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On February 09 2015 05:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 geript wrote:On February 09 2015 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:31 geript wrote:On February 08 2015 10:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't feel like your point on his opening post was one I would follow: I just don't see the value in trying to lynch someone for goofing off at the beginning of the game. I feel like he's taking a bunch of unnecessary heat in terms of how people are jumping on him (why aren't you doing anything, how can I townread you if you're not doing anything, etc etc) and I don't really see how that can be held against him.
I think the pressure on Keirathi is somewhat unwarranted. I've been in the same spot as him multiple times and I can see the same kind of thing happening to him right now.
(I'm aware that there are other points against him out there supposedly, but I didn't think highly of them either.) This post is as far from a townread on Keir as anything could be. This is not a townread on Keir and it's the closest you have in your meta. Essentially you're saying, "the reasons for pushing/wagoning him are bad." Some of the reasons are (overly defensive) and some of them aren't (I'm clearly town why aren't you reading me that way vs how could I read you as clearly town). Overall, though, the points against are semi-compelling; there are reasons to townread him for completely separate reasons. You don't get there anywhere in your filter. Looking elsewhere and saying some of the pressure is unwarranted isn't a townread. Bye bye scum. You done fucked up. Now you die. I don't understand the point on my meta. I don't like lynching people for bad reasons and, if the reasons are bad, it makes me believe that the lynch is a bad lynch. How is that not a townread or any other kind of read, for that matter? I don't see how you thinking Keirathi is town should have any impact on my read on you. Bad reasons = bad lynch? WTF? Seriously. Bad reasons are bad reasons. The number of times I've seen mafia lynched for god awful reasons I can't even remember. Like, "oh X person clearly just told his mafia teammates to bus him so let's lynch him." No. "X person didn't post within the first 5 minutes of a game (when X person was clearly asleep). Let's lynch them." No. Just like bad reasons don't make someone mafia, they don't make someone town. Like that's complete bullshit. Please continue to lie and bullshit around. I don't think about the game the same way you do.
I never fault people for thinking about the game differently from me. Never is. You're literally just spewing bullshit that makes absolutely zero sense. These are things that you are reasonable enough to know are bullshit. How does me having 6 people in my "mafia circle" in any way make any sense if I'm mafia? Especially, when I've flat out stated why I can be wrong on multiples. Especially when I've pointed out why I think each of those people are mafia. Especially when I've pointed out why each of those people are questionable? How does me calling every idiot who's made a god awful idiotic read mafia make any sense as any alignment? Like clearly not every idiot can be mafia; clearly not every idiotic read can come from mafia. You're literally voting for someone who according to your filter is forgettable and meh while saying X other person who has too many people and can't think they're all mafia is probably mafia make any sense?
You haven't gotten to a townread on Keir and have just essentially ignored the wagon for godawful and likely made up reasons. You've voted for someone who is lynchbait at best. You're trying to mafia read the most clearly obviously towny motherfucker from his first fucking post for fucking terrible reasons. You know who does that shit? Mafia. Because they don't fucking know how to fucking read anyone because they're not fucking town.
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On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
Gob is defending your wagon and attacking rayn. not cool.
Okay good. How does that make him scum? Does it make him more or less scum if I am town? Does it make rayn more or less town if I am town?
On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
oh and ur first ever real read was slam...? who reads slam on d1? one does not read slam, the slam must first allow it.
Quit being facetious, it's unbecoming. How does slam being my first read make me scum? Why wouldn't I have the same impression of Slam's post if I'm town?
You're still just blowing smoke up people's asses.
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On February 09 2015 05:53 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well that's somewhat unfair. I've caught mafia before unpressured.
Though it would be nice to not get run through the meatgrinder for once. you need incentive to play someone to slap and whip you around like a....
I don't, though. I really don't.
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On February 09 2015 05:56 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:48 geript wrote:On February 09 2015 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:31 geript wrote:On February 08 2015 10:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't feel like your point on his opening post was one I would follow: I just don't see the value in trying to lynch someone for goofing off at the beginning of the game. I feel like he's taking a bunch of unnecessary heat in terms of how people are jumping on him (why aren't you doing anything, how can I townread you if you're not doing anything, etc etc) and I don't really see how that can be held against him.
I think the pressure on Keirathi is somewhat unwarranted. I've been in the same spot as him multiple times and I can see the same kind of thing happening to him right now.
(I'm aware that there are other points against him out there supposedly, but I didn't think highly of them either.) This post is as far from a townread on Keir as anything could be. This is not a townread on Keir and it's the closest you have in your meta. Essentially you're saying, "the reasons for pushing/wagoning him are bad." Some of the reasons are (overly defensive) and some of them aren't (I'm clearly town why aren't you reading me that way vs how could I read you as clearly town). Overall, though, the points against are semi-compelling; there are reasons to townread him for completely separate reasons. You don't get there anywhere in your filter. Looking elsewhere and saying some of the pressure is unwarranted isn't a townread. Bye bye scum. You done fucked up. Now you die. I don't understand the point on my meta. I don't like lynching people for bad reasons and, if the reasons are bad, it makes me believe that the lynch is a bad lynch. How is that not a townread or any other kind of read, for that matter? I don't see how you thinking Keirathi is town should have any impact on my read on you. Bad reasons = bad lynch? WTF? Seriously. Bad reasons are bad reasons. The number of times I've seen mafia lynched for god awful reasons I can't even remember. Like, "oh X person clearly just told his mafia teammates to bus him so let's lynch him." No. "X person didn't post within the first 5 minutes of a game (when X person was clearly asleep). Let's lynch them." No. Just like bad reasons don't make someone mafia, they don't make someone town. Like that's complete bullshit. Please continue to lie and bullshit around. I don't think about the game the same way you do. I never fault people for thinking about the game differently from me. Never is. You're literally just spewing bullshit that makes absolutely zero sense. These are things that you are reasonable enough to know are bullshit. How does me having 6 people in my "mafia circle" in any way make any sense if I'm mafia? Especially, when I've flat out stated why I can be wrong on multiples. Especially when I've pointed out why I think each of those people are mafia. Especially when I've pointed out why each of those people are questionable? How does me calling every idiot who's made a god awful idiotic read mafia make any sense as any alignment? Like clearly not every idiot can be mafia; clearly not every idiotic read can come from mafia. You're literally voting for someone who according to your filter is forgettable and meh while saying X other person who has too many people and can't think they're all mafia is probably mafia make any sense? You haven't gotten to a townread on Keir and have just essentially ignored the wagon for godawful and likely made up reasons. You've voted for someone who is lynchbait at best. You're trying to mafia read the most clearly obviously towny motherfucker from his first fucking post for fucking terrible reasons. You know who does that shit? Mafia. Because they don't fucking know how to fucking read anyone because they're not fucking town.
The examples you've provided aren't the same thing I'm talking about either. Both of yours are one-liners that nobody will ever take seriously, and even then, they're in a vacuum: who is pushing them and why? What kinds of players are pushing him?
I'm looking at the game as a whole and seeing if Keirathi's lynch makes sense. It looked like a bunch of people were jumping on him over little based on things that don't really warrant a lynch and I don't want to lynch him. I think it's far more likely that he's town based off of this nonsensical push.
That, and the rest of his filter looks kind of okay. Scumhunting and such.
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Your main issue with me is "he can't read him properly" which is answered by "I'm not reading him the same way you are."
That's what I'm gleaning from this conversation.
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I don't get the ows lynch that geript wants atm.
Also geript some people answered your questions and made cases and you didn't mentionsnything. Your lack of follow up or lack of commenting on some things is interesting
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Canada11355 Posts
Liancourt is scum
On February 08 2015 06:59 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) raynpelikoneet
2) geript
3) Onegu
4) Fecalfeast
5) liancourt this is yolo and based on shit reasons but i believe it
6) ObiWanShinobi
7) gobbledydook
8) Keirathi
9) Damdred
10) LoneMeow
11) sicklucker
12) Alakaslam
13) LightningStrike
now geript towntell and we ein already. yolo reads is best reads
list post with 1000 townreads early D1 and all he comments on is the read on him
On February 08 2015 08:13 liancourt wrote:
i have a tingly feeling inside and it says SL is town
Dumb reason to townread someone and also his first presented read of the game. A tingly feeling
On February 08 2015 08:39 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 08 2015 08:26 liancourt wrote:On February 08 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:On February 08 2015 08:18 liancourt wrote:
i dont see how looking at out of context posts helps us play this game. You could have posted scummy posts when you were town. You could have posted townie posts when you were scum. Scum don't post scummy posts all the time and town don't post townie posts all the time. What is the purpose of this lol He also got to handpick the ones that he felt were hardes to read... It spent like 30 minutes getting them between posts exactly my point. anyone else who has played with keira i need a second opinion. Is he a good scumhunter or does he play like this usually? now seriously. I have told you the answer like 5 times already. what difference does it make what people answer? you were my first opinion lol i need a second opinion apart from you lol
So he doesn't have an opinion of his own on keir? That's weird because in his NEXT POST HE SAYS THIS:
On February 08 2015 08:51 liancourt wrote:
like if you're town you have a whole 2 days to scum hunt. Looking at the DB you dont seem to look like a good mafia player. You got lynched by town in the previous 2 scum games and you've been night killed pretty early on when you were town which means you are a better town playe rthan a scum player. You should be an obvious townread right? And like you said you have never been mled which means you either bled town in those games or failed to do so and got lynched as mafia. You are current bleeding mafia.
"You are current[sic] bleeding mafia" yet no vote or any real pressure to follow up a statement like that.
On February 09 2015 04:42 liancourt wrote:
slow sunday
i like the 2 wagons atm. This game could have been really hard, but for some reason it looks like it's going in the right direction. Kudos to town
I think I have a different definition of wagon but, what? Assuming you mean the two players who had 2 votes at the time of this post, what have you done to prove this? You haven't said one word about gobbledydook at this point and you came to the conclusion that keir is 'bleeding mafia' and have yet to vote. If you like both wagons why are you not on either?
On February 09 2015 05:10 liancourt wrote:
my being happy about the 2 wagons make me mafia? ok it's your logic. I know you are prone to be actually more illogical when you're town so you're a townread just for that lol
What do you think of the 2 wagons then?
dumb townread followed up by more dumb townpoints which have been discussed already.
Liancourt is just following thread discussion without bringing anything new to the table. He even admits to not having an opinion on keir, then follows it up with a definitive sounding read which he never acts upon or follows up. Then going on to say he likes the gobbledydook 'wagon' after literally not mentioning the guy at all? Mafia
##vote liancourt
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On February 09 2015 05:57 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
Gob is defending your wagon and attacking rayn. not cool. Okay good. How does that make him scum? Does it make him more or less scum if I am town? Does it make rayn more or less town if I am town? Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
oh and ur first ever real read was slam...? who reads slam on d1? one does not read slam, the slam must first allow it. Quit being facetious, it's unbecoming. How does slam being my first read make me scum? Why wouldn't I have the same impression of Slam's post if I'm town? You're still just blowing smoke up people's asses.
mafia defending a wagon instead of scum hunting. Associative reads rly? More associative reads when ur unflipped...no.
Makes you look like u have a read when u actually really dont. These questions...what are these meant to achieve?
If is a very big word. Maybe using it too lightly here.
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is that a case just for the sake of making a case?
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Canada11355 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:20 liancourt wrote:
is that a case just for the sake of making a case?
Is this post just for the sake of making a post?
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in my defense i'm bringing "nothing new to the table" cos i like how town was going on keira and gob. Dont know why an obi wagon suddenly popped up.
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On February 09 2015 06:16 Fecalfeast wrote:Liancourt is scum Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 06:59 liancourt wrote:On February 08 2015 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) raynpelikoneet
2) geript
3) Onegu
4) Fecalfeast
5) liancourt this is yolo and based on shit reasons but i believe it
6) ObiWanShinobi
7) gobbledydook
8) Keirathi
9) Damdred
10) LoneMeow
11) sicklucker
12) Alakaslam
13) LightningStrike
now geript towntell and we ein already. yolo reads is best reads list post with 1000 townreads early D1 and all he comments on is the read on him Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 08:13 liancourt wrote:
i have a tingly feeling inside and it says SL is town Dumb reason to townread someone and also his first presented read of the game. A tingly feeling Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 08:39 liancourt wrote:On February 08 2015 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 08 2015 08:26 liancourt wrote:On February 08 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:On February 08 2015 08:18 liancourt wrote:
i dont see how looking at out of context posts helps us play this game. You could have posted scummy posts when you were town. You could have posted townie posts when you were scum. Scum don't post scummy posts all the time and town don't post townie posts all the time. What is the purpose of this lol He also got to handpick the ones that he felt were hardes to read... It spent like 30 minutes getting them between posts exactly my point. anyone else who has played with keira i need a second opinion. Is he a good scumhunter or does he play like this usually? now seriously. I have told you the answer like 5 times already. what difference does it make what people answer? you were my first opinion lol i need a second opinion apart from you lol So he doesn't have an opinion of his own on keir? That's weird because in his NEXT POST HE SAYS THIS: Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 08:51 liancourt wrote:
like if you're town you have a whole 2 days to scum hunt. Looking at the DB you dont seem to look like a good mafia player. You got lynched by town in the previous 2 scum games and you've been night killed pretty early on when you were town which means you are a better town playe rthan a scum player. You should be an obvious townread right? And like you said you have never been mled which means you either bled town in those games or failed to do so and got lynched as mafia. You are current bleeding mafia. "You are current[sic] bleeding mafia" yet no vote or any real pressure to follow up a statement like that. Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:42 liancourt wrote:
slow sunday
i like the 2 wagons atm. This game could have been really hard, but for some reason it looks like it's going in the right direction. Kudos to town I think I have a different definition of wagon but, what? Assuming you mean the two players who had 2 votes at the time of this post, what have you done to prove this? You haven't said one word about gobbledydook at this point and you came to the conclusion that keir is 'bleeding mafia' and have yet to vote. If you like both wagons why are you not on either? Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:10 liancourt wrote:
my being happy about the 2 wagons make me mafia? ok it's your logic. I know you are prone to be actually more illogical when you're town so you're a townread just for that lol
What do you think of the 2 wagons then? dumb townread followed up by more dumb townpoints which have been discussed already. Liancourt is just following thread discussion without bringing anything new to the table. He even admits to not having an opinion on keir, then follows it up with a definitive sounding read which he never acts upon or follows up. Then going on to say he likes the gobbledydook 'wagon' after literally not mentioning the guy at all? Mafia ##vote liancourt
My problem is lian is like always lynchbait from what I have seen, can you give your other reads.
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On February 09 2015 06:24 LoneMeow wrote:
Hi.
Hijole!!!
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On February 09 2015 06:16 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:57 Keirathi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
Gob is defending your wagon and attacking rayn. not cool. Okay good. How does that make him scum? Does it make him more or less scum if I am town? Does it make rayn more or less town if I am town? On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
oh and ur first ever real read was slam...? who reads slam on d1? one does not read slam, the slam must first allow it. Quit being facetious, it's unbecoming. How does slam being my first read make me scum? Why wouldn't I have the same impression of Slam's post if I'm town? You're still just blowing smoke up people's asses. mafia defending a wagon instead of scum hunting. Associative reads rly? More associative reads when ur unflipped...no. Makes you look like u have a read when u actually really dont. These questions...what are these meant to achieve?If is a very big word. Maybe using it too lightly here.
HOLY FUCK I JUST WANT YOU TO ACTUALLY THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT THE GAME INSTEAD OF SHEEPING EVERYONE ELSES ARGUMENTS>
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Vote Count
Keirathi (2): raynpelikoneet, sicklucker
ObiWanShinobi (2): geript, Onegu
liancourt (2): ObiwanShinobi, FecalFeast
gobbledydook (1): Damdred
Not voting (6): iancourt, gobbledydook, LoneMeow, alakaslam, LightningStrike, Keirathi
Currently, Keirathi is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 20:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminders: Votes are done in the voting thread (link). Make sure to unvote if you want to vote someone new. Voting is mandatory-- you may not abstain.
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there hasnt been a game where i havent been scum read by multiple ppl on d1. I shrug it off its happened so many times. It felt kinda odd being tr earlier today. I feel at home now
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Ff made a decent case. Good conclusions and proofs. He has one great point in it actually the bleeding mafia but no vote is interesting. Think I'm more confident in town!ff.
What do you think of the other cases ff on gobble etc.
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OMG CAN PEOPLE STOP WRITING TOWN!FF OR SCUM!LIAN. YOUR DRIVING ME INSANELY!!!
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On February 09 2015 06:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:16 liancourt wrote:On February 09 2015 05:57 Keirathi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
Gob is defending your wagon and attacking rayn. not cool. Okay good. How does that make him scum? Does it make him more or less scum if I am town? Does it make rayn more or less town if I am town? On February 09 2015 05:19 liancourt wrote:
oh and ur first ever real read was slam...? who reads slam on d1? one does not read slam, the slam must first allow it. Quit being facetious, it's unbecoming. How does slam being my first read make me scum? Why wouldn't I have the same impression of Slam's post if I'm town? You're still just blowing smoke up people's asses. mafia defending a wagon instead of scum hunting. Associative reads rly? More associative reads when ur unflipped...no. Makes you look like u have a read when u actually really dont. These questions...what are these meant to achieve?If is a very big word. Maybe using it too lightly here. HOLY FUCK I JUST WANT YOU TO ACTUALLY THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT THE GAME INSTEAD OF SHEEPING EVERYONE ELSES ARGUMENTS>
well when i agree with everything thats been said i can sheep and lynch mafia. It's the times when I don't agree with with someone I start to think "critically". Like I said before I liked the way the town was heading and I felt good about this town. Why would I break that calmness and start shitting up the thread by accusing someone else when I really think the 2 wagons were good.
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