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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 04 2015 17:37 GMT
#1608
Bah, you ninjaed me.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 04 2015 17:48 GMT
#1620
On March 05 2015 00:49 kitaman27 wrote:
And to be fair, if I'm looking at your list, you better let me know how you feel about Keirathi, Epiphany, Damdred, Fecal, Tube


Looking at both Keirathi's and Epiphany's filters, I don't see any reason to rescind townreads on these two. Keirathi, I can see the logic in his questioning of Damdred.

Epiphany hasn't posted much, but I was reading him town based on his tone and entrance to the thread. No change there.

I'm feeling a little bit better about Damdred atm seeing his latest posts though.

Going to look into Fecal and Tube a bit harder. I know Tube was focusing on mechanics last I recall, but at this stage of the game, as far as reads, I remember one list post, I need to check if he's developed anything further on reads.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 04 2015 17:49 GMT
#1621
Rayn, Damdred actually DID change his read on LS when he read soemthing from his filter. I was just through Damdred's filter now.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 03:39 GMT
#2006
Was out all evening and night tonight with work and unfortunately other RL issues. I just got home.

Will catch up and do more filter diving and such this afternoon (EU time).

For the record, I voted to destroy the button.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 16:04 GMT
#2158
Finally getting to some filter diving. I'll weigh in on each of the four.

Going through Tube's filter, I'm seeing a lot of the theory analysis that I saw in his town game in Newbie LX. As in the specific points on how those who were killed were killed because they were the most likely threats (page 6 of Tube's filter). Yes it's WIFOM, but that's how he thinks, even putting forth his TFH theories, that's consistent from what he played in that game as well. It also shows on his part the lack of an agenda, even if it's not the most sound strategy in the world, it's still consistent from the town game I recall.

On March 05 2015 18:03 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 18:01 geript wrote:
I'm really dumb dealing with the stupidity. It wouldn't even surprise me if one of Tube/SL is mafia and the other is ninja.


Bring it. Let's dance. I'm perfectly happy turning this effectively into a duel between Sandroba and I.

Vote me. You must still like your case on me. You should have more ammo by now.


This post jumps out at me, because indicates he's not afraid to die/put himself at risk. For comparison I think he did a similar action in Carol, if I recall right. A ninja or scummer would be less likely to do something like this. He continues to bait Geript after this.

So Tube to me, is still reading as town, even more so than before, Obv not the lynch in this cell. Moving on to Sandroba....
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 16:19 GMT
#2167
On March 06 2015 01:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Does sandroba actually play the games he signs up for?

This is the second time I've been in a game with him and he has a small filter. At this rate, if he isn't mafia, it's not going to be hard for whoever the other mafia is to not get lynched. Hrm.


Well going through his filter now, I see YM called him out for having an underwhelming filter early D1. Not sure who YM was, but it can be inferred that at some game he played on TL, he played more than he is doing so now.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 16:22 GMT
#2168
EBWOP - actually said he was "pretty underwhelmed" by sandro, but the point still stands.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 16:40 GMT
#2173
On March 04 2015 08:56 sandroba wrote:
From memory OWS bat onegu have all being really underwhelming. All have been flying under the radar and it's likely that there are 1-2 mafia lying in that group. Oats I don't think even posted once unless I missed it, so I'd like to give him a bit of time to come in the thread and give his thoughts.
The only one I heavily lean town on is sepulchre because of his big intro post which I really liked.


On March 04 2015 09:02 sandroba wrote:
You don't think sep is town?


Sandroba, few questions for you, we have a few people who questioned Sepulchre on his followup posts and some did not like his followup posts. Now Geript claims to have shot him last night.

Do you have any thoughts on people scumming Sep or has your read on Sep since changed? If so, how?

Also you targetted three people for having "underwhelming filters" and LS for being scum because you didn't like his list post. I see Kita's already asked this to an extent, but I also feel the same here - do you have any other scum reads at this point in time?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 16:57 GMT
#2174
In the possible (but statistically unlikely) case of Onegu being a mafia GF (or maybe framed, who knows), I don't recall Onegu's filters in the games I've played or hosted with him being all that great regardless of alignment, certainly not compared to a Rasputin, Superbia, a Trfel filter or even Tube's this game.

I'm going to do some comparison work with the recent games to see if there might be any differences. I do get that carefree vibe here in this game, but he was scum in Hammertime and I don't recall the tone in that game being much different, so I will have to use other means to more fully evaluate him.

Going to look into that and Sicklucker's filter more tonight after dinner.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 22:31 GMT
#2200
On March 06 2015 05:53 Sepulchre wrote:
I am neither a ninja nor did I recieve any protection, that I know of at least.
Geript is lying and it's pretty obvious why and what he tries to achive with it so I didn't say anything about it so far, not that it'd work. It's basically what an elementary schooler would come up with, but the child is in town class so we ignore that it's a bit slow.


So you're discounting the possibility from your pov that Geript could be town and could have gotten roleblocked? I see no mention or prior read on geript in your filter.

Going through his filter, he's entertaining both possibilities that he'd been RBed or that you aren't town. Why aren't you?

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 22:47 GMT
#2204
On March 06 2015 05:41 sandroba wrote:
One more thing to add to support this is that I recieved my power in the begging of the night and I assume everyone else did too. So any spirit wouldnt have time to react to geript saying he would shoot sep and give him a vest in response. So that furthers my belief that sep is either ninja or geript is lying.


Actually just realised the same omission in your response as well. Why not consider the RB possibility esp given the announcement?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 05 2015 22:57 GMT
#2205
On March 06 2015 07:43 Sepulchre wrote:
I'm not entertaining the possibility that I'm not town because I know I am.
I'm not entertaining the possibility that he's been RB'd because I can't imagine anybody would give geript a vigilante shot. I guess for all I know the town spirit could be terrible at this game but the phrase "selected from volunteers" makes me think it's probably ended up being somebody that would not in fact do the equivalent of arming a monkey with nukes.


Just realised I worded that last question poor, but obv you've answered the RB concern, that is what I was looking for.

Now going to the part about geript getting said shot - you can't imagine anyone giving geript a vig shot even as a decent nr of the players in this game were townreading him through late D1?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 02:08 GMT
#2230
Here's where I stand. I know he's got a green check, but after tone reading/comparing Onegu, I feel better that he's probably town. I re-read his Hammertime filter, and I wasn't seeing as much of the easygoing posts I was in Horn of Africa and the current game, first few pages of his filter I think draw that distinction. Onegu's filters compared to some other folks' town metas aren't a shining beacon of townieness but I think there's distinction enough to have a town lean on him.

I'm voting Sandroba. After filter diving him, Sandroba wasn't acting towny enough D1, loads of tone reads, but nothing in the ways of more detailed scumhunting or critical thinking for what I can tell, I know he had to backtrack on one post, but that was pretty much it. YM had called him out on his gameplay. Finally, today Kita asked him questions on findings from his filters, and he's answered mine (save the RB followup) but not his even though he followed up my questions despite Kita asking again prior. What conclusions did we have from those filters?

Granted this copcheck is a one-time ability, but I also feel his explanation for a copcheck play is something that any veteran who knows how to copcheck can say. In fact I recall how geript mentioned after Student V that the ones with questionable/sparse filters should be how cops check.

I'm about a third through Sicklucker's filter and I've accounted for the AFK part for D1. I still need to take a harder look at D2 and check for inconsistencies, I know that's how HF cracked SL in Void from the Obs QT.

It's 2am so I need to go to bed, so I will wrap that up tomorrow. But as it stands, I don't feel Sandroba's overall behaviour makes sense for what he's doing now. Voting him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 02:11 GMT
#2231
SL, I will tell you the same thing I told Breshke and Toad. My approach to large games is less spammy, a lower post-count compared to the minis. I spend more time filter diving and analysing with more people in the game, particularly with the players that I have not played with before.

Also had a work-related event that ran late, so not as active yesterday as I'd have liked to. Take that as you will.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 02:16 GMT
#2234
On March 06 2015 10:52 sicklucker wrote:
Keirathi - cant remember anything hes said all game


Have you actually read his filter? If so, what sort of reads are you getting from it? Because I recall others having different conclusions using different critieria.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 02:18 GMT
#2235
On March 06 2015 11:14 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I read three of the 4 filters and made my decision.

##vote Tubesock


Elaborate what you think is town on Sandroba please.
Sicklucker is also not very easy to read, generally speaking. Where did you think he was town?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 02:18 GMT
#2236
Alright, the bed beckons. Good night.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 13:32 GMT
#2339
On March 06 2015 10:27 Kurumi wrote:
Hello kitatheman27,

How's your Ninja life? Why didn't you kill Obi? I love you. I wanted you to win. I wanted you to stop killing my Town brethren. Why did you go for it? Why? I trusted your judgement. I am Chezinu. I am the Tracker of Brown. I am Tracker of all that is different. Why didn't you trust me?


Possible tracker breadcrumbing?

Kurumi, in case you missed the last 2 posts for hardclaiming, can you please actually hardclaim if you got a tracker ability?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 13:37 GMT
#2340
On March 06 2015 11:34 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 11:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Elaborate what you think is town on Sandroba please.
Sicklucker is also not very easy to read, generally speaking. Where did you think he was town?


I don't know that Sandroba is town and I didn't feel like reading SL's filter. So... it's tubes for me.


Bats, I find this response really odd from you. You were in Void with sicklucker and he was scum. He managed to trick you in that game all the way through lylo. And you're taking the chance that he could potentially be doing the same here?

Does not compute.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2015 13:43 GMT
#2342
Catching up on the thread, and seeing the reaction to Tube's posts, I will have to say that I'm not at all surprised by Tube's dismissal of mechanics. He did the same in Newbie LX, he wanted to dismiss them initially when he didn't understand them. He was VT in that game.

It's a flawed way of thinking, again, but it's not atypical for his game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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