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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 15:39 GMT
#3088
MYLO scumteams by player (number in parenthesis is the page number they called out that given scumteam)

Palmar (154)
FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz

Rsoultin (153)
prplhz, Ritoky, BH, Super
5th: Slam/HTS/Robik/Damdred

VA (155)
LS, Ritoky, prplhz, Breshke (until rep)
Robik as SK maybe Damdred

HTS (155)
Ritoky, FF, Blazinghand, prphlz
5th: Robik or someone from my tinfoil category

Robik (151, 153)
LS, Blazinghand, Rasputin, TBD

LS (155)
FF, Palmar, Rasputin, Damdred
5th: Ritoky/VA/Robik/Slam/prplhz
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 15:42 GMT
#3091
Okay, you POE town by meta, okay. Rewrite that please, because I was confused.
I am tracking everyone's scumteams for a reason, so I didn't want to miswrite yours.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 15:44 GMT
#3092
So LS scumteam: Ritoky, VA, Robik, Slam, prplhz
Revising...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 15:45 GMT
#3093
Updated
MYLO scumteams by player (number in parenthesis is the page number they called out that given scumteam)

Palmar (154)
FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz

Rsoultin (153)
prplhz, Ritoky, BH, Super
5th: Slam/HTS/Robik/Damdred

VA (155)
LS, Ritoky, prplhz, Breshke (until rep)
Robik as SK maybe Damdred

HTS (155)
Ritoky, FF, Blazinghand, prphlz
5th: Robik or someone from my tinfoil category

Robik (151, 153)
LS, Blazinghand, Rasputin, TBD

LS (155)
Ritoky, VA, Robik, Alakaslam, prplhz
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 15:50 GMT
#3094
My more certain townreads on this list thus far all have Ritoky and prphlz on their lists. That's a good sign so far.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 16:28 GMT
#3096
On February 20 2015 01:20 Alakaslam wrote:
I refuse t make a list post


Do you have a shortlist of scum reads? Possible scumteams (preferably no unflipped association)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 19:07 GMT
#3107
Dear Prince Ludwig the Indestructible,

Please shoot into any of the following Frenchmen tonight: Ritoky, prplhz or Blazinghand.

Your English Sympathiser,
HTS
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 19:09 GMT
#3111
On February 20 2015 04:08 IAmRobik wrote:
NO

Also, you're not allowed to do this shit for obvious fucking reasons.


Er, honest question did I just break a rule?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 23:26 GMT
#3147
On February 20 2015 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
good point rayn was the paragon of reason and usefulness this game oh no wait the opposite of that


I'll be blunt, you aren't categorically much better.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 19 2015 23:27 GMT
#3148
Also BH, you realise there are others(besides VA) suspecting you. There is a reason for that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:17 GMT
#3267
On February 20 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote:
Looks like probably our biggest disconnect is ritoky. He also seems to be your strongest townread. Why am I wrong on him?


Good morning. And Rasputin, it's not just you. Why do you think I'm tallying people's scumteams? We're in mylo and the BS I'm seeing from some people here (notably Ritoky and Blazinghand) tonight is borderline hilarious.

On February 20 2015 00:45 Half the Sky wrote:
Updated
MYLO scumteams by player (number in parenthesis is the page number they called out that given scumteam)

Palmar (154)
FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz

Rsoultin (153)
prplhz, Ritoky, BH, Super
5th: Slam/HTS/Robik/Damdred

VA (155)
LS, Ritoky, prplhz, Breshke (until rep)
Robik as SK maybe Damdred

HTS (155)
Ritoky, FF, Blazinghand, prphlz
5th: Robik or someone from my tinfoil category

Robik (151, 153)
LS, Blazinghand, Rasputin, TBD

LS (155)
Ritoky, VA, Robik, Alakaslam, prplhz


How many people are scumreading Ritoky again? Quite a few people.

There's a reason for that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:17 GMT
#3268
Let's see what else I can tear up here before I have to get ready for work...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:26 GMT
#3273
Several. Regarding the read on LS, as Rasputin said, LS really is the low-hanging fruit, easy to mislynch, just because he's not the most persuasive person in the world. Had similar problems in Carol, and a scum Ritoky seized upon my early incoherence in that game.

Regarding earlier reasons, I already justified my reasons for voteswitches for Ritoky. First off, he accuses me of copying his read on Fecalfeast at the beginning regarding his comfort level. Yet he never went after liancourt who did the EXACT SAME THING after I did and he flipped town. Selective reading on that end.

I also argued earlier this game that Ritoky isolated a post and took it out of context when I switched voting onto Blazinghand earlier D1.

On February 16 2015 08:58 Half the Sky wrote:
I have no idea why Ritoky is scumreading me. I discussed BH's lack of contribution and got on with BH for several posts discussing his RNG and potential non-RNG reasons for scumreading VA before voting him. And then when he claimed, I had a problem with BH's claim that far from the deadline, when he could alternatively read the thread or discuss alternate targets. Context please.


What Ritoky did in his scumread on me was isolate a SINGLE post without considering what I did before and after the post he chose to present in his case. I made my case that a JK claim 10h prior to lynch was not credible, which represents followthrough. He also makes a lot of leaps in logic, particularly with when I discussed the hypothical SK strategy, which YOU ACTUALLY QUESTIONED why Ritoky was pinging me when others made their own theories.

Those are just a few examples, but his leaps in logic have been problematic all game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:27 GMT
#3275
On February 20 2015 13:21 Superbia wrote:
In fact, HtS, who on that list-list are you scum-reading?


"list-list" as in my list or Rasputin's?

We have Ritoky and prplhz in common as scumreads if you mean the latter.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:28 GMT
#3276
On February 20 2015 13:19 Superbia wrote:
Like the amount of people scum reading Ritoky has nothing to do with his alignment. A lot of people were scum-reading Rayn, a lot of people were scum-reading lian. You can't use that metric as an excuse to read someone scum.


My differentiation between the "lot" of people scumreading someone is not THAT they were scumreading someone but the WHY they were doing this.

Who was misguided and who is misleading? That's the question I'm trying to answer with my reads.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:32 GMT
#3277
On February 20 2015 12:56 Superbia wrote:
So HtS made a case earlier on FF which she then easily abandoned to sheep a case on Rayn. I don't believe a townie would put so much time/energy into a case on someone just to easily abandon it like she did. But on the other hand she has put a lot of time into the game. Mafia pile bc yolo.


Also Robik questioned me on the same thing, and I'll tell you the same thing I told him. Read page 41 and read my exchange with Rayn from pages 29-30. You will see why I am scumreading him from the VERY BEGINNING.

I had a scumread on Rayn and presented several points on him on page 41. So your point on me abandoning to sheep a case on Rayn is completely invalid. As I pointed out to either Ritoky or FF (I cannot remember which one) I was the LAST one off Fecalfeast. And when Rayn became even more active, he actually gave me even more material to work with in presenting further cases on him based on his approach to his reads versus what actually happened - and I presented contrasting points on those.

So you need to read my filter again, because we're in mylo and yolo reads in mylo are extremely dangerous.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:33 GMT
#3278
EBWOP - might have been Robik I explained the vote switch to, but the point remains. I was questioned on that several times and I responded as such.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:35 GMT
#3279
Additionally when Robik questioned me on why I was eager to switch my vote, I responded with consolidation. Again, note that I was the last person off Fecalfeast. I am intelligent enough to know when a vote loses traction. In my eyes it was going from scum to scum at that time. My cases on both should speak for with the conviction.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:42 GMT
#3287
On February 20 2015 13:39 Superbia wrote:
Also the fact that prplhz is at the end of many people's lists is somewhat intriguing.


No one specified preference when I took down people's lists from what I recall, at least not until Rasputin's latest post.
"End" means nothing, scum is scum unless the person actually states a rank/preference.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 20 2015 04:55 GMT
#3295
On February 20 2015 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2015 13:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Additionally when Robik questioned me on why I was eager to switch my vote, I responded with consolidation. Again, note that I was the last person off Fecalfeast. I am intelligent enough to know when a vote loses traction. In my eyes it was going from scum to scum at that time. My cases on both should speak for with the conviction.


You're still scumreading FF...do you think his wagon would have formed that fast if he was mafia? That's actually part of the reason that I think if he's scum, he's probably the SK. Also, what do you think of his participation so far Night 2?


This is a fair question. To be honest - and I'll just say it now - based on his reads - I was sure that Ritoky was the SK actually for awhile when he was scumreading FF and Rayn, but now I'm not so sure.

You have a point on the formation of the wagon. Offhand, IIRC Palmar just jumped on it right away but I recall him putting FF on his lynchables list as he did me. The progression seemed logical at that time. Damdred straight up sheeped coming off straight replacement when many (including myself) were doubting Breshke's participation. At that time I meta read Breshke at scum because in his scum reads he presented scum reads RIGHT at the end of day, and he wasn't solid in his reads most of D1 before replacement.

Slam and LS sheeped as well, and LS made a claim at the time that he felt that FF should know his play better but I think he rescinded that. I need to check LS's filter one more time. The jumps in logic were my problem when he made his reads on me and his interaction in the whole LS thing just a few hours ago almost reconfirms how I felt earlier, I felt quite uneasy on that, but Ritoky and Blazinghand's behaviour in all that exchange raised a massive red flag, to be honest, FF paled in comparison to those two. My reaction was just.....holy shit. Like BH you are a bloody idiot if you are not scum.

But on FF, it was just sheeping entirely.

On February 20 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well, You have my vote-sword BH and ritoky.


He made that nuke comment and hardly anything in that exchange as Ritoky and BH overshadowed him.

Right now, I would be pushing Ritoky and prplhz over FF largely honestly given the list I compiled - this late and in mylo, the reads on townies should be somewhat similar and converging.

Should scum flip I would be trying to work off what I had on those people.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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