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On February 27 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why aren't you signing up for this game in the meantime robik? Cos he knows I read him like an open book. | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why aren't you signing up for this game in the meantime robik? On February 28 2015 07:57 your mom wrote: /in On February 27 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why aren't you signing up for this game in the meantime robik? On February 27 2015 19:45 Mocsta wrote: Cos he knows I read him like an open book. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:36 sandroba wrote: well if somehow everyone gets behind it I see no problem turning this into a normal lynch. This will require extreme self-control by a town player who is about to get shot, however, because if you manage to shoot before someone shoots you, you will waste 2 of town lynches instead of one. I really like this post.  Quick reading the thread, this thought did not register to me. Indicates Sandroba was critically evaluating the thread to provide constructive criticism. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:28 geript wrote: Quite insulted I am being referenced in this group of players The last game I saw this was with VE and BH I think. Where VE got lynched after a missed shot I think. Like them potentially soaking up KP is possible but unlikely until D3-4 unless one of a handful of people get it. There's also the aspect that if they're a good/decent player, they can suck up roles/powers given by the spirits. Like if they get medic or vet it's pretty useless. Tracker would be useless too. Louie them remaining in the game leaves more room for mafia to hide in and has far more potential to fuck up town than help town. Assuming all 4 shots go off, odds are they only hit 1 mafia. Maybe 2 if we're really lucky. Imagine if like batsnacks, Slam, Mocsta or LS got the role though. Like shit would hit the fan real fast. Like that's the really important thing. Is it they're ever about to be lynched then they 100% will fire indescriminantly and likely hit town. This isn't even considering them presumptively killing people to get them off their back. The roles are super wifomy. Like I remember Kita shooting someone as 3P 10 minutes before a lynch to try and get multiple people killed and they could manipulate things that way too. Like they're really really bad for us unless they never shoot or only shoot perfectly. two things we can't count on.  | ||
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On March 03 2015 16:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Except that the post is really bad because that is something that is never gonna happen and everyone knows it. Hopefully someone shoots koshi before sandroba shoots a townie. I disagree. Plenty of town players would attempt to "counter-shoot' shoot out of spite. Pointless aside, lets not continue this specific line of discussion | ||
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Has your position on HtS altererd? | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:12 AT.Epiphany wrote: Hi guys, I am sorry I'm late, but the game starts at 4:30 am in my time-zone. I'm not inclined to be an early riser and in any case for professional reasons that isn't an option. My work requires me to be rested during the day. So first off, before I post anything more substantive, I have a comment about the device. I see a very rapid bandwagon towards pressing it, which I don't really understand very well. The device is unknown and we have no idea what it's impact on the game will be, or whom it will favour. Most of the 'reasoning' I've seen for pressing it can be summarized as 'YOLO' or 'don't be pansy' and similar emotive appeals rather than any concrete reason. One sensible voice pointed out we should guard it until we are behind or doing badly and then press, but he didn't seem to be too invested in the whole issue and didn't pursue it much. He's dead right though; the device randomizes the game, and because town is majority, that itself makes it town favoured. The way we extract an advantage from the device is to gain the ability to randomize the game when it's going badly, not by just saying 'YOLO' and pressing a button, and I'm mildly suspicious of those who started this "PRESS" bandwagon. I really can't overstate the importance of this, and I really want a discussion of this issue and/or responses to it. I'm not attempting to deflect discussion away from the shot, and I'll comment on that in a bit, but this is an important issue and that's why I've dedicated a separate post to it. There is literally no reason not to vote GUARD on the device and I want those who are currently voting PRESS to explain their logic if any. Worst post in the game by far. Doing a turbo read, and this thought certainly never entertained my thought process. translation innocent scum (AT.Epiphany): Hey guys, i dunno what to post scum leader (XXXX): just bullshit man. start of the game people just looking for good vibes and confidence. innocent scum (AT.Epiphany): OK "XXXX" let me post about this useless button pressing that has zero relevance this early. innocent scum (xxxx): and MAKE sure you don't call out anyone sepcific for pressing dat button. Blending in is the key to winning. | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:26 AT.Epiphany wrote: So your reasoning is that he sounds coherent and therefore he is scum because someone else said he's incoherent when he's town? If he's capable of being coherent, I can't see why he wouldn't be coherent when he's town. I'm also unsure why you aren't venturing any opinion or read of your own, but relying on some comment someone made on some other occasion? Second worst post of the game. I must have won the lottery Of all posts to reply to, this fixation is odd? Perhaps they know each other, Slam is a scum buddy, or <insert other> (1) This is a nitpick statement (in line with this first post) that makes no attempt to harness information from Tubesock. (2) AT.Epiphany makes no attempt to call TS town or scum (yet calls out TS for not venturing a self-justified read) Classic contradiction. translation innocent scum (AT.Epiphany): OK guys. I did it!!! I finally did it. My first mafia post scum leader (XXXX): well done. keep it up and you will have blended in no time. innocent scum (AT.Epiphany): OK "XXXX" ohohohoh i found a sucker picking on easy biat like Slam !!!!. innocent scum (xxxx): go for it son. innocent scum (AT.Epiphany): I'm so clever. I made a useless post with no intent to help the thread. I'm so clever!! | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta in fact yes, i liked her post on Slam. That will be all for now. | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:20 AT.Epiphany wrote: First off, I'm not throwing the newbie card, literally Mocsta's entire post is about making fun of me being a newbie in his faux 'translation', so stop faking that accusation. Secondly, I'm not sure if he's scum or not, (which is why I didn't accuse him) but it does seem strange to me argue that Slam is scum because he is coherent. If he's capable of being coherent, there's no reason why he wouldn't be so as town and moreover what I objected to was that the only reasoning tubesock provided was "kochi said so this some other game" which is a very strange reason. Lets talk some more. It appears you are pouncing on the logic of others without considering your read on either player?? Tell me 2 tentative things: (1) Read on koshi (2) Read on Slam I am not looking for concrete justification. A lean will do. | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:31 AT.Epiphany wrote: i'm going to drop you for nowOk the read on Slam is easier, and my read on him is that he's Town. His post on the lynching method is accurate and correctly outlines what town ought to be doing. He's working towards a plan that has been entirely derailed by this shitstorm. The read on Koshi's much tougher because he's said/done very little and I don't know him well enough to be able to interpret that very well. I'm leaning towards Townie, partly because he strongly wants to lynch vigilante shooters who get it wrong and partly because I don't think he'd be that open about non-participating if he was Mafia. I know WIFOM, but no one really buys WIFOM defenses and he's put himself right in front of the spotlight. basis (1) I don't find this conversation (or Geripts productive) Seems at the moment that this is more philosphical debates on how to play mafia vs. actaul mafia interference (2) If you did find Slam + Koshi town. it would be natural to assume people attacking them are not. (3) BH is in this game  Continuing the chat I have to take a dump. But next on my list is Breche + Sepultura. THoughts? | ||
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To the point. Sort of witty. Even prompted me to read into OWS, of which I like the direction. Fully agree with the assessment of: On March 03 2015 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Its the whole passive aggressive feel YET lack of implication in the post.What exactly are you expecting ftr? A bunch of people pressured her to draw a conclusion so would you just expect her to say nothing? Scum points for you. This is how I would write a post as scum. Like a chihuahua hiding behind a fence. barking through a megaphone. | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I heavily disagree geript. Mocsta could also be scum. There is one really bad comment he should never make as town. Should doesnt equivocate to never would. Thoughts on OWS please. | ||
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On March 03 2015 18:07 roundabound wrote: Lol Not everyone is capable of perfect play Everyone can be fallacious We have to judge if malicious I deem it not. If you disagree. Expound Sorry, was on phone. I can't beleive its been that long since I logged onto TL hahaha. Anyways, I was more alluding hes either faking dubm (a la BH) or is the typical fallacious status quo. I judged a lot of the interactions as philosophical warring and treat him as #2 (fallacious) currently. Thus, my current expectation for him is to act in the way you deem unfit for perfect play. Anyways, enough theorycrafting. Will be back later. | ||
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On March 03 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i buy this explanation. So your conclusion (yes, in the post where you originally posted your comment i talked about it WAS a conclusion of yours) is that he, as town, for some reason should scumread people who scumread his town reads. I have absolutely no idea how you end up on this conclusion because it is a narrative YOU invented for him and nothing in his play implicates he should think this way. Rayn, You don't speak english as a first langugage. That I can udnerstand you clearly is a bonus; not an expectation. Nothing Epiphany makes me think of him as the new Marv in wit; or Ver in analysis. If you want to judge others to those standards, be my guest. Whether I do, is my choice independent of town or scum. Stop shitting the thread on soemthing taht is not alignment indicative. Heippa | ||
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On March 03 2015 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I posted as I read the thread.The problem here for me is that apparently Mocsta sees you as some kind of a dumbass who has no clue in how to play mafia. I heavily disagree with that because of your post on geript. While i think you are wrong on geript's alignment and at the start of the game focused on things i find to be irrelevant your post on geript was really thought out and it fits with how you think the D1 here should be played in your opinion. I find those cases on geript a massive towntell for you, and i also find them to show that you are actually well capable of thinking which makes you NOT a bad player. However Mocsta seems to be thinking the opposite and i can't understand why. Like i don't even know what he got out of calling you mafia??? Many big wasted posts to end up in a conclusion "this guy is dumb"?? I don't buy it. I genuinely thought his first two posts were scummy. However, he has an influx of posts on the proceeding pages that: A - Do not move the thread forward B - Heavily argue his theory on how the game should be play (akin to yourself right now) Clearly, someone could make a case on him saying he is posting useless content for the sake of it... however, i think he is a butthurt over-zealous individual, as opposed to someone maliciously posting in the thread to destroy town atmosphere/blend in. This makes him a low priority for my evaluation day 1. Frankly, I am surprised you haven't question Epiphany regarding his town read of Koshi. | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record i wanna press the device to see what happens, now when if it's a bad thing it doesn't fucking kill us outright. sandroba suggesting this: is scummyscummyscum..... The only correct way to do this is either figure out what pressing the device does NOW, or destroy it immediately. And you want the cake to eat it.... On March 03 2015 16:18 Mocsta wrote: Hi guys. ##Vote: Destroy Bye guys. Scum if you want to guard. Scum if you want to destory. Let me guess.. only town want to press... the signature is proven true Rayn. Hail Palmar | ||
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I must say, i find this an odd way to approach the game.?? | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know the underline how? Because i sure as hell don't know it. Im about to ahve dinner. please pursue. This is a valid pickup i think. | ||
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Bresche filter. Conclusion: Fairly likely to be mafia Recommend to be shot Reasoning Wishywashy Content Bresche early filter focuses on the "plan" for town to control the shot after 24hrs. This is not typically alignment indicative early on, however, it is interesting to note that Bresche has a focus on establishing "town" reads; and not questioning his "scum" reads. Even more so, given that Rayn has been quite active in the thread. Further, note the confidence Bresche exudes when referring to Tubesock (and to a lesser degree Slam + Koshi + FecalFeast) as town. Everyone knows list collaborations are an easy tool for scum to utilising when feigning contribution. But Bresche begs to differ, offering the generic morsel that this effort is too much to be scum. Which leads us to Congruence I get no focus in his filter. There is talk but none of it has proper conclusions that are reinforced within *THIS* game. His filter has no consistency in thought. Posts within a short duration jump from target to target; which when combined with the tendency to buddy people as town indicate a motive to blend in and offer meaningless contributions. Possibly best exemplified by: On March 03 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote: Can you explain these when you are around rayn? I can get behind a koshi shot though rereading horn it is more similar than i thought it was. ##Vote Koshi & On March 03 2015 15:10 Breshke wrote: Couple points1) He suggested we nominate someone to shoot so i don't think that he is trying to avoid us lynching a consensus 2) He then later stated that he ment he doesn't care if we shoot mafia or 3p 3)Isn't trying to debunk any plan useful as it can show any weakpoints it has? Yes it could be frustrating but yeah. 4) I dont think this is true. Yeah vets seem to listen to other vets more than newbies but with geript gunning for some of them (rayn for example) how do you think he can count on them to back him? You say you are a newbie here yet you seem to think you know geripts meta fairly well which doesn't really add up. Also I don't like that you promised to talk about the shot before damdred started going hard against you which led me to believe you had thoughts on people other than him yet what you have posted is mostly from after you said you would give thoughts which leads me to believe you had nothing at the time yet you got angry at geript for not waiting for you to post. Im not sure if im making sense or not but if you could give reads on other people that would probably help. Bresche goes into a lot of detail to debunk Epiphany points on Geript, however, at no point takes a stance on Geript OR EPIPHANY This is critical. Bresche last 2 paragraphs reads as "Im about to wreck yo", and ends miserley with ... "please post more" Think about this.. town *WANT* to pursue their scumspects. What we get here is Bresche saying this: (1) I want you to hang yourself; or, (2) I want someone else to take the lead with hanging you; or, (3) I am giving myself flexibilty to pursue or withdraw. I havent played mafia in about a year, but to me, this has always been indicative of a mafia mentality. | ||
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Also notice how meek Bresche is. Yes hes talking, but again, it feels like for the sake of talking. All his calls to someone being scum, are then smoothed out with justifications to backpedal. Case in point: On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote: Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. [red]Could be biased here because of that though.[/'red] I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now. I wont bother to dabble in the button stuff Rayn already covered This guy has put a votge on Koshi to be shot, and this token effort is all we get: On March 03 2015 21:40 Breshke wrote: You are one of the main people being considered to be shot. If you want to play this at all you might want to start sooner than that Koshixxx | ||
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On March 03 2015 23:12 Koshi wrote: Like, you can think I am maybe mafia for not doing things because that reminds you of me doing nothing and being mafia. I am fine with that. I think it is normal that you think that. Or possible. People remember things. But if you claim you reread an entire game so you could match my meta of that game to the meta of this game you are seriously overdoing it. And you are scum. you yourself pointed out several using meta to support their accusation. Are you suggesting the above is the whole scum team? When i read the 5 quotes you posted, I see varying degrees of intent. Do you? | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:26 roundabound wrote: Some musings 1. I thought rayn read pretty genuine in his pursuit of your mom so I'm "ok" that he took the shot. Still a town lean. 2. Probally a pointless question.... But did Robik actually try and shoot or timed it early intentional? For someone with so little presence. I find it poor form to try and take the shot. This is prob more a personal disagreement vs. Anything of merit to scumhunting though. 3. My bresche points? Is sandroba the only person that agree he looks fishy? I think bresche is a good point of focus. If you ignored him because you think he's town, please comment on my points against him. I think Geript was the only one, and that was a soft meta rebuttal On March 04 2015 09:28 roundabound wrote: Aplologiea toad. I shoulda said sandroba and toad FFS. Bresche back in focus On March 03 2015 23:06 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=Breshke&view=all Bresche filter. Conclusion: Fairly likely to be mafia Recommend to be shot Reasoning Wishywashy Content Bresche early filter focuses on the "plan" for town to control the shot after 24hrs. This is not typically alignment indicative early on, however, it is interesting to note that Bresche has a focus on establishing "town" reads; and not questioning his "scum" reads. Even more so, given that Rayn has been quite active in the thread. Further, note the confidence Bresche exudes when referring to Tubesock (and to a lesser degree Slam + Koshi + FecalFeast) as town. Everyone knows list collaborations are an easy tool for scum to utilising when feigning contribution. But Bresche begs to differ, offering the generic morsel that this effort is too much to be scum. Which leads us to Congruence I get no focus in his filter. There is talk but none of it has proper conclusions that are reinforced within *THIS* game. His filter has no consistency in thought. Posts within a short duration jump from target to target; which when combined with the tendency to buddy people as town indicate a motive to blend in and offer meaningless contributions. Possibly best exemplified by: & Couple points Bresche goes into a lot of detail to debunk Epiphany points on Geript, however, at no point takes a stance on Geript OR EPIPHANY This is critical. Bresche last 2 paragraphs reads as "Im about to wreck yo", and ends miserley with ... "please post more" Think about this.. town *WANT* to pursue their scumspects. What we get here is Bresche saying this: (1) I want you to hang yourself; or, (2) I want someone else to take the lead with hanging you; or, (3) I am giving myself flexibilty to pursue or withdraw. I havent played mafia in about a year, but to me, this has always been indicative of a mafia mentality. | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:31 sandroba wrote: Mmmm will have to re-read that exchange.I actually compared his meta after my gaffe and this game he is much more similar to his town meta. wishywashyness points to town in his case. So given koshi flipped town. You don't skew his original soft town lean on koshi as suspicious?? | ||
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thats the only question worth asking from his post? srs keirathi?? | ||
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On March 04 2015 11:03 IAmRobik wrote: I'd think mocsta has the best read on rayn of anyone here. Not sure why he's basically avoiding reading him I gave a read on Rayn already. Like maybe 3 posts up from this in my filter | ||
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On March 04 2015 11:02 Keirathi wrote: I dont follow.Yes, it's the weirdest thing about his filter. I can mostly follow his logic with rayn, I just mostly disagree with it because rayn is rayn. Rayn is rayn equivocates to disagreement with the evidence; or disagree with the conclusion? | ||
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On March 04 2015 11:12 IAmRobik wrote: you talked about breshke, not rayn. You haven't given a read on rayn even though >1/2 your filter involves rayn in one way or another On March 04 2015 09:34 Mocsta wrote: On March 04 2015 09:26 roundabound wrote: Wheres this coming from?Some musings 1. I thought rayn read pretty genuine in his pursuit of your mom so I'm "ok" that he took the shot. Still a town lean. I haven't played mafia in over 6months. potentially 1 year. Why should *I* know rayn so well. Where is *YOUR* read of rayn? | ||
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On March 04 2015 13:50 Breshke wrote: I don't get it.You could read batsnacks if you like. He has a short filter but im not really sure how in touch with the game it would make you. Just hope it is cell next so there is specific people you can look into Last night I was a scum read to you I make a "case" on you You ignore Then chase someone who called me scum I repost the "case" Still no acknowledement | ||
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On March 04 2015 14:06 Breshke wrote: Whether Geript thinks of you as town or scum; he also indicated that you were not new. That you were not a weak player; and that you were capable of logical thought processes.Since you want people to talk about this mocsta ill give me view. First of all rayn was a scumread of mine and i did question him i asked him to explain some of his reads(You quote this post later not sure how you missed it). It was clear he wasn't around so yes i moved on. When rayn returned to the thread he did start explaining this reads which i then understood so i then town read him. Also about tubesock i never town read him for making a list post. I town read him for trying to form a plan which i believed would turn a more scum favored lynch type into a normal lynch. Not only that but he went to the trouble of compiling everyone's reads and promised he would continue tot ally the vote. I believed this made him town because he was actively trying to make the game better for town. Your Congruence bit is whatever I talk about what I want to and find it hard to get scum reads on D1 and often just find myself jumping around finding towns. Onto geript and AT your right I never said what i thought of them. That was more out of frustration because Geript was seemingly not even giving AT a chance so while i was finding everything that AT was saying to be wrong I was at least going to try and give him a chance. He then continued to respond to geript and not to me which caused me to not care about the situation especially since geript still wanted to shoot koshi. Anyway i think Geript is my top town this game partly because he was the first to go against the idea that i was scum for all the same reasons he has before. AT i have no idea i stopped caring about his alignment I would need to reread. All your evidence for substantiating town reads is in direct contradiction of the above. Further, the above is a literal response to my accusations. No aspect details my motive for writing the case. Supposedly I am your scumspect? Should this not be me trying to bury you in OMGUS? Congruency again. Everything about your play this game is half-hearted. You talk for the sake of talking. | ||
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Are you actually going to COMMIT to any statement this game? Every read you state has a qualifier. | ||
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Further it is for a personal/fallacious reason that is difficult to read as creditable. effectively You can recant the read any time you want. My point stands | ||
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On March 04 2015 14:49 Breshke wrote: Finally.Like you say im not committing to any reads yet in those post you say im "chasing someone" So you obviously think i am forming a scumread on bats even though my post on him was wishy washy yes, yet choose to ignore that to make your accusation sound better. Also i think the fact that bats said he would shoot you has almost no bearing on your alignment or would even look bad for you if he flips scum because he didn't try and act on it. Some balls Chasing was literal. You were pestering him. Again it reads for the sake of having to talk. No conviction , no congruence. It certainly doesn't read that you though batsbacks was scummy. rather just stupid. | ||
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But that post you quoted reinforces your scumminess. Everything with you is qualifiers. Even batsnacks is a contradiction. And again. Given you said I leaned scum. Your conclusion on batsnacks is not a natural flow of thoughts. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:03 geript wrote: You apparently know me so well, hence you know all this is going to do is piss me off.Mocsta is there actually something you're trying to get at here? Because all i see is you harping on someone who you haven't even bothered to double check the meta on. How about instead of being half assed you either Link me with a source game, or read my harping on and dispel where I am going wrong. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:16 Breshke wrote: stupid was a Freudian slip. I was thinking about you when I wrote that.So where did stupid come from? Just saying it because it makes your accusation better? How is batsnacks a contradiction. Why can a scum batsnacks not say he is going to shoot scum mocsta and then guess what NOT EVEN TRY TO SHOOT. Regarding batsnacks. That logic applies to half the players in the game. Only 2 people attempted to shoot. So what's the point of your statement? That you conveniently apply evidence 'fir for purpose'? | ||
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Reads pretty fake. As in pretending to be calm and too cool. Not sure if that means mafia though.... | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:22 rsoultin wrote: nah I thought all the people that voted for a shot would be fighting to take itMocsta, how many people didn't attempt to shoot who actually said that they were going to shoot? The only others who come to mind are geript and sicklucker who both retracted when koshi was modkilled. Are you being contrary just to be contrary now? | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:22 geript wrote: All great but no reference??? Yeah I can check the database but too hard on a phone | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:29 rsoultin wrote: Give me a mafia, mocsta. Bats isn't an easy read for me, either, but Breshke isn't mafia, so who is? yes i get it. 6 ppl are mafia But not sure yet. I have a few ppl I like in the game. But there are lots with similar crappy content levels. But it's a crapshoot to call them all out. Give me someone to filter. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:31 rsoultin wrote: lol, yeah, honestly i'm not certain enough in most of my reads to ever take a shot like that, but players like rayn, robik, geript and sicklucker are all likely to take a shot as town (possibly scum, too) cause they're just that certain when they're certain. I think it's a bit nuts to think all town players will rush to get their shots off first. Not worth debating this point further. If the shot was in my time zone. I would consider taking the shot too mainly cos I don't trust anyone else . And before anyone says Australia. 7am deadline is too early to reread thread development overnight to reevaluate if required. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:35 rsoultin wrote: I just skimmed this one.Damdred. He's giving me yuck vibes this game, but I can't pin it down. I know what you mean. Feels like something out of a ver analysis. Going to re-read this and sepulte when I get home. | ||
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I.e. I got vibes like we trying to help each other out. And no this isn't buddying. Just me being happy enough that I felt like saying something outloud. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:57 geript wrote: hence why I said Maybe not mafiaThe more I look at Batsnacks the more it feels like he's just on the sidelines not doing anything. Either way I skimmed the 4 bresche games. He definitely posts more as town, bit more open too. I'm conflicted though because his standard game play is to call people town for loose reasons day1. I.e. I can half agree he is meta resolved for this early on and will self clear through productivity over the coarse of the game Fine. Will drop him | ||
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On March 04 2015 16:11 geript wrote: So batsnacks posting from the sidelines makes him maybe not mafia???? What? Well could be an enemy of the samurai? | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:43 Breshke wrote: I dont see him making any conclusions from filters other than the bats thing. Either you are mistaken or im blind. This is correct. I barely commented on them? | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:59 rsoultin wrote: Okay, yeah, I think I was confusing some of my interaction with keirathi with my interaction with mocsta...don't think his push on you was bad though, Bresh. Lol, you're not exactly the easiest to get a townread on as town specially Day 1.He should explain that bats post, though. The whole could be a ninja but not scum thing is an odd stance for me. Its pretty simple. I got the vibe that he is holding back. At the same time, when he posts, its quite relaxed. THATS THE CONNUNDRUM. Most people that try to post relaxed (as mafia) come across as try-hard. Not Batsnacks. I get: intentionally not contributing/withholding, but relaxed. ==> Potential samurai enemy or useless town. I'm giving him benefit of the doubt, and scratching useless town. | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:59 rsoultin wrote: Okay, yeah, I think I was confusing some of my interaction with keirathi with my interaction with mocsta...don't think his push on you was bad though, Bresh. Lol, you're not exactly the easiest to get a townread on as town specially Day 1.He should explain that bats post, though. The whole could be a ninja but not scum thing is an odd stance for me. Having said that. Between my interchange with Bretsche (around p70??) and now, I think it has been town-dominated conversation. The atmosphere in those ~7 pages has been in general quite positive. As i said, it feels like working in a team. This is important. Because its quite a contrast from the first 30 pages. Regardless of whether you think I am town or mafia (or samurai enemy) the thread has shifted towards a more discussion/factual place  Have some other thoughts, but gotta make dinner. | ||
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On March 04 2015 20:39 Tubesock wrote: The reaction to "100%" is really out of proportion I think.I'm stuck on him pushing for a shot at the last minute. Basically, egging on one of the more zealous towns (Hi Rayne!/Robik!). Then he doesn't, like gah it just makes me mad. When you read it, what were your impressions? Most likely, its a comical retort to: On March 04 2015 07:50 IAmRobik wrote: the shot is coming up and i'm not 100% sure but i'm 100% shooting On March 04 2015 07:56 batsnacks wrote: I am 100% shooting. If you are town you should 100% be trying to beat me. Impressions wise: I think this has been beaten to death. I don't see anything that makes me want to lynch batsnacks as a top 2 pick. | ||
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On March 04 2015 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, hows life. i havent read the thread, I have no intention of reading the thread, but whoever shot should really but put under heavy sscrutny. ummm.. it came from your account? | ||
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On March 04 2015 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote: So I took a quick look at rayn's filter, cant be bothered. Keirathi's filter is more interesting though. He kinda pokes around accusing koshi and other people of certain things, but never goes all the way or even extends the convesation past one or 2 posts. I dont have a shot, what are you talking about? Yeah so breshke is highly likely to be scum. From what I read, anyone can shoot and when someone dies, the day esnds. So its a great opportunity to extend the day, kinda like instant majority. But nope, breshke shot so fast and ended it. Breshke didn't shoot. *YOU* did. Check Artanis filter. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:56 sandroba wrote: The only one I heavily lean town on is sepulchre because of his big intro post which I really liked. @Sandroba Can you walk me through the appeal of this first post? I liked his post @ that point in time, mainly because i thought everyone was faffing about, and this appeared to apply some direction. However, given more posts in his filter and reevaluating after 70 odd pages. i dont understand what there is to like about it? The only angle I can see is the call out of Rayn (which ties in with your stance on Bresche)??? | ||
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On March 04 2015 23:57 Half the Sky wrote: I don't agree with that conclusion.Rayn, Here's Robik's explanation for the LS scumread when I pressed on it late D1: If I recall right, this read appeared to be out of nowhere, where he was laying back and not playing most of D1 or throwing random names of people to shoot. Robik's approach to LightningStrike in Titanic, was town approach, he was clearly tunnelled on LS and pushing LS a decent chunk of the game on posts that LS made. He did this on a perceived scumslip and LS bunched in with others he legitimately thought was scum. In this read this game, he's simply saying that LS 'isn't playing' and that was close to EoD. The only mention of LS prior is calling him a "fucking twit". His approach doesn't seem well supported or has the direction compared to his approach last game. It looks scummier for sure compared to the approach in Titanic. Aside from the shitty list post, I don't have any issues with LS What do you make of Sepulchre and OWS early game interactions? Both are on my naughty list; and both have digs @ each other that disappear in the wind. | ||
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On a re-read left with the following: Content with: LightningStrike, Tubesock, Half the Sky, Breschke, rsoultin, Toadesstern, kitaman27, geript Filters too shite to want to read: Alakslam, Onegu, sicklucker, IAmRobik Undecided: Fecalfeast, Damdred, Oatsmaster, sandroba, AT.Epiphany, Kurumi Naughty Club: OWS, Sepulchre, Keirathi | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote: LOLThese two posts seem scummy in hindsight. It's tough to follow his thought process in a sequence that makes sense. From what I can tell: 1) He reads Your Mom's filter, doesn't see anything wrong 2) He reads rayn's case, thinks it makes sense and is sold that he is mafia 3) He rereads Your Mom's filter with rayn's case in mind and still doesn't see anything wrong As far as I can tell, all three events happened by the time the first post was made since he specifically refers to rereading. If he doesn't think rayn's case works after rereading, why is he still saying that it makes sense? Can you reread Your Mom's filter with rayn's case in mind and think that BOTH rayn's case make sense and Your Mom's filter is not scummy? How does he go from "sold he's mafia" to "don't see the scum" in that twelve minute period when questioned further? I also dislike that he mentions multiple times that a large part of the read is based on his view that rayn is town, rather than finding things that make your mom is mafia. its this very post that made me town read him i see lots of town change their view based on ppl they think are towny. not sure if mafia would be so open about this to be honest. +as town im often chastised for switching "strong" viws so i know this isnt a hard mafia indicator, tl;dr hes put his cards exactly as what they are with no additional agenda/distraction afterwards. to me thats townie | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:51 geript wrote: Maybe add Mocsta to that list too. yeah i made a typo when i put you in my content group definitely now int eh naughty club. | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:55 kitaman27 wrote: Yeah i get what you are saying, but thats also perhaps more applicable if he was the bandwagon leader (i.e. rayn).Yeah switching views is something I find to be townie as well, but what I'm trying to understand is how he can consider rayn's case to be convincing and making sense, yet unable to find reasons to see why your mom is mafia. It's fine it he takes one stance or the other, but it seems like he took both stances at the same time. Realistically, you have an opinion on a player someone makes a couple of points that you agree with and suddenly your read is challenged. you re-read and are conflicted. LIke i don't care if i cop slack for this. but... a couple hours ago i said specifically i would give thoughts on sepulchre later on, cos when i read his filter as requested i was thinking. fuck me this guy is scummy. BUT i know i also said early game that i liked his first post a lot.. so i wanted to be have a re-read when the mind had a break before publicising that opinion. sounds like a similar reaction (but in reverse) for tubesock. | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kita, geript and Keirathi. Also toad. I am home in 1,5gh. Theen let's talk. fuck u guys contemplating a modkill. will make a decision in the morning. night. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:56 sandroba wrote: From memory OWS bat onegu have all being really underwhelming. All have been flying under the radar and it's likely that there are 1-2 mafia lying in that group. Oats I don't think even posted once unless I missed it, so I'd like to give him a bit of time to come in the thread and give his thoughts. The only one I heavily lean town on is sepulchre because of his big intro post which I really liked. 2 points (1) this offers some pretense for an onegu check (2) the sep town read. I need sandroba to elaborate on this further. | ||
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if town, he is unlikely to be shot by mafia if a ninja, he would have a vest to protect the shot; and prob wasnt the best shot target given we didnt lynch scum. The check is pretty solid in that he was likely to still be in the game Day 2. | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote: well, whether he is fakeclaiming or not, its prob likely onegu is town.he has more indepth reads though. Why do you think sandro is fakeclaiming? So, im more trying to understand sandroba considering i dont like sep first post (in context with the rest of his filter) | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:01 geript wrote: I'm really dumb dealing with the stupidity. It wouldn't even surprise me if one of Tube/SL is mafia and the other is ninja. Lol. Prob on the money Sl filter is so shit to read though. Sigh | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote: this.... TotallyI've literally never seen anyone fake claim cop with an inno on their teammate. Never. If someone checks onegu, both sandro and onegu die. It's not worth the risk. To me I'm prob 70% in favour of sick to be lynched. NEED to think more about the tube post me and kita were opposite reading though. Bresche. I voted to destroy | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:50 AT.Epiphany wrote: Its not obvious to me.Also, the first thing I said today is that I'm convinced Sandroba is mafia, it's rather obvious and we should lynch him. I was following up Tubesock's assumption because it's a strange one, given that the rules don't require only one mafia, and that if it actually is only one mafia, the Mafia are the only ones who could know that. Posts like this are noise. It convinces no one to tip their vote your way; and provides no one with an understanding of your point of view. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:52 geript wrote: I just assumed he would RNG 4 population out of the total. If no Mafia was present, re-roll.Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched. Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall. I suppose 2 rolls (1 for mafia, 1 for remaining) is kinda viable but i prefer the above. Meh. no value to gaming the host though. | ||
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On March 05 2015 19:17 Breshke wrote: 1. The claim doesnt make sense to me from mafia motivation. Which "clears" sandroba, and Onegu by default (unless a godfather???) but i dont really have anything to press onegu on if he was GF, which leaves me with SL/Tube.Mocsta could you explain to me why you rpefer SL over Tube. It doesn't have to be that detailed and i know you have given reasons here and there already but I just wanna see it. To be honest, i haven't pushed myself to re-read tube from last night. And sick i avoided last night, and again, going to have to compel myself to read him today. I mean,... both these guys have 7 page filters of jack shit.. the others have barely 2 pages of filter.. liek cell was meant to make this easier ffs. My thought process yesterday regarding tube was along the lines of: - was free flowing / casual - seemed consistent across the filter in motivation - didnt seem like he was actively trying to withhold information.. which is interesting because it led to me and kitamin reading a "open policy" post completely different (me town, him scum) For reference: On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote: Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him. On March 04 2015 04:00 Tubesock wrote: I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet. On March 05 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote: These two posts seem scummy in hindsight. It's tough to follow his thought process in a sequence that makes sense. From what I can tell: 1) He reads Your Mom's filter, doesn't see anything wrong 2) He reads rayn's case, thinks it makes sense and is sold that he is mafia 3) He rereads Your Mom's filter with rayn's case in mind and still doesn't see anything wrong As far as I can tell, all three events happened by the time the first post was made since he specifically refers to rereading. If he doesn't think rayn's case works after rereading, why is he still saying that it makes sense? Can you reread Your Mom's filter with rayn's case in mind and think that BOTH rayn's case make sense and Your Mom's filter is not scummy? How does he go from "sold he's mafia" to "don't see the scum" in that twelve minute period when questioned further? I also dislike that he mentions multiple times that a large part of the read is based on his view that rayn is town, rather than finding things that make your mom is mafia. On March 05 2015 00:47 Mocsta wrote: LOL its this very post that made me town read him i see lots of town change their view based on ppl they think are towny. not sure if mafia would be so open about this to be honest. +as town im often chastised for switching "strong" viws so i know this isnt a hard mafia indicator, tl;dr hes put his cards exactly as what they are with no additional agenda/distraction afterwards. to me thats townie | ||
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But the townie pool has been diluted? --> mafia have higher chance of being hit by remaining bullets. I dont think mafia kp is reduced until 2 die.. so we are better off lynching mafia (which expectation that ninja hit ninja or mafia) Thats my Philosphical poitn of view. please dont debate if you disagree. its not alignment indicative. | ||
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The key to TubeSock alignment boils down to his posiion on "your mom". Thinking about it in more detail. Mafia are very often caught in the temptation of following a strong town case on the wrong target; vs. trying to not be on the forefront when the green blood is cast. I still like the honesty though. It didnt read to me like hes trying to make himself look good. This confusion i feel truly could indicate hes a ninja. Its not like the shuriken shots were any good. Need to think more. We have 30 odd hours still. | ||
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On March 05 2015 19:29 geript wrote: Lynching ninja now is only -1 KP. Whereas lynching mafia now is like -.5 KP per night. So clearly mafia lynch >>> ninja lynch. Better long term return. Moving on please. | ||
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Should Onegu be cleared by sandroba? i.e. GF possibility? was there anything to think onegu could be town prior to the check? | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote: BTW.But your shooting koshi so thats ok. Well im caught up now. So im not the best scumhunter so im very happy we found one. I think he is by far the best shot like 80%+ flipping mafia now with his added play. Any other shot wont be anywhere near as high a percentage and your deluding yourself if you think so "rayn". People who look a little weird to me Dandred Breske toad kita Robiks town read on me makes my skin crawl I wouldnt mind you explaining that if you havent already. Hts has never town read me before either but her reasons were not terrible. Something rstoulin said that I dont want to repeat makes me think shes town This post really sits wrong with me. Theres an underlying tone of smugness behind it. | ||
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I know rayn was in it and corazon. Anyways, sicklucker fitler just gives me recalls of holyflare in that game. He was mafia btw. | ||
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On March 05 2015 19:40 sicklucker wrote: I mean if your mafia and your team made a play. (which is a play to get 2 mislynches thats 6 dead townies and seals mafia the game) Then ya I think you would back it. Its a strong allin play. So basically your entire argument for not being lynched is the dangling golden carrot Lol | ||
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Pretty much mod confirms Bresche as town Like, all good mafia want to bullshit about the button. But to follow up that button theory with a mod q, is pretty devoted. | ||
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On March 05 2015 22:06 sicklucker wrote: Sure. The mods responded to my questions too... do you have anything to contribute outside the cell personnel? | ||
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On March 05 2015 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is breshke town? I actually thought that whole line of thought is scummy because it comes outta nowhere and is a whole lotta fluff that doesnt even end with him asking everyone to destroy the device. Or any form of analysis. read his filtwe. a lot of hia focus day 1 was about similar stuff. like i get it could be pretend to feign contribution... but for me. the mod followup shows conviction. a key difference. anyways, oats. its bizairre. you started the game late. not caught up. contributed little ... yet i feel assured you are green. really odd. cant explain it actually. maybe just that gobsmacked. would take big big balls to do this sustained as scum. | ||
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On March 05 2015 22:17 Mocsta wrote: sorry dude. take that back.while having a shower. i had the thought that at.epiphany rolled ninja. going to reread his points on sandroba now i like you a lot after a dive. the sandroba lack of commitment regarding day 1 shot is a good point. i suppose witjout the cop check, he would be almost instavote. in hindsight i domt like how he bandwagoned my bresche case so cavalierly. him dropping it after being called out for contradiction is not worth any points given his experience with the game. need to sleep on tjis one. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:55 sicklucker wrote: Breske landed on koshi early day1 when the case was barely starting. What do you think? also no one wants to kill yourmom. Which makes me want to sheep rayn because I think hes town odd post, no?? most ppl said the your mom points were solid. that line of thought is non existent here | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:08 sicklucker wrote: another odd post.I was highly debating between breske and dandred. But I was hesitant and too slow on the draw. As for me making sense. It happens I had sound logic as to who was scum in that massive christmas game but people kind of got feed up that all my thoughts came through presents even tho the presents did explain why hf and ritoky were mafia. the vibe i get is that this is all a game ... that callousness is definitely more typical of a mafia mindset | ||
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On March 05 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote: this is patenty false.Like theres no town roles we all got a green font "town" pm obviously mafia didnt know that. They screwed up and gave us two confirmed towns and two confirmed mafia. Its great! koshi flipped as the town | ||
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On March 05 2015 08:56 sicklucker wrote: sandroba are you a ninja or mafia? lol how hillarious if sandroba was ninja and fake claimed a scum onegu. | ||
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Behaviorial pros: (1) has maintained activity Behavioral cons: (1) Is fixated on the same points. asnd is just refleshing out the same argument with a twist hoping someone else will bite I will treat the negativity as null. This situation cab be frustrating for either alignment. Overall. I dont get the feeling SL is trying to solve the game. He constantly relies on saying the "right" things at the "right" time; but doesnt explain in detail how the conclusion was derived. Going to read some old games of his. | ||
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On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote: day1 town post from sick'ucker... already better than a majority in this game lolIts weird because its either a. scummy because of why I just said b. A way to find a town for people who have played with him alot and know he does this. Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this. much more explanation, and though whilst delivered directly doesnt convey as mich confiedence//inside knowledge | ||
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On March 06 2015 19:16 Breshke wrote: LOL... The fucked up thing is that sandroba could be mafia with a green on onegu But.. why would scum care who the ninja is? Then again, realistically: if the town spitit gave scum!sandroba a cop check... i suppse he coulda chose onegu for funsies. Its actually kinda plausible. I know sandroba said his lack of posting had to do with a trip.. but at this stage its hard to not let go of the absence as when he was here, he didnt produce anything. yeah, really tuogh cycle | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:42 Kurumi wrote: Dear Half The Sky, Even if I possessed the means to directly acquire documentation, I would not waste such occasion to gather it about kitatheman27. Much love, Chezinu lol.. i would say,. please tell me hes the ninja.. but he shot before actions resolved.. awesome | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote count Sandroba (5): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Half the Sky sicklucker (4): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke Onegu (1): Kurumi Tubesock (1): batsnacks Not voted (9): LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Sandroba, Mocsta, kitaman27, Keirathi, IAmRobik At the current vote count, Sandroba will be lynched. You have to vote here. This is kinda where I'm at right now. goingn to vote sandroba. | ||
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I lost a lot of motivation now. I voted for sandroba cos I didn't like the people on sicklucker as per my last post. Will make a post towards end of cycle . This game prob relies on ninjas hitting mafia now. Like I hope ninjq can't win with mafia. If thyroid can't they really NEED to shoot mafia tonight | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BREAKING NEWS A Message from the Spirit of Benevolence I can't keep shaking the feeling that the most odd thing about cell was onegu. I'm not sure where I stand with the validity of the check. Not questioning he was cop checked. Questioning the validity of the result. | ||
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On March 07 2015 18:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah actually lynch sandro tmr Cease this line of thought please. Onegu has more to answer for than Sandroba. Please. BATSNACKS, is a better choice. | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:13Mocsta wrote: Sandroba (5): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Half the Sky sicklucker (4): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke Onegu (1): Kurumi Tubesock (1): batsnacks Not voted (9): LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Sandroba, Mocsta, kitaman27, Keirathi, IAmRobik On March 07 2015 07:42 Toadesstern wrote: Vote count sicklucker (10): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke, Sandroba (6): Onegu (1): Kurumi Tubesock (2): batsnacks, sicklucker Not voted (1): Keirathi 1. Keirathi is town because of the no vote. EVen with exams, no way mafia would do that to their team mates (risk modkill by simple no vote) 2. Slam unvote of sicklucker and revote looks prety bad, regardless of spirit message. I have no issue if he dies in the night, or is lynched tomorrow dependant on setup. If we were in resistance tomorrow. My top 3 top (not including myself) would be: kitamin27, keirathi, oatsmaster I would consider swapping a non-existent keirathi with 1 of at.epiphany/iamrobik. | ||
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On March 06 2015 10:52 sicklucker wrote: hmmmI think the mafias in Sandroba - Hes got a cop check which hes in a cell with and hes not trying to solve the game are you kidding me? Slam - Thinks im scum too easy Im putting up a hell of a defense Kurumi - Just making distractions hes not chezuni. Scum slipped about foolishness being the mafia spirit. Onegu - Way too believing in sandroba I think he should be somewhat skeptical as town Ls - Literally ignored me and has not contributed anything except a list post at eod when he was up for a shot. Keirathi - cant remember anything hes said all game Hts - Super lurky and everyone cant be wrong about her Bats has a chance too because I have no idea what hes doing i put kurmi as town cos of the tracker crumb, but just realised town spirit can give roles to mafia. now that we know the town spirit is syllo. it gives credibility to foolishness being a scum slip from kurmi. Im thinking mafia is Slam, Kurumi, Oneg 1 of batsnacks/HtS Geript (instead of sandroba) I havent read LS filter since night 1, so not sure on this one. | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Why the fuck do none of your lists include one of the 3 people in which one person is a confirmed fucking scum. Come on man. What a horrific post. ##vote mocsta you're a retard oats. its night time, and my scum list is in red you colour blind dumb fuck. | ||
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like get over yourself you dumb fuck. i might be wrong, but im still here trying, unlike hjalf the game. mafia havent lost anyone, and have no reason to contribute like 90% of this town. fuck u | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote: your top 3 doesnt include Onegu, who has to be the scummiest in your mind. Learn to read My top 3 list was town people.. like wtf U started the game late, but this is now just too fucken stupid to be real Yes onegu is my prime target for mafia I think sandrob is town and maybe bus driver on the cop check. Don't know don't care Onegu is scum | ||
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I was never going to modkill myself but I was getting very frustrated with being ignored and then scum read. I think my day2 opinion had 5 of the scum team. Yet I had no confidence to push because no1 wanted to interact. I agree with kita regarding stance on late post vs. No vote. If keirathi was town, would he have been mod killed? | ||
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