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On February 08 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:Eden complete 180 turn on me is really making me cringe like he called me 100% town earlier in N1 and now doing a complete 180 is like wut..... bats is being bats and voting for his scumread like he didin Student IV. Breshke is unCCed Vig Marv as scum would be called scum Day 1 or Night 1 by Palmar and he looked really townie with his questioning on you. rsoultin I never played with you are scum and I starting you question my own read on you baby girl  JAT's defense and making a really good case on HF being scum is making him a top town in my books. Meh, maybe I'm just the nutball around here, but I really don't understand what is so shiny about jat's case. Maybe someone can explain it to me, sometime. What I find weird, LS, to be frank, is that you kept saying I was town when I was largely inactive earlier and now that I'm up to speed I'm scum? It's not quite as much a 180 as Eden pulled (but Eden's reads have jumped so much all game anyway lol) but it doesn't match up with what's going on in the thread. Maybe I'm biased, but that's how I see it. JAT's case alone suddenly had you townreading him, who you were voting earlier, voting HF, and questioning me? It's like a magic case or something to go along with your magic 8 ball xP
You got him with the flip flop. Same thing Hf did but in reverse
Pack it up we're done here
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On February 08 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 11:47 Eden1892 wrote:On February 08 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2015 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:Eden complete 180 turn on me is really making me cringe like he called me 100% town earlier in N1 and now doing a complete 180 is like wut..... bats is being bats and voting for his scumread like he didin Student IV. Breshke is unCCed Vig Marv as scum would be called scum Day 1 or Night 1 by Palmar and he looked really townie with his questioning on you. rsoultin I never played with you are scum and I starting you question my own read on you baby girl JAT's defense and making a really good case on HF being scum is making him a top town in my books. Meh, maybe I'm just the nutball around here, but I really don't understand what is so shiny about jat's case. Maybe someone can explain it to me, sometime. What I find weird, LS, to be frank, is that you kept saying I was town when I was largely inactive earlier and now that I'm up to speed I'm scum? It's not quite as much a 180 as Eden pulled (but Eden's reads have jumped so much all game anyway lol) but it doesn't match up with what's going on in the thread. Maybe I'm biased, but that's how I see it. JAT's case alone suddenly had you townreading him, who you were voting earlier, voting HF, and questioning me? It's like a magic case or something to go along with your magic 8 ball xP You got him with the flip flop. Same thing Hf did but in reverse Pack it up we're done here I <3 you, Eden, but he irony of you jumping on anyone for flip-flops lol... I'm just not understanding LS'...HF flip-flopped on me after talking to me for hours, and I don't know that a flip-flop is still an accurate descriptor since it wasn't a strong town read. You also flipped on me during the same conversation.
Hf had you as top scum for most of d1, forgot about you at EOD and resumed being on you until discussion went elsewhere. That's not a townie progression
LS had you as sure town then sure mafia without any real explanation and then when he's called out on it he doesn't make sense as to why
I've gone back and forth a billion times but explained myself as much as I could and with mostly sensible (if not great) reasons
And LS had me as definite town then called me mafia because I suspected him and is now nonsensically trying to hedge after being called out. He said if x or y die then I'm mafia but then says he wasn't calling me mafia ???
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Lightning Strike should be the lynch today IMO. I'll grant part of it is not wanting to think about JAT or Hf but yeah, I like him best.
We can vig Hf after that or JAT if preferred
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On February 08 2015 15:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 15:21 Holyflare wrote:
If you want to talk about fucking mafia. Have a look at this gem.go to jats filter, press all so it's all on one page
Ctrl + f and type in koshi
Look how jat ignores all posts where koshi is poe'd and comments on stuff like damd only. He only talks casually about koshi and then mysteriously koshi ends up in his poe list of 3 over onegu/rsoul etc that were talked about all day??
Don't buy it in the slightest Best case btw. Vote jat, collect profit. Scum mate in poe list despite never scum reading them is classic mafia.
Hol up verifying
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Computer says not best case
But Edenu might have found something else interesting.
Hol up
Hol up
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On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him.
assuming jat is mafia, this is a post where koshi makes a half-ass effort to keep people from unvoting his partner. is koshi the kind of player to half-ass a bus?
On February 06 2015 00:43 Koshi wrote:
Damdred. Chill out. Lynch JAT. Blame marv/eden/Palmar when he flips town.
actual scumslip doe...???
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On February 08 2015 15:48 Holyflare wrote:
So you looked at his filter and found where koshi came into his poe? I sure didn't.
He made a couple passing references to Koshi not being town (i.e. "you're totes not top town") before this, and I did notice some questions that didn't appear to have a lot of followup/direction thrown Koshi's way. So it could be legit.
But then I found le epik scumslip
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On February 08 2015 15:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 15:52 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote:
JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. assuming jat is mafia, this is a post where koshi makes a half-ass effort to keep people from unvoting his partner. is koshi the kind of player to half-ass a bus? On February 06 2015 00:43 Koshi wrote:
Damdred. Chill out. Lynch JAT. Blame marv/eden/Palmar when he flips town. actual scumslip doe...??? Look at the next page where koshi just jumps off jat when people start joining. Completely feigned push.
wat
his vote stayed until eod...?
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On February 08 2015 15:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote:
wow you both are acting dumb today. let me spell it out for you:
jat is sitting here waffling between sl and onegu
he keeps saying damdred is a bad lynch, damdred is town
marv and palmar at the very least are so tunneled there's no way they're gonna move
so instead of hammering onegu who has 4 votes with damdred to keep damdred from being lynched, he parks his vote on sl where it's not going to do any good?
so even in a world jat where you think sl is more likely scum than onegu, what makes you so sure of that from one minute to the next that you're not going to vote to save your townread? frankly I'm sad that only jat and marv have even commented on this point :/
I thought it was a cool point but I am busy chasing other parts of the Noise Frome The Voide
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Hahahah, this guy
On February 06 2015 04:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 04:42 sicklucker wrote:On February 06 2015 04:41 Eden1892 wrote:
Who's ready for my incredibly shitty scumtell on rsoultin
She's posted like 5 emoticons the whole game so she's mafia because she's not laid back and postin like she would as town Cool bro? So do I vote her? I would like to know who among my scum reads the vote is most likely to go on so I can go have a nap Vote JAT
On February 06 2015 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Hmm. I might be in bad company on JAT.
His two consecutive posts in his filter. This was funny.
I have to admit though I forget the point of this tangent. The issue is reading JAT from how he interacted with Koshi, not with how Koshi interacted with him, isn't it? Koshi can do what he did if JAT is town or mafia.
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Oh yeah cause I asked if Koshi is the type of player to half-ass a bus.
Is he?
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On February 08 2015 16:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2015 16:05 Eden1892 wrote:Hahahah, this guy On February 06 2015 04:43 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2015 04:42 sicklucker wrote:On February 06 2015 04:41 Eden1892 wrote:
Who's ready for my incredibly shitty scumtell on rsoultin
She's posted like 5 emoticons the whole game so she's mafia because she's not laid back and postin like she would as town Cool bro? So do I vote her? I would like to know who among my scum reads the vote is most likely to go on so I can go have a nap Vote JAT On February 06 2015 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Hmm. I might be in bad company on JAT. His two consecutive posts in his filter. This was funny. I have to admit though I forget the point of this tangent. The issue is reading JAT from how he interacted with Koshi, not with how Koshi interacted with him, isn't it? Koshi can do what he did if JAT is town or mafia. Yes. So basically my ctrl f of jats filter turned up gold and you waffled on a tangent about koshi.
It looks pretty solid, I moved to the next thing to expand on it a bit but it didn't really go anywhere.
And if Breshke likes the idea of taking out LS, then I can probably not lynch LS today and trust him to take the shot...
Great thinking to do I have
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Mercifully I'm off tomorrow, so I'm probably going to just meditate all day and maximize my Zen for the coming decision
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Ls is the 2nd mafia. This is why
On February 04 2015 09:09 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 09:06 Eden1892 wrote:On February 04 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Just came back from playing a LoL game and saw mass miller claims -.- Also Palmar claiming that Damdred is scum but wont give a good reason................ So guys what you think of Palmar and Marvs interactions with each other so far? Computer says mafia The last two times I played with you, you were sarcastic and trolling as scum I guess I can see the pattern in your play. ##Vote: Eden1892
One thing I've noticed is that I'm pretty solid at picking up mafia through suspicious early posts. I always end up not following up on it because it seems hella silly to kill people because "this post is stiff and awkward," but I also end up doing a pretty solid job at either identifying mafia off of it or developing my suspicion of these posts and discovering it's incorrectly placed. A great example of this is where I called out WaveofShadow's entry post in World Heavyweight as mafia and was totally right about it. I think I did it again with Onegu in Hammertime but I'm not sure if I explicitly framed it as such.
Anyway, look at this sequence right here. LS's entry into the thread was really off-the-wall. He acknowledges the main event that had happened so far, commented on Palmar apparently suspecting Damdred without giving a reason... but instead decided not to ask about that and asked a question to no one in particular about nothing in particular. I called him mafia and he immediately OMGUSed me saying I was just trolling when I was obviously town at the time.
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On February 08 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And as he's so mets driven it makes sense that he scum reads you when he says your mafia meta is trolling. Has he played town with you?
He was town both games we played before and I was mafia both games we played before
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Urgh fuck it, I got to the part of Ls's filter where d1 EOD happened and it seemed legit
This game is harder than it has any right to be :/
I guess I'll be that guy, is there any chance it's marv?
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Hold up, I actually might have something for marv. Standby
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There's just this very odd touch of hesitance and indecision in a couple of his posts here and there that makes me think for just one glimpse in time that he might be mafia
On February 06 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote:
Like I have no idea where to go, and Damdred has all these things i feel icky about
On February 06 2015 07:32 marvellosity wrote:
tbh I might just vote Damdred and let town do whatever it wants.
which is bound to end badly.
On February 06 2015 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
I dunno. maybe i should just stick on onegu
On February 06 2015 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
i don't mind an onegu lynch
you guys can do it.
On February 06 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
I really think we should lynch Damdred but at the same time i'm not confident enough to shout at people doing other things.
Boo.
+ Show Spoiler +EXTRA FUN TIME: LET'S ALL LAUGH AT MARV LOLOLOL On February 06 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think Koshi is a shocking lynch in this situation tbh
Now it would be remiss not to note that marv did eventually turn it around a bit. In the last couple of minutes he was yelling for people to kill Damdred. But I'm still uneasy about how hesitant marv was about lynching Damdred. Maybe it's an unfair expectation, but I knew where I wanted to go during EOD. I wanted one of Onegu or Koshi and ended up choking on which one to pick, but there was never any doubt in my mind about the other wagons. I feel like several other people could reasonably be described in the same way. It almost seems like marv was leaving his options open about where to go until he had to pick something, and he went with the read he had been building up most of the game because it sounded legit and consistent and whatnot.
Then during the night marv passed the baton to me, which I totally didn't think anything about because at my core I'm an insecure high schooler who never got over the bullying and constantly seeks validation living in the body of a 23-year-old. shouts to blazinghand Nah but really I got blinded by the fact that one of the tlmafia gods was basically like "Eden is cool, I'll let him choose the lynch today" to think about it further. The analogous situation I have in mind here is when Damdred ended my whole mafiaside career last game. marv along with basically everyone else passed the baton to Damdred, but it was because Damdred built a tier-1 baller case on me that spewed gold from the pores on its silky smooth skin. Here I didn't have anything nearly as much of a lock as Damdred's case, but marv was okay handing me the baton because my reads, which have been about as ironclad and unwavering as a dandelion floret, mostly agreed with his at the time. Given how much I've moved around, does that seem like a very good reason to give someone the keys?
Another thing that might implicate marv is the nightkill. We've all been wondering about this one for a while, and I think I finally have a plausible reason for why Palmar died.
It starts here:
On February 05 2015 23:19 Palmar wrote:
Also seeing as marv has about 15% of the posts in this game, I'm super unimpressed with his results. I don't really think he's mafia, I was just hoping to find something I could sheep.
On February 06 2015 07:46 Palmar wrote:
Jesus christ guys btw.
Literally everyone here is townreading me and marv.
We agree on the Damdred lynch. Maybe we're bad, maybe one is fooling the other. But it's a fairly good case to sheep.
On February 06 2015 07:52 Palmar wrote:
btw, I 100% support a yololynch on marv. Even if I'm fairly confident he's town.
On February 06 2015 19:41 Palmar wrote:
Marv, you know that if we lose this game, in a game where we're both town and figure each other out on day 1, we're going to have to play in a newbie game as repentance.
Palmar was townreading marv, yeah? But then this happened:
On February 07 2015 01:17 Palmar wrote:scummy post, you don't expect to die.
Granted there was no actual followup and there's a decent chance it was a joke, but nonetheless. Palmar and marv have played a lot of games together, and given enough time Palmar is typically pretty good about catching marv. The mafia may have thought they needed a medic dodge - they obviously lack an RB since Breshke's shot got through, and Breshke as a claimed vig is a perfect medic dodge. But then why Palmar over, say, me? I am as always the perfect medic dodge, here because no doc is ever not going to save a claimed vig who says he's going to shoot and because I'm clear town besides.
You can see that marv starts to suspect Koshi as momentum shifts decidedly toward Koshi getting shot. This is pretty natural reaction for mafia here, but it's also possible that marv is town and comes around to Koshi. So why do I think this is more likely coming from scum!marv? Because of his description of how it happened, both at the time and later:
On February 07 2015 00:08 marvellosity wrote:
like koshi should know that townies don't double check things and misremember things all the time. such a silly read.
On February 07 2015 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
so eden's gonna die and i'm gonna sheep him on koshi. that seems to be how it's going to go.
On February 08 2015 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
yeah tbh Eden's certainty on Koshi gradually made me certain on Koshi
some sort of voodoo
It wasn't because of my initial, correct arguments on Koshi, which marv apparently found unconvincing enough to say that Koshi was "a shocking lynch" at d1 EOD. Nor was it because of Koshi's decidedly unsatisfying argumentation during n1, which marv only went as far as to call "silly" on his own. No, it appears that marv decided Koshi was mafia because I was persistent enough that Koshi was mafia? This is a bad reason to think Koshi is mafia, given the reasons marv could think Koshi is mafia. I have been persistent about a bunch of reads on a bunch of people all game, some of them mutually contradicting and not all of them reads marv agreed with. Isn't it a little bit weird that on this one he decided I was persistent enough on, one which he never even explicitly comes around to agreeing with, Koshi ends up flipping mafia?
So as marv awkwardly gives up mafia!Koshi for dead, mafia shoots the guy who would be most likely to pick up on any oddities in marv's play, even though that guy was being thrown around as possibly mafia himself due to not having the most stellar game at the time. They must have really wanted Palmar dead, right? What other reason than to keep marv out of trouble?
And now, here we are today, with an incredibly heavy decision to make between JAT and HF. Both of them have, in my mind, been pretty convincing at times. I've flip-flopped twice I think between which one I want to kill. Where is marv in all of this? He was around for JAT's big push on HF, but spent that time questioning rsoultin on the case instead of JAT himself or instead of trying to leave questions for HF to answer when HF got back in the thread. I get that marv wasn't around for this latest bit because it was too late to be playing for anyone besides HF (seriously, how do you do it?), but thus far I've found him to seem incredibly uninterested in actually deciding between JAT and HF, given the gravity of the decision. It seems, once again, as though he's waiting for a consensus to form before he steps in, where I expect marv as town to be the one trying to drive that consensus instead.
marv's game has just been too passive. His filter is massive once again, but he broke that tell in Imperial. His only concerted push all game was on Damdred, and he got an incredible case of cold feet about it during deadline, like he was hoping some other convenient wagon would form. The nightkill actually implicates him pretty strongly, because marv has a lot of respect for Palmar's play and ability to read him, and no other mafia really has the same impetus to get Palmar, specifically, taken out over someone else who's active and contributing. And here we are again with another big decision and his presence has been uncharacteristically unremarkable.
Starting to think marv is the lynch today.
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On February 08 2015 22:04 LightningStrike wrote:
I woke up and I never knew that Crtl+F did something o.o Thank You HF!
I can't be the only one who called bullshit on this in his head.
JAT's persistent lack of charity makes me want to lynch him, but it probably also makes him town, because I don't remember him being as aggressive as he is here when he played mafia. There's nothing preventing someone playing mafiasided from being histrionically aggressive as a front, but for someone who normally plays what I tend to think is a more passive and assuaging mafiaside game, and who hasn't been consistently this aggressive the whole way this game, the more likely explanation to me is that he's town.
But I also think HF is town...
And I think rso is right about marv's reaction to it. If it's such a dumb post why in the world did marv refuse to engage Holyflare until HF told me that marv is town? I get that it's a long post and if your kneejerk reaction is "this is dumb" then it's hard to drag oneself through the trouble of rebutting it, but at the same time I feel like if it's that dumb you don't make a big deal over it.
I dunno guys, the more I think about it the more I'm okay with marv as a lynch.
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