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Koshi
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Eden1892
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On February 06 2015 18:18 Koshi wrote: You called SL mafia multiple times. And you stopped calling him scum because you joined his wagon? Nice. Sweet deflection from the filter boom. You know I'm town, this isn't going anywhere. For your convenience: On February 05 2015 08:38 Eden1892 wrote: Haha I just read sicklucker's filter after rsoultin mentioned him and came across this post This sounds hella fraudulent to me I also think SL is probably town, both for the thing marv pointed out and his general demeanor. He's a lot more light and clearly having more fun, like he doesn't feel the need to prove himself this game. It fits with his self-declared preference for playing mafia, I think if he were mafia he would be more uptight than he has been because he'd be trying hard to win. And he also kept trying to do stuff d1 even after declaring that he would skip out on the day. Yeah, I changed my mind a few times throughout the day on SL's alignment. I ultimately settled in on him as town about 1.5 hrs before EOD though, and I was very vocal about why. It's exactly like I said earlier: The mafia in this game are identified through the absence of behavior rather than the presence of sketchy behavior. The thread is spammy (sort-of-sorry) and all the popular targets were clear lynchbait (including Onegu, with the meds excuse, but I lost sight of my focus for a minute near EOD and mislynched him). | ||
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Koshi
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7 vs 3 6 vs 2 nk +vig 5 vs 2 ml 2 4 vs 2 nk 3 vs 2 ml 3 2 vs 2 loss after nk worst scenario vigi: 7 vs 3 5 vs 3 nk + vigi 4 vs 3 ml 2 3 vs 3 loss after nk No shot vigi: 7 vs 3 6 vs 3 nk 5 vs 3 ml 2 4 vs 3 nk 3 vs 3 loss after ml 3 Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because 1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....) 2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?) and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY. + the claim would be pretty insane mafia play. So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad. | ||
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Eden1892
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Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud. | ||
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Eden1892
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On February 06 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote: best scenario vigi: 7 vs 3 6 vs 2 nk +vig 5 vs 2 ml 2 4 vs 2 nk 3 vs 2 ml 3 2 vs 2 loss after nk worst scenario vigi: 7 vs 3 5 vs 3 nk + vigi 4 vs 3 ml 2 3 vs 3 loss after nk No shot vigi: 7 vs 3 6 vs 3 nk 5 vs 3 ml 2 4 vs 3 nk 3 vs 3 loss after ml 3 Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because 1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....) 2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?) and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY. + the claim would be pretty insane mafia play. So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad. He would shoot if he felt he had a chance to hit mafia, naturally. You'll notice no one recommended he shoot until people (me and HF) got confident in our suspects. Breshke would be confirmed as town vig if he shot mafia. It's pretty simple. If he hits a townie then he's unconfirmed naturally, although I think setup speculation would still favor town vig. (Antitown role in miller + something as strong as scum vig? We better be sitting on some damn haymaker roles.) But incidentally this is another good example of Koshi approaching this from a mafia POV. He makes a decent point that Breshke isn't absolutely confirmed just because he shoots, but instead of recognizing this as an oversight, he immediately reaches for the most sinister conclusion he can. He's not earnestly trying to determine any alignments, he's just trying to turn any mole hill he can latch onto into a mountain. | ||
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Koshi
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On February 06 2015 18:27 Eden1892 wrote: So this is actually another great reason for why Koshi is mafia. Palmar if you're town you'll dig this pretty hard. Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud. 1) I ask you to tell me why your read changed. How am I not trying to understand? On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote: Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever. 2) I am scumhunting. That is looking for oddities. I was around when you were yelling SL was a distraction lynch. BUT that was just to get me or Onegu lynched. THAT DOES NOT COUNT. Look at me: I am protecting town to lynch these other 2 townies. GJ EDEN 3) Mostly I have 3 pages of filter as scum D1 and then 6 pages after D3. So I am now confirmed town to you? | ||
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Holyflare
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justanothertownie
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To Breshke: If you are the vig. Think for one second. In general our situation is the following: If you shoot correctly we do NOT gain a mislynch. If you say who you shoot beforehand you will probably get rbed anyways since rb is the only role that makes sense for scum to have in this scenario. If you miss we lose a mislynch and go to triple LYLO instantly. You NEVER shoot here. NEVER. Then considering the targets: There is a reason high profile players are generally not a good shot and that's because if you try to lynch them their alignment will become obvious. That's why shooting anyone out of marv, me, Koshi and Palmar is an awful awful idea. | ||
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Holyflare
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Koshi
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On February 06 2015 18:31 Eden1892 wrote: He would shoot if he felt he had a chance to hit mafia, naturally. You'll notice no one recommended he shoot until people (me and HF) got confident in our suspects. Breshke would be confirmed as town vig if he shot mafia. It's pretty simple. If he hits a townie then he's unconfirmed naturally, although I think setup speculation would still favor town vig. (Antitown role in miller + something as strong as scum vig? We better be sitting on some damn haymaker roles.) But incidentally this is another good example of Koshi approaching this from a mafia POV. He makes a decent point that Breshke isn't absolutely confirmed just because he shoots, but instead of recognizing this as an oversight, he immediately reaches for the most sinister conclusion he can. He's not earnestly trying to determine any alignments, he's just trying to turn any mole hill he can latch onto into a mountain. No? I am proving that people who push breshke for shooting to "confirm" himself are fucking frauds. Because it is pretty clear he is town from the claim itself. Eden confirmed not reading or mafia. | ||
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justanothertownie
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Holyflare
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Koshi
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote: Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing It is important because you fuckers want to shoot me. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote: Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing Really? There is no way this guy is town. | ||
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Koshi
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote: Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing This guy has 0 problems with vigi shooting town. | ||
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Koshi
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On February 06 2015 18:42 Holyflare wrote: No we want to shoot into a list and you've done shit all all game and literally said "this is what happens when i don't play" and instead of find mafia you've somehow come to the conclusion the towniest people are the mafia and somehow ignore absolutely everyone else in the game Why exactly are you town? | ||
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