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On February 08 2015 10:27 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 10:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm around.
Don't like the Keirathi wagon too much but I'm struggling to find an alternative right now. Why not? I can't imagine anyone possibly having a (good) reason to think that I'm town right now.
It's just the way I think of the game. I wouldn't necessarily call you town based off of what you've posted, but that's besides the point because that's not how or why I lynch people.
I think of mafia as a big story. If a lynch doesn't make sense to me/the reasons are lame, then I generally write that off as a bad lynch and try to find an alternative; ergo, I don't want to be on the Keirathi wagon because that doesn't make sense to me.
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I didn't feel like your point on his opening post was one I would follow: I just don't see the value in trying to lynch someone for goofing off at the beginning of the game. I feel like he's taking a bunch of unnecessary heat in terms of how people are jumping on him (why aren't you doing anything, how can I townread you if you're not doing anything, etc etc) and I don't really see how that can be held against him.
I think the pressure on Keirathi is somewhat unwarranted. I've been in the same spot as him multiple times and I can see the same kind of thing happening to him right now.
(I'm aware that there are other points against him out there supposedly, but I didn't think highly of them either.)
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^ Above aimed at rayn.
If I had to give a better scumread right now, I'd probably drop SL's name instead. I think he's voting people for rather mediocre reasons and his scumreads are a bit hazier than I would like.
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On February 09 2015 02:34 sicklucker wrote:
where the hell is lonemeow?
LM is always kind of lurky and spotty.
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On February 09 2015 03:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 02:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 09 2015 02:34 sicklucker wrote:
where the hell is lonemeow? LM is always kind of lurky and spotty. You got anything else for us?
Later prbs. I don't really feel like posting right now.
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I have completely forgotten that lian was in this game.
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##vote lian
Would also be willing to wagon geript for his list post. He has 4 people in his questionable pile in yet questions none of them and seems to be perfectly fine with the players giving reads he thinks are unacceptable. There's no way for him to think that all 4 of those players are mafia, in yet he doesn't bother to consult any of them or sort any of it out despite already having two people in his scumlist.
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I find it hard to believe that you would think both competing wagons are mafia.
Eh, when I type it out I feel less confident in it but I still think it's weird.
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On February 09 2015 05:10 liancourt wrote:
my being happy about the 2 wagons make me mafia? ok it's your logic. I know you are prone to be actually more illogical when you're town so you're a townread just for that lol
What do you think of the 2 wagons then?
/shrug
That's the best basis I have for my vote right now. I don't like the Keirathi wagon and I'm kind of "eh" on the gobbeldy wagon.
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On February 09 2015 05:15 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
##vote lian
Would also be willing to wagon geript for his list post. He has 4 people in his questionable pile in yet questions none of them and seems to be perfectly fine with the players giving reads he thinks are unacceptable. There's no way for him to think that all 4 of those players are mafia, in yet he doesn't bother to consult any of them or sort any of it out despite already having two people in his scumlist. How is me getting an aneurism about all these stupid reads that have been thrown out me being ok with those people? How is me having 4 people in the questionable pile but not questioning any of them because there's actually nothing worthwhile asking them in any way scummy? How can you possibly think that me having 4 questionable and 2 scum reads odd? Especially when I've been upfront that my mafia reads may still be wrong. Explain your shit because it's the dumbest or scumest shit in the thread so far. Like you've played long enough and with me enough to know that what you posted is worse than newbie level. Because this is so inane and fucktarded that I can only assume you're mafia.
Uhm. Sure. Okay.
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I said I don't like the Kier wagon. I've even went out and hard defended him. How is that not a read?
I'm not even the only person that had the same issue with your list post. Why am I your current focus?
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Scratch the second question because I know why.
First one still stands.
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I don't see how I'm being "counter logical."
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On February 09 2015 05:31 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 10:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't feel like your point on his opening post was one I would follow: I just don't see the value in trying to lynch someone for goofing off at the beginning of the game. I feel like he's taking a bunch of unnecessary heat in terms of how people are jumping on him (why aren't you doing anything, how can I townread you if you're not doing anything, etc etc) and I don't really see how that can be held against him.
I think the pressure on Keirathi is somewhat unwarranted. I've been in the same spot as him multiple times and I can see the same kind of thing happening to him right now.
(I'm aware that there are other points against him out there supposedly, but I didn't think highly of them either.) This post is as far from a townread on Keir as anything could be. This is not a townread on Keir and it's the closest you have in your meta. Essentially you're saying, "the reasons for pushing/wagoning him are bad." Some of the reasons are (overly defensive) and some of them aren't (I'm clearly town why aren't you reading me that way vs how could I read you as clearly town). Overall, though, the points against are semi-compelling; there are reasons to townread him for completely separate reasons. You don't get there anywhere in your filter. Looking elsewhere and saying some of the pressure is unwarranted isn't a townread. Bye bye scum. You done fucked up. Now you die.
I don't understand the point on my meta.
I don't like lynching people for bad reasons and, if the reasons are bad, it makes me believe that the lynch is a bad lynch. How is that not a townread or any other kind of read, for that matter?
I don't see how you thinking Keirathi is town should have any impact on my read on you.
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Well that's somewhat unfair. I've caught mafia before unpressured.
Though it would be nice to not get run through the meatgrinder for once.
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On February 09 2015 05:48 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:31 geript wrote:On February 08 2015 10:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't feel like your point on his opening post was one I would follow: I just don't see the value in trying to lynch someone for goofing off at the beginning of the game. I feel like he's taking a bunch of unnecessary heat in terms of how people are jumping on him (why aren't you doing anything, how can I townread you if you're not doing anything, etc etc) and I don't really see how that can be held against him.
I think the pressure on Keirathi is somewhat unwarranted. I've been in the same spot as him multiple times and I can see the same kind of thing happening to him right now.
(I'm aware that there are other points against him out there supposedly, but I didn't think highly of them either.) This post is as far from a townread on Keir as anything could be. This is not a townread on Keir and it's the closest you have in your meta. Essentially you're saying, "the reasons for pushing/wagoning him are bad." Some of the reasons are (overly defensive) and some of them aren't (I'm clearly town why aren't you reading me that way vs how could I read you as clearly town). Overall, though, the points against are semi-compelling; there are reasons to townread him for completely separate reasons. You don't get there anywhere in your filter. Looking elsewhere and saying some of the pressure is unwarranted isn't a townread. Bye bye scum. You done fucked up. Now you die. I don't understand the point on my meta. I don't like lynching people for bad reasons and, if the reasons are bad, it makes me believe that the lynch is a bad lynch. How is that not a townread or any other kind of read, for that matter? I don't see how you thinking Keirathi is town should have any impact on my read on you. Bad reasons = bad lynch? WTF? Seriously. Bad reasons are bad reasons. The number of times I've seen mafia lynched for god awful reasons I can't even remember. Like, "oh X person clearly just told his mafia teammates to bus him so let's lynch him." No. "X person didn't post within the first 5 minutes of a game (when X person was clearly asleep). Let's lynch them." No. Just like bad reasons don't make someone mafia, they don't make someone town. Like that's complete bullshit. Please continue to lie and bullshit around.
I don't think about the game the same way you do.
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On February 09 2015 05:53 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well that's somewhat unfair. I've caught mafia before unpressured.
Though it would be nice to not get run through the meatgrinder for once. you need incentive to play someone to slap and whip you around like a....
I don't, though. I really don't.
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On February 09 2015 05:56 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:48 geript wrote:On February 09 2015 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On February 09 2015 05:31 geript wrote:On February 08 2015 10:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't feel like your point on his opening post was one I would follow: I just don't see the value in trying to lynch someone for goofing off at the beginning of the game. I feel like he's taking a bunch of unnecessary heat in terms of how people are jumping on him (why aren't you doing anything, how can I townread you if you're not doing anything, etc etc) and I don't really see how that can be held against him.
I think the pressure on Keirathi is somewhat unwarranted. I've been in the same spot as him multiple times and I can see the same kind of thing happening to him right now.
(I'm aware that there are other points against him out there supposedly, but I didn't think highly of them either.) This post is as far from a townread on Keir as anything could be. This is not a townread on Keir and it's the closest you have in your meta. Essentially you're saying, "the reasons for pushing/wagoning him are bad." Some of the reasons are (overly defensive) and some of them aren't (I'm clearly town why aren't you reading me that way vs how could I read you as clearly town). Overall, though, the points against are semi-compelling; there are reasons to townread him for completely separate reasons. You don't get there anywhere in your filter. Looking elsewhere and saying some of the pressure is unwarranted isn't a townread. Bye bye scum. You done fucked up. Now you die. I don't understand the point on my meta. I don't like lynching people for bad reasons and, if the reasons are bad, it makes me believe that the lynch is a bad lynch. How is that not a townread or any other kind of read, for that matter? I don't see how you thinking Keirathi is town should have any impact on my read on you. Bad reasons = bad lynch? WTF? Seriously. Bad reasons are bad reasons. The number of times I've seen mafia lynched for god awful reasons I can't even remember. Like, "oh X person clearly just told his mafia teammates to bus him so let's lynch him." No. "X person didn't post within the first 5 minutes of a game (when X person was clearly asleep). Let's lynch them." No. Just like bad reasons don't make someone mafia, they don't make someone town. Like that's complete bullshit. Please continue to lie and bullshit around. I don't think about the game the same way you do. I never fault people for thinking about the game differently from me. Never is. You're literally just spewing bullshit that makes absolutely zero sense. These are things that you are reasonable enough to know are bullshit. How does me having 6 people in my "mafia circle" in any way make any sense if I'm mafia? Especially, when I've flat out stated why I can be wrong on multiples. Especially when I've pointed out why I think each of those people are mafia. Especially when I've pointed out why each of those people are questionable? How does me calling every idiot who's made a god awful idiotic read mafia make any sense as any alignment? Like clearly not every idiot can be mafia; clearly not every idiotic read can come from mafia. You're literally voting for someone who according to your filter is forgettable and meh while saying X other person who has too many people and can't think they're all mafia is probably mafia make any sense? You haven't gotten to a townread on Keir and have just essentially ignored the wagon for godawful and likely made up reasons. You've voted for someone who is lynchbait at best. You're trying to mafia read the most clearly obviously towny motherfucker from his first fucking post for fucking terrible reasons. You know who does that shit? Mafia. Because they don't fucking know how to fucking read anyone because they're not fucking town.
The examples you've provided aren't the same thing I'm talking about either. Both of yours are one-liners that nobody will ever take seriously, and even then, they're in a vacuum: who is pushing them and why? What kinds of players are pushing him?
I'm looking at the game as a whole and seeing if Keirathi's lynch makes sense. It looked like a bunch of people were jumping on him over little based on things that don't really warrant a lynch and I don't want to lynch him. I think it's far more likely that he's town based off of this nonsensical push.
That, and the rest of his filter looks kind of okay. Scumhunting and such.
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