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On March 07 2015 01:44 kitaman27 wrote:
Sicklucker
Has trouble keeping his story straight when claiming to not know about roles from spirits, yet asking for a gun during day one.
His priorities shift pretty dramatically when learning that he is a member of the cell and has to fight for survival.
He goes after sandroba pretty hard, with little consideration that tube may be mafia, a player he hadn't even mentioned earlier.
He puts a lot of effort in reinforcing the fact that he is obvious town. He references the town role PM which mafia have knowledge of, he references his ignorance about the spirit roles, he brings up that his relationship with tube should be a town tell for us, he mentions several times that he doesn't get lynched as town.
His mafia list are the process of elimination cell members and the afks/trolls. He produced a similar list in one of the mafia games I read.
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If someone (other than sicklucker) wants to shed light to the above thoughts or point out something I'm not seeing, please share.
Diving sicklucker's filter now, trying to squeeze what I can in before dinner. Also doing a comparison for how Holyflare nabbed him in Void (unfortunately for him, it was after we nightkilled him). Looking at the relevant QT, the way he nabbed Sicklucker was contradictions in his reads. Also his strategy endgame was hitting the inactives in that game too (Bats, Slam, Vivax to an extent) as he and JAT helped drive those lynches.
I'm looking at his filter and his reads are just spread out literally all over the place. There's a disclaimer that "he's not the best scumhunter" but even in his town games, he's been quite erratic too.
One maybe contradiction on LS:
On March 04 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote:
I see lots of good shots I dont think ls is one of them robik and if you try I will be faster
On March 04 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote:Robik can we shoot koshi together? No kill Ls hes lynchbait? + Show Spoiler +
Unless I misunderstand he wants to kill LS after he denies LS is a good shot?
I'll be frank Kita, I only looked at behaviour when I was looking at all four candidates initially and only saw the arguments on mechanics after I woke up. I can definitely see sicklucker being scum here as he relies on this sort of strategy to survive as scum, he's rolled scum quite a bit now. But deciding between the two (SL/Sand) at the moment, I can sum up in three words at the moment: fuck my life. Honestly quite difficult.
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On March 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:
Tube could be mafia but I doubt it. Hes fallen off a bit. This really should be a race between the two of them I must be like the most obvious town of all time at this point. The one worrying fact is people seem to be agreeing with me. That literally never happened to me before. But if sandro is town you cant put this on me because it looks like you would have voted me over tube anyway killing a town.
Wait so you had a town read on him and now you are contemplating he's mafia just because he's fallen off a bit?
Why should others' opinions sway what you think?
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Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.)
You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped?
I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise.
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SL, that last post was for Tube, not geript. And you haven't answered my question.
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On March 07 2015 03:29 Alakaslam wrote:
If sicklucker is in the lynch pool versus Tubesock he is the obvious lynch
And Sandroba is out of contention for you because....?
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On March 07 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote:
Lynch hts and slam with fire in future days. Hts in particular is really digging deep for dirt on me.
LOL you realise I'm not finished going through your filter? And that it has been acknowledged by others that you are difficult to read?
Kitaman poured out some points against you. I don't even have my vote on you.
Why so afraid? Why the double standard?
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EBWOP post at Sicklucker for clarity:
On March 07 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote:
Lynch hts and slam with fire in future days. Hts in particular is really digging deep for dirt on me.
LOL you realise I'm not finished going through your filter? And that it has been acknowledged by others that you are difficult to read?
Kitaman poured out some points against you. I don't even have my vote on you.
Why so afraid? Why the double standard?
You gave others town points for digging stuff on you, so why am I scum for doing the same?
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On March 07 2015 03:36 Tubesock wrote:
If Sandroba IS cop and DID check Onegu and he is mafia, then Onegu is a super safe nightkill and excuse for town leading mafia to survive. Probability speaking, I don't think that all the mafia are the lurkers or baddies. That's silly.
Cheers clarifying your position, also agree with the bolded, I've said before in many games that it's atypical all members of a scumteam (and a six-person scumteam at that) would all have the same approach.
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On March 07 2015 03:44 sicklucker wrote:
Its very obvious what mafias plan could be with a fake claim.
day1 kill me lynch two townies at night
day2 kill tube lynch two townies at night
THATS SIX DEAD TOWNIES. If this is a fake claim and you believe it mafia wins straight up no if ands or buts. And people like you want to just lynch me and tubes and see what happens? The game will be over or in lylo if you do that.
This fakeclaim is literraly a 6 for 1 trade. Its not 4-1 that was an erroe.
ITS A 6-1 TRADE
Why are you assuming day 2 would be a Tube ML when Sandro and you are the leading wagons?
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On March 07 2015 03:47 sicklucker wrote:
Hts the things the others pointed out were very observtant things that even I didnt know.
All you pointed out was that I changed my read on Ls. Like no one in the history of mafia has changed there read on one player.
I see the frustration that you didnt get a "cheap read" sorry mafia hts
Please learn to read my posts - Holyflare spotted you from the Obs QT in the Void game based on how you had been changing your reads. I see I misunderstood the last set of quotes which is why I asked in bold.
You are difficult to read, so I'm using a method that's worked for someone regarded as a top player around here. Come on.
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On March 07 2015 05:51 Breshke wrote:
Bats not scumreading sandroba yet throwing away his vote on tube adds to the fact that SL is mafia.
I was thinking this possibility as well. I asked him why he didn't eval SL's filter when he has a clear reason to do so (Void) and he comes up with the most inane answer one could think of.
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What is killing me is that sandroba is also looking even worse than before esp with his one of his last set of answers to Kita.
I mean saying the people voting on him (save LS) our filters are unremarkable....this coming from someone who is scummed for being unremarkable....ah the irony.
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On March 06 2015 23:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 22:37 Half the Sky wrote:On March 06 2015 11:34 batsnacks wrote:On March 06 2015 11:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Elaborate what you think is town on Sandroba please.
Sicklucker is also not very easy to read, generally speaking. Where did you think he was town? I don't know that Sandroba is town and I didn't feel like reading SL's filter. So... it's tubes for me. Bats, I find this response really odd from you. You were in Void with sicklucker and he was scum. He managed to trick you in that game all the way through lylo. And you're taking the chance that he could potentially be doing the same here? Does not compute. Doesn't that strengthen my reasons for not wanting to read SL's filter? If I couldn't figure out his alignment for an entire game that went to lylo why would I be able to figure him out in a game I'm not even reading? It's not worth the pain it would cause me. I would much rather bury my head in the sand like an ostrich or something... Whatever the saying is. Or something.
I mean seriously, this answer, are you kidding me?
"It's not worth the pain it would cause me"
Considering at least half the game is scumming him, OWS already hinting a duel against him, this answer is absolutely ridiculous.
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On March 07 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote:
Well kurimis mafia. I think hes the most obvious mafia in the game atm. He even might have scum slipped
LS and I questioned him on why he didn't have explanations for his reads - I was suspicious of how he just towned LS when LS is not an easily townable player for people who don't know him.
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On March 07 2015 06:14 Breshke wrote:
HtS I think the lynch today should be SL but I can understand wanting to lynch sandroba. Try and imagine if sandroba hadn't of claimed. Do you think he would look as bad as he does?
Honestly I am struggling between these two. Sicklucker's play here is much like in Void. I was his scum mate in Void. I really should be voting Sicklucker, but he also pulls this shit as town it drives me batshit insane. Holyflare's method isn't applying well here because his reads are all over the place between two days and Kita's current line of reasoning falls in with why I'd vote sicklucker if someone more town was in the cell and not sandroba. The reads are mostly on afkers which is ludicrous for a six-person scumteam.
If Sandroba hadn't claimed, I'd still be evaluating him on his D1 behaviour/gameplay, which quite frankly isn't good at all. I mean the decision is hard no matter how you slice it.
I am going to try and meta a few sicklucker town games.
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On March 07 2015 06:15 IAmRobik wrote:
why the fuck is breshke still alive? Talk about obvious mafia based off of participation. Jesus christ
Pot. Kettle. Black? You realise his activity was quite substantial D2....whereas you largely AFKed D2 this game?
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EBWOP - for Breshke, Sandroba IMO looks worse today. Look at the answers he gave to kitaman particularly the scummers on his wagon, for example.
I mean if I were town and my bum is on the line and I'm about to get MLed I'd be at the VERY worst trying to give as much information like a last testament or something more substantial.
And the vote is bloody close too.
I don't understand his behaviour. I honestly don't.
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On March 07 2015 06:27 kitaman27 wrote:
lol I've gone back and forth in my head so many times -_-
Voting SL.
I'm not trying to be cynical here, but did you flip a coin or are you going off the copcheck?
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Actually scratch that last post - you justified based on the mechanics way before. I forgot that.
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I shouldn't be ignoring the mechanics either. I've been too focused on behaviour. And I am towning geript and Kita.
We still only have 2 claims for abilities? God.
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