wasn't clear there.
I'm really torn on LS here, not gonna lie. Lots of little things that I associate with a town LS have been in his play throughout. And he's really hung in there and keeps trying to get his views out against a ton of opposition from some pretty strong players, not to mention several who just aren't giving him the time of day cause their minds are already made up. If he were scum I'd think he'd have given up by now?
EoD looks genuinely bad for him, though, and the prplhz case came out with the vote after thread sentiment was leaning that way more, which...if he'd just voted him before posting the case it would make me more comfortable :/ It definitely can be argued that the Slam metaread case was dropped because he couldn't get the wagon going.
LS, could you please explain to me why you stopped making a case against Slam? What specifically in his meta made you change your mind on him and switch to prplhz instead?
On February 23 2015 03:26 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I don't know that I'd call prplhz an "easy" lynch right now, HtS, but I see your point.
No, not now. I am referring to the time (D3) we were all mostly taking a look at lynching him. Even when I was tracking scumreads early D3, nearly everyone had him on their lists. That's what I meant.
Now? I don't think prplhz is the lynch tomorrow. It's possible Palmar could have bussed him, but unlikely as SK was still alive. And a lot of people, like I said, had him on their lists.
Sorry I wasn't clear there.
I'm really torn on LS here, not gonna lie. Lots of little things that I associate with a town LS have been in his play throughout. And he's really hung in there and keeps trying to get his views out against a ton of opposition from some pretty strong players, not to mention several who just aren't giving him the time of day cause their minds are already made up. If he were scum I'd think he'd have given up by now?
EoD looks genuinely bad for him, though, and the prplhz case came out with the vote after thread sentiment was leaning that way more, which...if he'd just voted him before posting the case it would make me more comfortable :/ It definitely can be argued that the Slam metaread case was dropped because he couldn't get the wagon going.
LS, could you please explain to me why you stopped making a case against Slam? What specifically in his meta made you change your mind on him and switch to prplhz instead?
BH told me that Slam play this game isn't exactly the same as Slytherin and swap to prplhz who I had a scumread in my PoE earlier. I made my case and just waiting for the SK to kill me but it feels like this video:
I'm confused as to why you think you're a likely SK kill right now? I do remember that post from BH, but I think I got lost in it the first time I read it. hold on a sec.
On February 21 2015 05:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay let's lynch Slam he seems like his mafia meta from Slytherin this game. He doesn't seem to scum hunt or do his own pushes and wouldn't push any of his reads this game. He's Mafia this game and here's his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam ##Vote: Alakaslam
Hmm, I like where you're going here with slam, to an extent. I'm actually really interested in this, as I have a strong townread on slam this game! I naturally don't question your motivations much as you are conftown, but let's talk reasoning. I'm uh, not sure what exactly you're trying to point me at here in slytherin mafia. I do notice that in Slytherin mafia, slam isn't actually a huge pusher, but he does make some votes. In general though, yeah, his play in slytherin is definitely laconic. I'm not sure his play THIS game really matches up though, you know? Let me show you some of his stuff from this game that has no comparison from slytherin:
in this post, Slam is actually pretty clear. He shred's TP's post with like, one lucid sentence. Not bad. Note that he also turns out to be right as there's double JK this game.
I guess also part of it is that Slam acts like this as town, too, you know? Like yeah he's fooling around a lot but he IS making plays, compared with slytherin where he makes few.
Ah, okay, found it. I think it's just cause I naturally don't pay much attention to meta that it didn't stick, cause on a reread the points make sense. I just don't have the context for them.
Eh, if I'm wrong about you LS, I'm just wrong. Your filter looks town to me ^^ So congrats if you tricked me, but lol, I doubt rereading it a third time is going to make me feel any different.
Okay, I need to get this up since I'm still working on schoolwork, and I don't want to find myself rushing my reads 5 mins before deadline.
SOLID TOWN: BH - obv Superbia - obv Lightningstrike - I can't shake the toneread, or the fact that he's so easy to target. He keeps making cases and pushing people to read them/improve on them. He's responsive to new information, but willing to stand by convictions. And I see no reason for him to behave as he did during Palmar's lynch if he's actually scum.
TOWNISH: Alakaslam - I actually like BH's assessment of you, and think that you've contributed enough interesting things this game - while being generally light in tone - to remove you from immediate lynch consideration. I also have the same feeling on your reaction to Palmar's lynch as I do LS,' if to a slightly lesser extent because I don't think you were in the same danger he was in if he actually managed to convince us to switch to prplhz (or at least not kill Palmar)
FecalFeast - I'm getting a pro-town feel from you. That huge filter is just insane compared to the other games I've played with you. There are some moments where you've said precisely what I was thinking, and that's something I normally associate with town. There's still an inkling of a doubt that you may be the SK, but only if other options are exhausted.
prplhz - Lightest "townish" read. Not a huge fan of your early play before you went largely inactive, and in the back of my mind I'm wondering if perhaps the wagon switched to Palmar so quickly because it was actually scum-favored, which would suggest you or LS is scum...and I'd bet you over LS. That vote on Breshke that VA pointed out, however, is a strong point in your favor. So is Palmar's read on you, and you were also actively trying to find not just an alternative lynch, but the right one (as it appeared to me) at EoD yesterday. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for now for these reasons.
SCUMREADS: Half the Sky - <3 you, lovely, but you've had a lot of really underwhelming plays this game. Kudos on the case-building. However, the miller claim was blah and your reasoning to do so (marv) was either a misunderstanding or flat-out lie. The BH tunnel isn't cute anymore, and your initial scumread on him was contrived. Just because people are handing out townreads for paranoia doesn't excuse an outright refusal to see reason. This "all players who switched to Palmar are town, all who didn't, especially protesters, are scum" is so over-simplified, it's disgusting, and feels like nothing more than an obvious excuse to flip your read on LS.
Ritoky - You're hot and cold, man. Almost 100% convinced you're the SK, simply by taking a good look at just when you're cold, but the spurts of activity followed by lack of interest could easily make you scum as well. LS I'm pretty sure is town, and as prplhz is likely town, too, AFKing yesterday when the lynch seemed set on LS and wasn't showing signs of hitting Palmar at all until maybe 5 minutes before deadline could just as easily be a sign of over-confident mafia. Certainly Palmar fell into that category.
VayneAuthority - Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but with two scum dead you should be on fire. Your few posts may seem townie, but anyone can write townie posts with that short a filter. The "prplhz wouldn't buss Breshke" point is interesting, but it was just a reason to townread him, and to a paranoid mind...secure the LS lynch while deflecting suspicions off yourself. I have yet to see any active scumhunting going on from you. To be fair, this is mostly PoE, too, and I'm not as sure on you as others.
FF*** - special mention...I really don't think you're the SK anymore, but if ritoky isn't, the likelihood is high based on several of your comments during EoD yesterday, and a general sense that you're much more excited to play this game than I've seen from you in the past.
On February 23 2015 13:24 VayneAuthority wrote: just going to point out that it makes no sense to think my point on prphlz is good and not give me the same benefit when i STARTED the wagon, lol.
You underestimate my paranoia, VA. The wagon never got more than two votes, and you bringing it up to "clear" prplhz also clears you be extension. Don't think I missed that xP
Prplhz is also my least certain townread...and you my least certain scumread. So it's not like I'm treating y'all much differently. He's just not the one who brought the defense up, and Palmar's read on him does seem to suggest he may be town.
On February 25 2015 18:07 ritoky wrote: I have sent in my concession, cuz I am in an unwinnable position with cop + prot + confirmed towns.
really frustrating game for me, I feel I played really well and the mafia didn't hold up their end of the bargain. I mean 3 of em basically quit (1 of which got subbed), and for some reason they decided to leave confirmed towns alive forever....would love to see the discussion or lack thereof in their QT about why in the living hell they left so many confirmed alive.
outside of that I had god tier reads for my NKs, except I thought slam was the godfather and rsoul was the cop...woopsy daisy on that 1. also, that case on LS is so fucking good, like legit baller level case am very proud of that. outside of that it was fun, SK is a role with an extremely low probability of winning and I don't enjoy the role anyway; and I felt if like 1 thing had broken my way the entire game i.e. mafia shooting confirmeds, I was f5 bound at least.
GG, sorry about my activity dropoff and the anti-climactic ending, but y'know.....marriage.
You did a great job ritoky lol. Killing Damdy really knocked us back. And me...well, that was just bad luck. For both of us
On February 25 2015 20:27 LightningStrike wrote: Well I'm happy that I have won. Also I see why rsoultin wouldn't sheep me so fast
Lol, LS <3
Buddy, dude, not tryna get you in trouble you goober. Just apologizing cause (at least until the cop claim) they were gonna lynch you blindly o.0 and I kinda feel bad when ppl are so certain i'm town when i'm 100% not lol.
Like, if they didn't already know that Slam had that red check on prplhz you announcing in thread caused way more damage than my pm ever would have -flicks-
I'm sure they already talked to you about it though.
Also, Palmar is 100% right...that Damdy flip made it really hard on Palmar. Best I could do was say cool stuff FF but this guy here is scummier lol ><
I just called TP stupid for CCing there. Why does doc CC on Day 1 anyway? JK/doc, whatever. I just 100% wouldn't. You're useless doing that even if you believe the other guy is mafia. I never understand this.
Like Slam, he played his role perfectly. Didn't bother with CCing the fake cop claims, just kept plugging along.
On February 25 2015 20:27 LightningStrike wrote: Well I'm happy that I have won. Also I see why rsoultin wouldn't sheep me so fast
Lol, LS <3
Buddy, dude, not tryna get you in trouble you goober. Just apologizing cause (at least until the cop claim) they were gonna lynch you blindly o.0 and I kinda feel bad when ppl are so certain i'm town when i'm 100% not lol.
Like, if they didn't already know that Slam had that red check on prplhz you announcing in thread caused way more damage than my pm ever would have -flicks-
I'm sure they already talked to you about it though.
Also, Palmar is 100% right...that Damdy flip made it really hard on Palmar. Best I could do was say cool stuff FF but this guy here is scummier lol ><
The pm itself threw me off like normally no one even pms another player when one of them is dead. I just lost all will to play after that tbh until prplhz got blue checked by Slam. Also Marv talked to me about no worries.
Eh, I have scum guilt lol >< I actually apologized to my team for hard-defending you but I couldn't help it. That case was so BS o.0 Over comma placement I swear ><
lol I almost sheeped it as mafia. like I was fine killing prplhz before the palmar switch, cause even with prplhz as janitor I felt that palmar coulda pulled it out his ass if he bothered to play, but prp was only getting townread for bad reasons that had nothing to do with his play
On February 25 2015 20:27 LightningStrike wrote: Well I'm happy that I have won. Also I see why rsoultin wouldn't sheep me so fast
Lol, LS <3
Buddy, dude, not tryna get you in trouble you goober. Just apologizing cause (at least until the cop claim) they were gonna lynch you blindly o.0 and I kinda feel bad when ppl are so certain i'm town when i'm 100% not lol.
Like, if they didn't already know that Slam had that red check on prplhz you announcing in thread caused way more damage than my pm ever would have -flicks-
I'm sure they already talked to you about it though.
Also, Palmar is 100% right...that Damdy flip made it really hard on Palmar. Best I could do was say cool stuff FF but this guy here is scummier lol ><
The pm itself threw me off like normally no one even pms another player when one of them is dead. I just lost all will to play after that tbh until prplhz got blue checked by Slam. Also Marv talked to me about no worries.
Eh, I have scum guilt lol >< I actually apologized to my team for hard-defending you but I couldn't help it. That case was so BS o.0 Over comma placement I swear ><
You mean to little commas? Also what's so BS about my case?
the case against you with the whole this must be a convo between hts and ls in the scum qt? just friggin way out in left field o.0
EPT
and am happy to ruin your game if you ruined ours
