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On March 10 2015 09:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:29 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 09:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
Like theres no town roles we all got a green font "town" pm obviously mafia didnt know that. I have to admit I was really influenced by this post on day two. I couldn't imaging a world where that wouldn't be considered cheating and insta-modkilled, but I suppose it would be unfair to mafia to modkill a cell member and it's my fault for trying to read into mod actions a bit too much. Any chance we could get an action list? Not really clear how the powers were distributed based on the qt. I'm not really sure what is mod-killable about that? AFAIK, it's always been permissive to claim your role PM as long as you don't copy-paste it in thread. And mafia was given the same role pm, and same sample fake pm. Unless I'm missing something :o I was under the impression it broke this one: Show nested quote +Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. Especially the discussion of the format since I know several people have been banned for that in the past and every host may not include the color of the text in the sample PM. Not that it would have made a difference though it seems.
Hmm I guess you're right.
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On March 10 2015 09:38 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:22 scott31337 wrote:
Town was crap not seeing the claim Sandroba and how it would work for mafia - it was obvious to me.
I saw it eventually, and I was pushing to kill Sandroba till the spirit mindfucked me. How should I have gotten people to read my posts more? I'd like feedback from you guys if you're willing please.
That was really a big clusterfuck. Had I been around, I would have told him not to make that claim. Or at least, nott o make it on Onegu. And I feel like I could have made some good arguments for why it wouldn't make sense for mafia sandro to claim cop there, but by the time I got back in the thread, the whole thing was already over and SL was dead.
I feel like a LOT of the reason people were so 99% sure that sandro was scum was just because of SL starting that whole "no one has roles" thing which could have been stopped easily just by pointing to the OP.
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On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.
Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person.
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On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two?
I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree".
Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p
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On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol
Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough?
Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png
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On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored?
Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall).
Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!"
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On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason.
Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu 
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On March 10 2015 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:45 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of "wow, that's Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness
Meh, I disagree. Tube was the shining beacon of townness in that cell
Man, that day 1 only being 24 hours really fucked me  I was having a good game going into the end of night 1, but stupid exams. That time I missed should have been in the night phase instead of day
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On March 10 2015 10:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:53 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:45 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:
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Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of "wow, that's Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness Meh, I disagree. Tube was the shining beacon of townness in that cell Man, that day 1 only being 24 hours really fucked me I was having a good game going into the end of night 1, but stupid exams. That time I missed should have been in the night phase instead of day After the day started? Yeah tube looked really good and was obviously town but before or when it started Onegu was the only one I townread, which is when you have to decide who to pick for your cop-check.
I meant had I been town, I feel like I would have had a pretty good townread on Tube just from his day 1 stuff.
That whole "plan" thing was pretty townie, even if it wasn't necessarily good.
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On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount.
FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D
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On March 10 2015 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:58 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount. FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D I mean Sandro really isn't that hard to read... and if you're unsure, wait until d3 and lynch him if he's still alive.
That reminds me, I don't think I've ever played a game with town sandro
He was scum in Chrono Trigger, Catastrophe, and this.
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Anyways, just some random babbling thoughts:
I personally thought I had a pretty solid first cycle (particularly night 1). The problem was, I really did have 2 midterms last Thursday. So I get home ~6-7pm every night, then have a few hours to catch up/post, but I couldn't even do that Wednesday night because i had to study. Then I made a (albeit probably poor) decision to go out with friends Thursday after midterms were over and didn't get home until way too late to look at the thread and actually be able to get up for school the next day, so I put it off again. Somehow, in the middle of all of that, my TL tab got closed, and since I generally don't visit TL unless I'm playing mafia, I didn't think to check it friday, and so I didn't vote. All the good play in the world doesn't excuse leaving the thread for ~72 hours or whatever. Basically I threw away any real good-will I had for my day 1/night 1 play and put me on the back foot.
So, sorry to my teammates for that. It's pretty inexcusable. I was in a position to have a good game and I fucked it up.
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Bleh, I was going to write a bunch of stuff here about individual players, but it felt kinda sleezy only mentioning the players I was familiar with and leaving out a bunch of people, so I decided it was better not to.
I do have a question for Toad though: Why did you save Kita night1 instead of rayn? Not that I think it's a bad decision to save kita there, obviously, but I feel like rayn has a lot more...uh...thread control? than kita ever does. Kita is an excellent player, but not very often is he the driving factor behind a lynch. Rayn can and is that person.
Also @rayn: you scumread me last game and townread me this game. Boggling :O
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Ah, you just wifom'd yourself out of it. Okeys :D
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