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On February 18 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: Doesn't matter ls I'm used to you answering me back before I have to say something, why you do this to me. Idk if you are bad or not palmar. It doesn't matter if I think someone you tr could be scum that's like dumb the two aren't dirrectly connected. I think you look fine RS said something that tickles me in a bad way. FF tickles me badly right now. Ls bothers me. Shit while finding context for palmar's filter I found this little gem.. I don't think damdred would start scumming LS at this point if they are aligned. It doesn't feel like he's leaving LS for later but actively trying to get him lynched. Looks like he's saving me for later though! | ||
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On February 15 2015 18:33 Palmar wrote: rayn is mafia Here's a recap on what happened. 1. Palmar does a bunch of townie things (one of those included calling rayn scum for the hts stuff) 2. rayn says "palmar is town" 3. Palmar talks about bluehunting 4. Robik says "palmar is top town because of the bluehunting thing" 5. prplhz points out reading op is not very palmar-like 6. rayn retracts his townread on Palmar The problem here is that rayn ignored everything that had caused him to call me town in the first place. He overrode all lhis previous notions based on what basically amounts to nothing. To answer the question about why I remembered it... idk? I just did? I usually have at least one tab open on page 1 for quick access to filters so I do skim the ops quite often through games. But the important part here is that changing people's mind in mafia is extremely hard. I've gone on rants about how it's always the best idea for mafia to shoot whoever is right because the people who are wrong will keep being wrong. Rayn however seems to have no problem dropping a read that I'd imagine would be pretty central to the way he is approaching the game (he puts value into reading "big name" players) because of basically nothing. Like when rayn thinks he has something, he doesn't just drop it. There was some game where he was convinced prplhz was mafia (prplhz was town) and it took marv and I fucking forever to convince him to drop it and sheep marv onto someone... Toad I think? Like if rayn doesn't believe the bluehunting thing makes me town (like robik does) I would expect him to defer to his earlier reads, not just straight up drop his townread on me. ##vote rayn so now that rayn has flipped town this case seems flimsy at best. The conclusion I'm getting here is that rayn dropping his townread on palmar is scummy. Palmar goes on later to say On February 15 2015 19:38 Palmar wrote: And I want to reiterate, while not quite marv level, rayn should at this point at least be heavily leaning town on me. Like you're assuming he has no read on me when that almost cannot be true. Go read the interaction between robik and rayn regarding hts, and then between me and rayn when I call him out about it and he ends up calling me town. tinfoil hat even says that rayn may have wanted to shut me down looking into him by trying to get me to work with him based on a "yolo-read". Another post where his main suspicion of rayn is that he's not town reading palmar. Since we know rayn was town and palmar admits rayn can read him fairly well, this seems fishy to me. On February 17 2015 08:58 Palmar wrote: Okay, I wanted to be less lazy and do some more tonight, but this is what you get. I mostly want this posted because i'll be super mad at myself if I don't post this and then get shot. rayn I don't know now. Basically yesterday when I wrote the case on him, part of the case was also to gauge his reaction to it. I sort of thought to myself "if he responds with straight up omgus, he's mafia" and "if he actually recognizes that what I'm saying is true and valid, and just argues why it doesn't apply, he might not be mafia". The fact that he just left the thread made me more sure he's mafia, and he came back today and just pulled an OMGUS. Then he went and posted _exactly_ what I would have expected him to post as town. See the bolded. Now I'm not sure. Maybe he's town? If he keeps lynching townies and keeps not having any influence on the lynch, kill him, but I don't think we lynch him tomorrow. ritoky is mafia. Lynch with fire. Besides being completely uninvested and most of his very short filter being chupazi jokes with slam, he actually did suspect rsoultin at some point for what seemed to be reasons he actually believed, then later he posted both a list post with various players that didn't even include rsoultin and a mafia team that didn't either. It's like he forgot she exists which is strange as he in theory already had a read on her. I know all this because it took me well into the night to realize he was even playing so I read his filter. That's how boring his posts were. Town Puppy and Blazinghand are probably town. Someone pointed out that it fits the flavor for there to be two people and there is literally no reason for mafia to fakeclaim that on day 1 (if one of them is 4real mafia just shuts the fuck up and shoots the other in the night). I haven't really read their posts though. IAmRobik probably town, I've gotten more confident reading him lately and somehow his posts in the last few games have been less awful than before. I liked how he acted regarding the HTS claim and I really like his read on me and calling me top town (pro-tip mafia, just call me top town for free townreads). rsoultin is probably town too. I think her interaction with BH early regarding the RNG lynch was pretty much okay. Also despite getting the idea behind my case on rayn completely wrong, I still think she showed an actual interest in it. Her general vibe is also just sort of bubbly/happy which makes her less likely to be mafia. LightningStrike is a wizard. KelsierSC could be mafia. Looks especially worse if rayn turns out to be actually town because that defense was basically unnecessary. And I guess the main thing isn't really the defense, it's the fact that he could easily not have argued with me about the rayn thing and instead really tried to push his own thing. He seemed fine with getting caught up in that despite having just posted his own case. Alakaslam: who knows I thought prplhz was town yesterday. He made the point about me not reading OPs but didn't seem to really jump to conclusions over it. Howerver I sorta feel like he's disappeared and not been much of a factor in the game since then but still. I actually used to pride myself on being basically a prplhz whisperer because I'd always know his alignment. So maybe I'm just shit. Superbia is a hard read atm. I kinda liked his initial vote on rayn because it basically was a bit of a "I don't care" move, and he definitely doesn't have that kinda flash as mafia from what I have seen. Soooo town maybe slightly? Fecalfeast gave me the attention I crave so much. very slight townread. Half the Sky Breshke VayneAuthority No idea, can't remember anything they've posted. (especially for HTS that might be scummy, because I always tend to figure her out as town quite early, I even wrote about how it's a pretty unique skill of hers). This post, too, is weird to me. The read on me is as if he's trying to avoid reading me which is ok, I guess, I hear I'm annoying to read. LS = a wizard which I assume is a townread? Also a townread on prplhz that he sets up to be able to flip-flop on at any moment. On February 18 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote: free townreads for everyone who kills FF!  Damdred stuff On February 18 2015 06:59 Palmar wrote: I don't like people like ff and damdred going after rsou. I think she is pretty clearly town. On February 18 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote: You need to step shit up Damdred. Breshke was not noteworthy and you haven't been either. Why do you scumread a townread of mine, yet think I'm town? On February 18 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote: You think I'm just bad? Now that we know damdred is scum, these posts should make me like palmar more, right? Palmar's filter is all over the place jesus christ On February 18 2015 07:11 Palmar wrote: okay here's the deal damdred. step 1: you deliver a kick-ass case on someone. step 2: I townread you 4lyfe. we good? Another call-out on damdred, and for good reason! Between this post and the next, however, the only "kick-ass case" I can see between these two posts is this: + Show Spoiler [damdred's case] + On February 18 2015 23:38 Damdred wrote: LS you are such an easy read when you do things like this. I can't find a reason that Rayn is town currently, I read his filter last night and this morning to try to get a fresh perspective. There are a couple of red flags in his filter that pop up to me that make me uneasy and make me think that he could potentially be mafia. If you look at his filter you will find that he is not going about this game in the same way that he has in his past games as town. There is very little scum hunting to the extent that I am used to. Usually he sees something scummy and pushes it and the person until they either crack and gets them lynched or yells and screams and gets his person lynched. This is missing this game, look at slytern mafia which is his closest town game in which he had similar time restraints. He pushed his scum reads extremely hard and got his lynched day one and then pressed Sl until he cracked d2 and got him lynched. I don't see the same tenaciousness here. Hes lacking the real drive and impact in the game, hes a behind the scenes type guy in this game. He seems to have several scum reads in the game but drops them pretty quickly. He lacks his normal tunnel on people, for example he calls Palmar mafia at one point for a case on him but never revisits it to my eyes. He doesn't really push any of his scum reads and he is really lurky and back of the bus for Rayn. I think this guy is scum. On February 19 2015 00:08 Palmar wrote: Still there is something off this game. Here's my original list of mafia-like people. raynpelikoneet ritoky VayneAuthority Alakaslam prplhz Fecalfeast I now actually think HTS and Damdred don't really belong on the list. Which leaves only 6 people. Even if we accept that I miss like 1-2 people that means there are 4-5 mafia in this list, and half of them have been busing each other if they are. rayn and prplhz are trying to kill each other, I think ritoky wants to kill FF etc. And I don't even think slam is that scummy at all. So I've definitely given at least 1 mafia a town pass. Yet he's now off the scumlist, also note that although he says "I don't think slam is that scummy at all" he still makes the shitlist instead of damdred. On February 19 2015 04:31 Palmar wrote: If we get this right, team Palmar/Damdred is officially a thing. Farther down the line we start to get into buddy-buddy territory yet the only thing noteworthy from damdred the ENTIRE game is his half-assed case on rayn. On February 19 2015 06:09 Palmar wrote: Like I have no problem with rayn calling prplhz mafia, if he wanted to go for someone on his wagon. Like even if rayn flips town I'm never going to lynch damdred because of this push. So palmar is dead-set on damdred being town. After the day post all palmar has to say about damdred is On February 20 2015 16:39 Palmar wrote: Jesus christ I can't read replacements worth shit. Is this just a personal pride thing? I would imagine at least a 'nice scum game damdred you fooled me' or something. I guess if he had said that it would be an obvious lie, though. Palmar goes on the scummy list for me. | ||
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Also slam I agree that the current trend of insulting people on the internet is disturbing, though I guess I can't really talk since I grew up in the "that's gay" generation. RSO, yeah I am a baddy when it comes to formatting (ironic that the comment on his filter being all over the place is the one out of place) but you don't see how palmar basically set damdred up for a townread and just kinda accepted the first 'case' damdred made? | ||
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On February 21 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote: I apologize, VA. You're right. prplhz actually was voting Breshke at a time where he could have easily become the main wagon, because TP hadn't CCd BH yet. Dumb move for scum. Well, now back to the question of whether or not we should be looking for the SK in particular. He could shoot scum, but if he shoots town we're in trouble. Is this making sense to anyone else, or am I just sleep-deprived? If we look specifically for the SK and lynch town today we are basically handing mafia the game. In 4/3/1 an SK lynch wins for mafia and since mafia only needs 2 townies on the wagon where town needs all 4 or 3+SK on a mafia wagon to get majority. Basically if the SK doesn't shoot mafia they are in the worst position I can imagine | ||
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On February 21 2015 14:42 rsoultin wrote: That's a very good point, ritoky, especially if Palmar was so quick to sheep it that he couldn't have verified it first. Which means checking timestamps. Still need to double-check how good the case is...I only skimmed it, noted it was meta, and voted rayn later for other reasons lol so I didn't do that legwork Day 2. @ritoky, I'll hit your case on LS in the morning, or after work at latest. Still curious about what all goes into your voting analysis though ^^ that wasn't a joke. Bed now, unless anyone still wants to talk to me? The case is in spoilers in my palmar post. I am not ritoky | ||
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On February 21 2015 14:50 Alakaslam wrote: See FF your govt has a lot of oil that we are buying. (My boss is a Canadian). That helps a lot, a lot of folks claim that you pay a bunch of extra taxes but that just isn't true, we pay less but not much less. Now, we could also be exporting oil, but we 1: use way too much 2: won't drill offshore which is where most of ours is 3: won't drill anywhere that might hurt any particular ecosystem 4: won't let our government do the drilling; they are not allowed to own a corporation, supposedly, and besides it would be a hilarious sort of oxymoron as the current environmentalist party is also the current government expansion party. I pay a monthly fee based on my income that gets me a free doctor visit per day as well as emergency/life saving care if I'm not mistaken. I also am aware that the average wait time in a BC emergency room is sometimes 10 hours. Take the good with the bad I guess. Kidney transplant here may be cheap but you'll be on a waiting list longer than your life expectancy. | ||
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On February 21 2015 14:46 rsoultin wrote: I am now calling you ritoky, FF lol >< clearly I need sleep. is it alright if I revisit your work tomorrow? lol I'm not your boss do what you want | ||
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