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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 03 2015 18:27 GMT
#21
Wow, that's actually very surprising. I thought IML really strongly favored town, but apparently it favors scum unless hapa rolls town. I'll have to reevaluate my thoughts on IML balance.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 03 2015 18:29 GMT
#22
I feel like I'm the only one not surprised. Lol

Think about how much shit happens at EOD and how much more shit almost happens, and then realize that in IML, you have no idea when EOD actually is. I feel like that speaks for itself
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2015 18:30 GMT
#23
people are way more jumpy in iml to lynch people instead of discussing things out fully and lynching the best targets
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 03 2015 18:31 GMT
#24
On February 04 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow, that's actually very surprising. I thought IML really strongly favored town, but apparently it favors scum unless hapa rolls town. I'll have to reevaluate my thoughts on IML balance.

I think it favours town as long as town is well organized and you don't have people doing their own thing. It might be a snowball effect; if town plays well IML greatly favors them, if they don't it's strong against them.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 03 2015 18:33 GMT
#25
On February 04 2015 03:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one not surprised. Lol

Think about how much shit happens at EOD and how much more shit almost happens, and then realize that in IML, you have no idea when EOD actually is. I feel like that speaks for itself


This makes me feel like town players just don't know how to exploit IML to their favor as opposed to the format itself being hard for town.

It's just so easy for a town to string a day out, discuss things thoroughly, and just grind down a mafia team into submission. Controlling the time of a lynch is an extremely powerful tool.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 03 2015 18:47 GMT
#26
On February 04 2015 03:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 03:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one not surprised. Lol

Think about how much shit happens at EOD and how much more shit almost happens, and then realize that in IML, you have no idea when EOD actually is. I feel like that speaks for itself


This makes me feel like town players just don't know how to exploit IML to their favor as opposed to the format itself being hard for town.

It's just so easy for a town to string a day out, discuss things thoroughly, and just grind down a mafia team into submission. Controlling the time of a lynch is an extremely powerful tool.


I really like IML but getting the bolded to work in practice is insanely hard
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 03 2015 18:48 GMT
#27
On February 04 2015 03:47 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 03:33 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 04 2015 03:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one not surprised. Lol

Think about how much shit happens at EOD and how much more shit almost happens, and then realize that in IML, you have no idea when EOD actually is. I feel like that speaks for itself


This makes me feel like town players just don't know how to exploit IML to their favor as opposed to the format itself being hard for town.

It's just so easy for a town to string a day out, discuss things thoroughly, and just grind down a mafia team into submission. Controlling the time of a lynch is an extremely powerful tool.


I really like IML but getting the bolded to work in practice is insanely hard


I don't think so. None of the games I won were with insanely active towns.

It was largely a leader or two in the town organizing discussion and getting a lynch pushed.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 03 2015 19:48 GMT
#28
On February 04 2015 03:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow, that's actually very surprising. I thought IML really strongly favored town, but apparently it favors scum unless hapa rolls town. I'll have to reevaluate my thoughts on IML balance.

I think it favours town as long as town is well organized and you don't have people doing their own thing. It might be a snowball effect; if town plays well IML greatly favors them, if they don't it's strong against them.

That's probably true. I've always thought of IML as a pro-town setup (since you can wait for lurkers to come back, or hammer obvious scum quickly rather than waste time), but all of this requires leadership or cohesion to exist. An organized town benefits greatly. The issue is, your typical town is not well-organized.

On February 04 2015 03:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 03:47 Damdred wrote:
On February 04 2015 03:33 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 04 2015 03:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I feel like I'm the only one not surprised. Lol

Think about how much shit happens at EOD and how much more shit almost happens, and then realize that in IML, you have no idea when EOD actually is. I feel like that speaks for itself


This makes me feel like town players just don't know how to exploit IML to their favor as opposed to the format itself being hard for town.

It's just so easy for a town to string a day out, discuss things thoroughly, and just grind down a mafia team into submission. Controlling the time of a lynch is an extremely powerful tool.


I really like IML but getting the bolded to work in practice is insanely hard


I don't think so. None of the games I won were with insanely active towns.

It was largely a leader or two in the town organizing discussion and getting a lynch pushed.


I think this ties in to the fact that you were in those games. If you are an above-average player, on average your normal mini will seem higher-skilled because you're pulling the average up by leading or whatever. Hapahauli is a talented player and a good leader (even when he's wrong) as town. This might make IML seem more town-favored to him, who leads towns or supports good leaders.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 03 2015 21:12 GMT
#29
On February 04 2015 03:08 Hapahauli wrote:
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On February 04 2015 03:05 Keirathi wrote:
On February 04 2015 02:53 kitaman27 wrote:
GSL Mini Mafia III - Town Victory


Mmmmmm <3


I love lynching me some mafia Marv.

I love lynching me some town Hapa <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 03 2015 21:14 GMT
#30
On February 04 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 03:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 04 2015 03:05 Keirathi wrote:
On February 04 2015 02:53 kitaman27 wrote:
GSL Mini Mafia III - Town Victory


Mmmmmm <3


I love lynching me some mafia Marv.

I love lynching me some town Hapa <3


Oh the memories.

<3
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 03 2015 21:16 GMT
#31
I'll never be able to pull that kinda stuff off again, so that's going to go down as my most swag ml of all time
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 03 2015 21:17 GMT
#32
On February 04 2015 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
I'll never be able to pull that kinda stuff off again, so that's going to go down as my most swag ml of all time


To be fair, it was Z-Boson that did the heavy lifting in that LYLO.

And town grush :/
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
February 03 2015 21:19 GMT
#33
On February 04 2015 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
I'll never be able to pull that kinda stuff off again, so that's going to go down as my most swag ml of all time


To be fair, it was Z-Boson that did the heavy lifting in that LYLO.

And town grush :/


oh yeah what happened to Z-Boson, I never see him around any more
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 03 2015 21:45 GMT
#34
I assume he got busy. I see him on liquiddota occasionally, but that's about it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 04 2015 15:53 GMT
#35
On February 04 2015 06:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 04 2015 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
I'll never be able to pull that kinda stuff off again, so that's going to go down as my most swag ml of all time


To be fair, it was Z-Boson that did the heavy lifting in that LYLO.

And town grush :/


oh yeah what happened to Z-Boson, I never see him around any more

He hasn't played after he forced me to concede by outing our scum QT when i wanted to shoot him and play 9-1.
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