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Without a certificate of (maritime) competence, you perform the grunt work aboard the ship, the most thankless job that many could confuse you with the pirates. You are aware. As a miller, you receive a vanilla town PM but return red to alignment checks. Also this role, we will be told we are millers then but get a VT role pm? | ||
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On February 04 2015 02:46 Holyflare wrote: If i roll mafia I'm just going to afk but you must not lynch me till day 2 just so i can shoot eden Please roll hf, damdred and eden as mafia and we will shoot eden | ||
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Anyway it's early but Eden play doesn't make a ton of sense, says oneg is Scum but tells everyone to vote marv even though he's not a Miller. He ignores questions then puts marv as top town with other sure town reads based on what? | ||
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If things don't line up they need to be looked into doc how towny a play it was. Ill reply to your post in a minute eden | ||
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Your first point yes, BUT I doubt you would of had to bait Miller claims at that point and a few people were ok with there being two Miller's as a possibility. And the super quick rescind yea I guess it did its purpose. Yea ok. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:33 sicklucker wrote: Well im not sure palmer and people gave there reason for voting dandred so heres mine. I really liked his list. Its the same one I just posted minus breske? Then dandred says its terrible and edens terrible. Curious where I said it was terrible? | ||
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Lynch Sl and batsnacks going forward. | ||
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Eden town Marv is town but don't let him skate by on his miller claim. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:41 Palmar wrote: You don't think it's at all scummy or even warrants a suspicion that not only am I tunneling the fuck out of you, marv and hf are actually agreeing with it? we all bad now son? Sorry Palmar I know how tunneled you get when you find mafia, it's not a bad case and I would jump on it if it wasn't me. | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:07 LightningStrike wrote: She does this as town are you smoking weed today? LS are you acting dumb today? Rsoultin makes huge posts that go back and forth and tries to figure shot out on her own, but she's just sleeping with no real thoughts? | ||
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Jays town probably to, rs isn't. | ||
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Rs is Scum. | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:31 Breshke wrote: Im honestly surprised by how little my name gets misspelled Why is JAT probably town? Mostly just tone read, he's more s town lean atm | ||
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I can't believe you think this is my Scum game hf... | ||
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Lynch LS over sl. | ||
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Anyway, to clarify while I don't have a staff to manage. Marv is a claimed miller I think tone wise he's town just based on his postings obviously, so that in itself totally negates most of the sentence I was taking crap for earlier that I under explained. Miller is obviously easy for mafia to fake claim so IF Marv slips into lazy mode just lynch him, if he's productive I had a good read. HF you have a good scum game I scummed you for tone and other things last game I can't say I have a reliable grip on you though, and you feel towny atm. | ||
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this just makes the thread bad | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote: So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum. This is the most horrible post in the entire thread. Firstly LS shows little understanding of what is going on in the thread, First he has a scum read on eden (who is really towny btw) for no reasons at all basically just trolling earlier when it was a play rather than trolling. Now he calls my actions into question that I did earlier but doesn't give any information about them at all, I questioned his scum read but my actions are questionable? This is just a mafia post if I've seen one | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:42 LightningStrike wrote: Maybe to bait out blues? Like that the only thing I can think of and it's horrible play to try to hunt blues as town. Like the last time I seen someone blue hunt other than me they were Mafia (KSC in Carol) Why would a miller bait out blues? Millers are green? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:43 LightningStrike wrote: Mainly your stuff about rsoultin because I think she is town. Can you tell me why I'm wrong if you think rsoultin is scum? I've already said why in the thread that you are ignoring. Rsoultin is really side lined up until she was pinged out not really been doing any of the towny traits you put towards her. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:46 LightningStrike wrote: She did the same thing in Student V so it most likely non alignment indicative on that part. This is factually incorrect, Rsoultin was a lot more inquisitive and pushed the people up for lynch. All rsoultin did to interact with me was say Damdred walks the plank basically and sheeped away. | ||
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Rsoultin you weren't really proactive up to that point afterwards you did get more so towards your town game | ||
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Games hard but you kill the obvious mafia in ls first. | ||
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LS is mafia for a few reasons, he is not reading the thread for starters and just looking like he is contributing. At a few moments he is asked if he is caught up in the thread and he says no, but he goes on to yell at other people for not reading the thread when he hasn't done it himself. LS has been caught in lies this game, when he chainsaw defended RS he made up a reason that he was acting to his meta that he showed in Student Mafia. Which even RS said was dumb and untrue as he pushed trf from the start in that game but somewhat just sheeped here. Also his reads seem relly falsified and don't make sense.Tone wise LS is way different from any of his town game he seems really angry here, he on several occasions ask people if they are high or over reacts to being called scum where in his town games he just continues to play and try to act townie or show why hes towny instead of being angry to this extent. @Koshi, not really ok with getting lynched but I know I probably am. I feel ok just got tunneled super early | ||
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I'm getting scum read for a post I made on marv that I could not adequately expound on at the time because I was super busy at work, and when I got a moment to sit down and write I did so. Some are scum reading me for having a tone town lean for JAT, which is a rough read that I don't put much faith in but its d1 and trying to poe your way to which person is possibly the best lynch for you. So yea the reasons are horrible I think I covered a majority of them that I could remember, HF and Palmar are totally tunneled SL is doing something with voting me and marv is pretty sure i'm mafia so it just is what it is. | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:57 Koshi wrote: Why are you ok being tunneled in this pretty talented town, but felt miserable while being tunneled by the scrubs in last game? You even 100% townread the people tunneling you. It makes 0 sense. Work with me bro Like its pretty obvious to me that Marv, Palmar are really towny. I think HF could be town, its just the feeling and read I have form him currently. It sucks but i'm not going to omgus them. Because last game I had 50 billion of the same question asked over and over and was super busy with life and was beign insulted constantly and the game was just toxic etc etc etc | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:58 batsnacks wrote: There's approx. ten posts in the last two pages of your void mafia filter that say otherwise. Battrap just caught sl in a lie | ||
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On February 04 2015 23:01 batsnacks wrote: Damdred you just said you were pretty sure marv was mafia and in your very next post said it was pretty obvious to you that marv is really townie. O_o no I didn't? I said Marv is pretty sure i'm mafia | ||
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I've held for a long time that palmar Marv are really towny? | ||
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but yea not lynching me is a good thing here | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:31 justanothertownie wrote: The point is that you are very sure in a case you shouldn't be sure at all. Go look at what I wrote on Trfel in Linux Mafia even if I went back on it later, the only difference here to ther eis i'm getting town read there and scum read here. If the reads were reversed people would listen to me instead of scoff at what i'm saying | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:34 justanothertownie wrote: No. Just no. It has literally nothing to do with how people read you. Yes, yes it does. People have a conditioned response to how they view things. In this case people are looking at me as scum so everything I say is tinted for the thread which is fine but it is the truth. Im to sure of my read? Palmar was to sure of his read on me but nobody jumped on him for that obviously, who cares if i'm right or wrong about LS obviously I believe/believed it at the time and he is angrier to me than he normally is. And he is playing marginally different as is RS, and mind you LS was caught in a lie about Rsoultin that he normally wouldn't make because he is so hung up on meta reads and people sticking to that specific meta but ok. | ||
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Hes a hard read but I generally read him right. | ||
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There is a clear somewhat illogical thought process that you can see across his thought patterns as town. Be it crazy plans or ways to confirm that he is town or that someone else in the game is confirmed town he flows with crazy theories no matter what. However in his scum games hes only concerned about himself being confirmed town. You can somewhat see it coming to that by trying to get town read by doing nothing at points. Hes not really pushing his scum read he is sheeping and giving untrue thoughts as a way to justify his stance at present time. This can be seen with how he characterizes my push on Eden with the questions early on ie when he said I called Edens post terrible. Which had never happened and he went on to say that he would unvote me if It wasn't for the horrible made up read on JAT which was a town tone read at that stage of the game. Also if you look at his mafia games he has a way to ignore certain things that go on in the game, ie questions in void and Linux at points and statements at others. Here he does the same thing like with th ejat town read or my questioning edens post by selectively showing which posts to talk about. He is also not scum hunting, as I mentioned before he has a way of making associative reads early on between people ie crazy filters that have some semblance of thought progression. Here we really don't see that, we see a little bit of Damdred is bussing Rsoultin I believe at points but that is a bit odd because just earlier he was playing with the idea of unvoting if not for another read. Also the lie that batsnacks caught SL in was that he doesn't try hard as mafia. He tries really hard when hes on the block as I said earlier but when discussion is off of him he is a background player rather than in the front which is where hes at now since i'm on the block and he has nothing really to discuss since a mislynch is going through. tldr SL is playing towards his scum meta rather than his town meta He is selectively replying to posts or selecting parts of posts to make others look bad He is working in the background instead of being in the action not really scum hunting Is basically afking his vote SL is a great shot for scum | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:57 marvellosity wrote: it's kinda compelling The spirit of damdred compels you | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:06 Eden1892 wrote: Why the hell is this game so frustrating. I think Damdred's post was pretty town but I felt like when I read SL earlier he was town. Now people want to kill SL and I still don't really see it either! Can we just kill JAT and then I'll get nightkilled to throw people off and not have to think about this anymore? What was so towny about his filter? What is wrong with my case exactly? | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:12 Eden1892 wrote: I'd have to go through it in detail to argue what's wrong with the case. Idk if I should right now though, I don't think I'm doing a very good job analyzing things. I gave a brief description of why I thought SL was town before, maybe it'd be better if you rebutted that instead of me trying to rebut yours? I actually don't think this is a good way to read SL at all honestly, if you look at Void mafia or even Linux before he got pinged out and under heavy pressure he was acting pretty free and light. And if he arguably likes playing mafia more than town wouldn't his tone be happier using this logic as rolling mafia? Also he really hasn't been doing much until he gets called out. This isn't true he says usually pretty own as town that game is solved but this is sorta a meh point in defense and SL is probably the cockiest person in the game no offense to him of course. I remember once he said we were going to lose the game if we lynched him etc., anyway I don't think its a good defense at all. | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote: rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead I thought iws 100% confirmed mafia to you <.<.Nobody would listen to me when I started making points on rs just kept calling me mafia and you don't even respond to what I post. | ||
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Anyway, read the case read sls filter post responses vote for him | ||
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The more important thing is to talk about what I posted in the case and in responses. Lets get on track here and talk about this | ||
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Firstly since sL came back to the thread he was only active before people started talking about really switching to JAT which thread sentiment started to favour, and he only re appeared once people noticed this pattern once again. Besides that he made it extremely clear that I should be the one to die since the lynch was trying to be pushed on him and its obvious mafia is pushing the wagon. But soon as people started saying the case on him was good he started to push the JAT angle and he voted Jat instead of killng the person who the wagon was being pushed off of. He is still selectively quoting and interacting with people. This guy is mafia. Also people who say the SL case is good and then vote with him give me the heebie jeebies | ||
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Actually it is, if you look at Linux and void that's what he gets the most heat on because he selectively goes after things. IN imperial and his other town games he will take a look at everything and try to tackle everything and be as spastic as possible in doing so | ||
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Now Breshke and SL are voting together when bresh said my case was good and I was town. You don't even blink when SL changes from Lets kill Damdred since mafia is trying to push off me onto him and all of a sudden hes super happy lynching JAT. Who by the way is always super try hard as mafia tone is super different from his mafia game. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:05 marvellosity wrote: You're forgetting he just came off a long and tedious game of mafia himself Except he had just came off a long tedious game in heavyweight rolled scum on p2p and rolled the game | ||
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Also not voting jat ftw | ||
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I've shown other peoples inconsitincies and yet associative reads on me for the past two pages. Anyway, hopefully when I flip scum people will look at what I wrote on people. | ||
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I'm not under pressure now I just feel like most of the thread are being idiotic | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:46 Eden1892 wrote: You are more than welcome to discuss the JAT case with me if you think it's bad I have already said what I thought. Nothing you posted makes him mafia, sometimes he just doesn't do much as town through D1. You said the game was really hard and you have waffled about almost half of the game so i'm not sure why lynching into people JAT wasn't town reading is necessarily scummy. His reads are generally boring overall even as town, he says what he has to in as few words as possible as both alignments so kinda null. What you wrote doesn't make him mafia in my eyes. | ||
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Therefore if they are scum they should always have those size filters. correct? | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:58 Damdred wrote: Scum damdred had like a 25 page filter in imperial, scum marv had a 40 page filter in imperial. Therefore if they are scum they should always have those size filters. correct? This was to marv. And the point is, IMperial is an aberration of a game that went on to reach way to many posts where nobody could keep up exactly with what was going on. So I really don't think its a good example since everyone had to drop things just because of length | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:04 Palmar wrote: I retract retracting my scumread on Damdred. He is now scum4lyfe in this game for being super hostile and annoying. It does not fit with the personality I had attributed to him. He basically chooses to make stand-offs instead of actually trying to talk people into doing shit. I think Damdred is a nice guy, and on the verge of becoming a truly great TL mafia player (like one of the elite players). This just doesn't fit with anything. It's out of character, it's weird, and it's not productive, and he KNOWS it's not productive. I cannot believe he's town here. I'm really not trying to be standoffish at this point, I was actively being an asshole true. But I am interacting with marv and Eden now. And the second to last paragraph sorta makes me happy i'm sorry i'm acting out of character just a few things really have bugged me this game. | ||
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SL probably didn't answer everything in imperial I will agree with that, but that game made it impossible to answer everything. His other games that he rolled town in he specifically would comment on everything in the thread that he could at that time for the most point. Eden, your second point is a bit weird not because its not true or that its not something that a scum player can be guilty of, but its weird because it could be attributed to a great many people in the thread who are just sheeping or doing jack all. Its more of a null point, JAT usually does make good comments and point out a few things that are interesting as town he made one about me in his filter about the read wasn't the weird part about me that was pretty good. And he seems decently paranoid at points when it comes to people town reading him. I haven't checked who was active in the thread at the time that JAT was present besides JAT and SL and a few others, so I can't really verify that he was able to follow up and he hasn't really been back since. And finding mafia through POE isn't exactly the most horrible thing. I just don't know if this makes him scum. | ||
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On February 05 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote: The fact that he is posting does not mean marv is town. People who attack marv are also not more likely to be mafia. You should know this since you were going at him when he was really obviously town in heavyweight III. Also I am retracting this: Marv, I am hereby allowing you to post again. On February 05 2015 05:49 justanothertownie wrote: I have absolutely no idea how damdred comes to this conclusion about this post with the reasoning he is giving here. Does LS strike you as a player who would give only one scumread on the universal townread of all strong players in the game? Especially the last line seems way overboard. On February 05 2015 01:03 justanothertownie wrote: Found some time. Let's see how far I get. To be honest the read on me is not what is bothering me about damdred. I guess he should maybe be a little more paranoid about me in general (?) but he told me in the void postgame that he thinks he can read me by tone and I think my tone so far has been pretty different/more jovial than in void mafia for obvious reasons. These are just some of the posts I've pulled out where he looks like hes doing things and dI like the posts even if they are about me. Also you accuse him of not furthering his reads or pressuring people basically, but if you read his filter a good portion of it is questions to me for example on some reads or statements he disagrees with. He wants to lynch me and he is interacting with me, he is doing the JAT thing trying to figure things out towards me at least. I think he looks ok, not super town but shouldnt' be lynched today. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:41 Eden1892 wrote: The marv thing is fluff, I don't see where the tone thing is going. He does stay on point about you being too sure of your reads, so I guess I went too far in saying he did nothing, but if that's all he managed in the time he had, I'm still not convinced he put much effort into it. That just seems so....ambiguous to me, convincing someone you put effort in is just a meh way to find scum in that vein of thought. Sure if scum marv did absolutely nothing I think you could make a good policy/lynch argument for him. But JAT as mafia tries just as much as town jat so its hard for me to take the argument meh. | ||
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I'd be happy with bresh or sl. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:03 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah, but when they're the alternate candidate? Because you and Palmar were very clearly going to lynch Damdred if not JAT This is a better point but a bit wifom. Anyway, the main meh thing about bresh is the way he voted | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:21 Eden1892 wrote: There was one point where he was discussing LightningStrike and it seemed like his read on LS was pretty natural and evolving. That's all I really remember though. What about his weird soft defense of me when I was under the most pressure? | ||
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Its a fairly bad reason | ||
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or give bats his lynch | ||
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He is happy killing any of the three people listed. His scum reads are weird and he sheeped onto jat after saying scum was trying to push off me and I had to die. he claims to not care about dying or really being involved where every action he takes just tries to save himself. Kill this scum | ||
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Cause hf I feel better about an SL lynch but you and palmar taught me sometimes you have to sheep | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:18 Breshke wrote: No its just early for me The first game i played with SL, rayn had this sick read on him where yeah everything he said was bullshit but you could tell he believed everything he was saying. Im getting the same vibe from him here. He talks so much crap but i think he believes the shit he is saying. Onegu feels really relaxed and in my limited experience that generally indicates not mafia. This could be wrong because ive never played in a non newbie game as town so ive never had to scumhunt in a pool of more experienced players. Also the thirst to survive i would expect from scum isn't really there. wasn't SL scum in the game you are mentioning? | ||
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But it is what it is. If I'm lynched maybe o caught mafia somewhere. I think its SL and bresh idk about the third. Never lynch jat, Marv, palmar, Eden or batsnacks. | ||
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sorry I played bad I really believed my read on SL. GL the rest of the game and thanks for not reading my filter and not putting context out there | ||
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I was at work didn't know what was going on or that deadline passed. | ||
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Firstly, I would like to start off with apologizing to several people for being stupidly aggressive over things when I was angry. I should not of responded so angrily or ignored people just because I was at work and frustrated with the environment and what was going on in the thread when I was unable to reply and take my time with posts. (I'm considering a self post restriction of not posting between the hours of 5-9 at night honestly as it gets me scum read). I honestly didn't mean to be a dick like Palmar said I was being and I try not to be rude but the shots at me that several of my friends made justmade me over react in a bad way. And I am sorry about that. Most importantly I really apologize to the hosts and to the players for getting myself mod killed. I had no intentions of being mod killed and I was at work and did not notice the time on my phone. I thought I was dead and should of honestly just stopped posting, it was a dumb mistake and I apologize. The mod kill was 100% in the right and it was my mistake. I played poorly this game and I am sorry i'll do better next time and i'm trying to improve part of my game now so that some of these things don't happen again. Thank you for hosting HTS and Art, it was a pleasure and i'm glad the game ended like this. | ||
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