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rsoultin
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On February 08 2015 16:25 Breshke wrote: LIKE THIS IS THE PROBLEM if they dont have a RB why arnt i dead If they have a RB why wasn't i Rb'd WHAT WERE THEY TRYING TO DO. No way they were so sure i wasn't going to shoot. dude, that's the question of the year right there >< | ||
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Holyflare
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Eden1892
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On February 04 2015 09:09 LightningStrike wrote: The last two times I played with you, you were sarcastic and trolling as scum I guess I can see the pattern in your play. ##Vote: Eden1892 One thing I've noticed is that I'm pretty solid at picking up mafia through suspicious early posts. I always end up not following up on it because it seems hella silly to kill people because "this post is stiff and awkward," but I also end up doing a pretty solid job at either identifying mafia off of it or developing my suspicion of these posts and discovering it's incorrectly placed. A great example of this is where I called out WaveofShadow's entry post in World Heavyweight as mafia and was totally right about it. I think I did it again with Onegu in Hammertime but I'm not sure if I explicitly framed it as such. Anyway, look at this sequence right here. LS's entry into the thread was really off-the-wall. He acknowledges the main event that had happened so far, commented on Palmar apparently suspecting Damdred without giving a reason... but instead decided not to ask about that and asked a question to no one in particular about nothing in particular. I called him mafia and he immediately OMGUSed me saying I was just trolling when I was obviously town at the time. | ||
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Holyflare
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 08 2015 16:31 Eden1892 wrote: Ls is the 2nd mafia. This is why One thing I've noticed is that I'm pretty solid at picking up mafia through suspicious early posts. I always end up not following up on it because it seems hella silly to kill people because "this post is stiff and awkward," but I also end up doing a pretty solid job at either identifying mafia off of it or developing my suspicion of these posts and discovering it's incorrectly placed. A great example of this is where I called out WaveofShadow's entry post in World Heavyweight as mafia and was totally right about it. I think I did it again with Onegu in Hammertime but I'm not sure if I explicitly framed it as such. Anyway, look at this sequence right here. LS's entry into the thread was really off-the-wall. He acknowledges the main event that had happened so far, commented on Palmar apparently suspecting Damdred without giving a reason... but instead decided not to ask about that and asked a question to no one in particular about nothing in particular. I called him mafia and he immediately OMGUSed me saying I was just trolling when I was obviously town at the time. Eden, you know how certain people are cut some slack because of meta? LS not exactly following the thread or being able to explain his reads in a way that others can follow aren't alignment-indicative, and it's more than just meta. My problem is I'm not seeing the rambles today where he goes on about a read, makes some comments about what happened since last he came into the thread, all in big run-on sentences. He just said something weird about an 8-ball and who was mafia based on potential NKs lol. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On February 08 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote: And as he's so mets driven it makes sense that he scum reads you when he says your mafia meta is trolling. Has he played town with you? He was town both games we played before and I was mafia both games we played before | ||
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Holyflare
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Eden1892
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This game is harder than it has any right to be :/ I guess I'll be that guy, is there any chance it's marv? | ||
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Holyflare
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He's entirely underwhelming but i doubt he's mafia. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 08 2015 16:40 Eden1892 wrote: Urgh fuck it, I got to the part of Ls's filter where d1 EOD happened and it seemed legit This game is harder than it has any right to be :/ I guess I'll be that guy, is there any chance it's marv? Watch out, he'll lynch you for that xP No, in all seriousness, it's possible but the chance is like infinitesimal. I'd sooner think bresh is pulling a vivax than I would marv cc'd you to fake-claim miller, and he's been pretty active in the thread, too. | ||
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Breshke
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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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On February 06 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote: Like I have no idea where to go, and Damdred has all these things i feel icky about On February 06 2015 07:32 marvellosity wrote: tbh I might just vote Damdred and let town do whatever it wants. which is bound to end badly. On February 06 2015 07:33 marvellosity wrote: I dunno. maybe i should just stick on onegu On February 06 2015 07:42 marvellosity wrote: i don't mind an onegu lynch you guys can do it. On February 06 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: I really think we should lynch Damdred but at the same time i'm not confident enough to shout at people doing other things. Boo. + Show Spoiler + EXTRA FUN TIME: LET'S ALL LAUGH AT MARV LOLOLOL On February 06 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote: I think Koshi is a shocking lynch in this situation tbh Now it would be remiss not to note that marv did eventually turn it around a bit. In the last couple of minutes he was yelling for people to kill Damdred. But I'm still uneasy about how hesitant marv was about lynching Damdred. Maybe it's an unfair expectation, but I knew where I wanted to go during EOD. I wanted one of Onegu or Koshi and ended up choking on which one to pick, but there was never any doubt in my mind about the other wagons. I feel like several other people could reasonably be described in the same way. It almost seems like marv was leaving his options open about where to go until he had to pick something, and he went with the read he had been building up most of the game because it sounded legit and consistent and whatnot. Then during the night marv passed the baton to me, which I totally didn't think anything about because at my core I'm an insecure high schooler who never got over the bullying and constantly seeks validation living in the body of a 23-year-old. shouts to blazinghand Nah but really I got blinded by the fact that one of the tlmafia gods was basically like "Eden is cool, I'll let him choose the lynch today" to think about it further. The analogous situation I have in mind here is when Damdred ended my whole mafiaside career last game. marv along with basically everyone else passed the baton to Damdred, but it was because Damdred built a tier-1 baller case on me that spewed gold from the pores on its silky smooth skin. Here I didn't have anything nearly as much of a lock as Damdred's case, but marv was okay handing me the baton because my reads, which have been about as ironclad and unwavering as a dandelion floret, mostly agreed with his at the time. Given how much I've moved around, does that seem like a very good reason to give someone the keys? Another thing that might implicate marv is the nightkill. We've all been wondering about this one for a while, and I think I finally have a plausible reason for why Palmar died. It starts here: On February 05 2015 23:19 Palmar wrote: Also seeing as marv has about 15% of the posts in this game, I'm super unimpressed with his results. I don't really think he's mafia, I was just hoping to find something I could sheep. On February 06 2015 07:46 Palmar wrote: Jesus christ guys btw. Literally everyone here is townreading me and marv. We agree on the Damdred lynch. Maybe we're bad, maybe one is fooling the other. But it's a fairly good case to sheep. On February 06 2015 07:52 Palmar wrote: btw, I 100% support a yololynch on marv. Even if I'm fairly confident he's town. On February 06 2015 19:41 Palmar wrote: Marv, you know that if we lose this game, in a game where we're both town and figure each other out on day 1, we're going to have to play in a newbie game as repentance. Palmar was townreading marv, yeah? But then this happened: Granted there was no actual followup and there's a decent chance it was a joke, but nonetheless. Palmar and marv have played a lot of games together, and given enough time Palmar is typically pretty good about catching marv. The mafia may have thought they needed a medic dodge - they obviously lack an RB since Breshke's shot got through, and Breshke as a claimed vig is a perfect medic dodge. But then why Palmar over, say, me? I am as always the perfect medic dodge, here because no doc is ever not going to save a claimed vig who says he's going to shoot and because I'm clear town besides. You can see that marv starts to suspect Koshi as momentum shifts decidedly toward Koshi getting shot. This is pretty natural reaction for mafia here, but it's also possible that marv is town and comes around to Koshi. So why do I think this is more likely coming from scum!marv? Because of his description of how it happened, both at the time and later: On February 07 2015 00:08 marvellosity wrote: like koshi should know that townies don't double check things and misremember things all the time. such a silly read. On February 07 2015 07:37 marvellosity wrote: so eden's gonna die and i'm gonna sheep him on koshi. that seems to be how it's going to go. On February 08 2015 01:43 marvellosity wrote: yeah tbh Eden's certainty on Koshi gradually made me certain on Koshi some sort of voodoo It wasn't because of my initial, correct arguments on Koshi, which marv apparently found unconvincing enough to say that Koshi was "a shocking lynch" at d1 EOD. Nor was it because of Koshi's decidedly unsatisfying argumentation during n1, which marv only went as far as to call "silly" on his own. No, it appears that marv decided Koshi was mafia because I was persistent enough that Koshi was mafia? This is a bad reason to think Koshi is mafia, given the reasons marv could think Koshi is mafia. I have been persistent about a bunch of reads on a bunch of people all game, some of them mutually contradicting and not all of them reads marv agreed with. Isn't it a little bit weird that on this one he decided I was persistent enough on, one which he never even explicitly comes around to agreeing with, Koshi ends up flipping mafia? So as marv awkwardly gives up mafia!Koshi for dead, mafia shoots the guy who would be most likely to pick up on any oddities in marv's play, even though that guy was being thrown around as possibly mafia himself due to not having the most stellar game at the time. They must have really wanted Palmar dead, right? What other reason than to keep marv out of trouble? And now, here we are today, with an incredibly heavy decision to make between JAT and HF. Both of them have, in my mind, been pretty convincing at times. I've flip-flopped twice I think between which one I want to kill. Where is marv in all of this? He was around for JAT's big push on HF, but spent that time questioning rsoultin on the case instead of JAT himself or instead of trying to leave questions for HF to answer when HF got back in the thread. I get that marv wasn't around for this latest bit because it was too late to be playing for anyone besides HF (seriously, how do you do it?), but thus far I've found him to seem incredibly uninterested in actually deciding between JAT and HF, given the gravity of the decision. It seems, once again, as though he's waiting for a consensus to form before he steps in, where I expect marv as town to be the one trying to drive that consensus instead. marv's game has just been too passive. His filter is massive once again, but he broke that tell in Imperial. His only concerted push all game was on Damdred, and he got an incredible case of cold feet about it during deadline, like he was hoping some other convenient wagon would form. The nightkill actually implicates him pretty strongly, because marv has a lot of respect for Palmar's play and ability to read him, and no other mafia really has the same impetus to get Palmar, specifically, taken out over someone else who's active and contributing. And here we are again with another big decision and his presence has been uncharacteristically unremarkable. Starting to think marv is the lynch today. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
VOTE MARV LOLOLOL | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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can you be any stupider? | ||
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marvellosity
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Breshke
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Like the palmar stuff could mean he is mafia but it could also be for an entirely different reason. Also i don't believe marv was the only one to shoot down the lynch on koshi didnt HF also do that and convinced you to lynch onegu? I agree marv has been passive but I can kind of understand that on this day because it really feels like everyone has been all over the place other than JAT and HF who are going hard on each other. That's another reason why i think the lynch has to be one of those two today because if it isn't i don't think the conversation is going to move on as it doesn't seem either is going to reconsider on the other. Like what has bats done today? What is LS doing? I feel that neither of these two have put in effort to solve the game today. If the lynch isnt on HF or JAT that is where I would want it to end up. I think if marv is mafia today isn't the day we lynch him. | ||
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