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On March 07 2015 01:44 kitaman27 wrote:
Sicklucker
Has trouble keeping his story straight when claiming to not know about roles from spirits, yet asking for a gun during day one.
His priorities shift pretty dramatically when learning that he is a member of the cell and has to fight for survival.
He goes after sandroba pretty hard, with little consideration that tube may be mafia, a player he hadn't even mentioned earlier.
He puts a lot of effort in reinforcing the fact that he is obvious town. He references the town role PM which mafia have knowledge of, he references his ignorance about the spirit roles, he brings up that his relationship with tube should be a town tell for us, he mentions several times that he doesn't get lynched as town.
His mafia list are the process of elimination cell members and the afks/trolls. He produced a similar list in one of the mafia games I read.
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If someone (other than sicklucker) wants to shed light to the above thoughts or point out something I'm not seeing, please share.
Diving sicklucker's filter now, trying to squeeze what I can in before dinner. Also doing a comparison for how Holyflare nabbed him in Void (unfortunately for him, it was after we nightkilled him). Looking at the relevant QT, the way he nabbed Sicklucker was contradictions in his reads. Also his strategy endgame was hitting the inactives in that game too (Bats, Slam, Vivax to an extent) as he and JAT helped drive those lynches.
I'm looking at his filter and his reads are just spread out literally all over the place. There's a disclaimer that "he's not the best scumhunter" but even in his town games, he's been quite erratic too.
One maybe contradiction on LS:
On March 04 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote:
I see lots of good shots I dont think ls is one of them robik and if you try I will be faster
On March 04 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote:Robik can we shoot koshi together? No kill Ls hes lynchbait? + Show Spoiler +
Unless I misunderstand he wants to kill LS after he denies LS is a good shot?
I'll be frank Kita, I only looked at behaviour when I was looking at all four candidates initially and only saw the arguments on mechanics after I woke up. I can definitely see sicklucker being scum here as he relies on this sort of strategy to survive as scum, he's rolled scum quite a bit now. But deciding between the two (SL/Sand) at the moment, I can sum up in three words at the moment: fuck my life. Honestly quite difficult.
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On March 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:
Tube could be mafia but I doubt it. Hes fallen off a bit. This really should be a race between the two of them I must be like the most obvious town of all time at this point. The one worrying fact is people seem to be agreeing with me. That literally never happened to me before. But if sandro is town you cant put this on me because it looks like you would have voted me over tube anyway killing a town.
Wait so you had a town read on him and now you are contemplating he's mafia just because he's fallen off a bit?
Why should others' opinions sway what you think?
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On March 07 2015 03:09 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. what idea? That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell. My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory. wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check Why haven't you mentioned that earlier? Why are you not voting yet?
I haven't been around since sometime last night when I was leaving work and I have just been watching to see who is voting him and why and who is voting someone else and why
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On March 07 2015 03:10 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. what idea? That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell. My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory. wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check I disagree. But that's like impossible to argue.
You disagree with him being scum or you disagree on his cop check? and what's impossible to argue
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On March 07 2015 03:07 geript wrote:
How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy.
How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy.
How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane.
What I don't see from you is anything but saying how crazy and dumb my thoughts were. You repeatedly go back to that. Yet your lynch pool is Sicklucker and I. Shouldn't it be fairly simple to differentiate from 2 bad towns and look at intent and motivation?
Look at Robik. He thinks I'm bad. He ignores everything I write, but is investigating things outside of me. You somehow are stuck talking to a donkey and not investigating. What are you gaining from this?
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especially since LS is highly likely town given that rayn died and rayn was adamant about it
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Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.)
You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped?
I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise.
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On March 07 2015 03:07 geript wrote:
How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy.
Thats acualy what Id expect 1 or 2 a day. We might not even be aware of some powers so many variables
How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy.
I dont understand wtf your saying everyones vannila
How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy.
Partners or trying to mislynch him. Its not really that weird to have 2 mafia since theres like 12-6 ratio atm infact rng says theres 2.
How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy.
Explain yourself I would lynch you for this
How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane.
We dont know that. He could have made us all veterans for all we know or he could be a derp and give it to dead townies
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SL, that last post was for Tube, not geript. And you haven't answered my question.
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Hts is that all you got? I thought Ls was a bad shot day1 after he posted his list post. But day two he avoided my qeustions and did nothing. Its called changing your reads.
Hts are you mafia? Is that really all you have from filter a read that evolved?
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On March 07 2015 03:15 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:10 geript wrote:On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. what idea? That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell. My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory. wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check I disagree. But that's like impossible to argue. You disagree with him being scum or you disagree on his cop check? and what's impossible to argue
That he'd 100% cop check LS
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If sicklucker is in the lynch pool versus Tubesock he is the obvious lynch
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Ya hts is mafia remember this if you mislynch me
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On March 07 2015 03:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:15 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 03:10 geript wrote:On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. what idea? That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell. My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory. wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check I disagree. But that's like impossible to argue. You disagree with him being scum or you disagree on his cop check? and what's impossible to argue That he'd 100% cop check LS
can you be more fucking vague
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On March 07 2015 03:15 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:07 geript wrote:
How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy.
How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy.
How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane. What I don't see from you is anything but saying how crazy and dumb my thoughts were. You repeatedly go back to that. Yet your lynch pool is Sicklucker and I. Shouldn't it be fairly simple to differentiate from 2 bad towns and look at intent and motivation? Look at Robik. He thinks I'm bad. He ignores everything I write, but is investigating things outside of me. You somehow are stuck talking to a donkey and not investigating. What are you gaining from this?
When 1 is SL and the other is you, it's really not easy at all. SL will literally do anything as mafia. You're so far out in right field that I'm literally having to extrapolate reads from other people who I've never relied on before in order to read. Like it's really not easy whatsoever.
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Slam might be mafia too for not considering a fake claim. SLAM ITS NOT JUST ME AND TUBE
ITS ME TUBE AND SANDRO
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On March 07 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote:
Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.)
You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped?
I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise.
Mostly, it's to keep things more simple. This game is no different than poker. Things are probabilities. It's funny, it's basically exactly like Jarjarbinks approached the game when I murdered him. I murdered him because he wasn't thinking deep enough about is %'s and not doing the common sense testing. Like he had just wildly weird numbers for some of the people.
Here, I think the probability of the world that Syllo would give Sandroba a role and everyone being town far less than MafiaGeript decided at the beginning of the game that he's going to make some plays. He's going to float out that Syllo soul reads Sandroba, get a vet to confirm it's not impossible before they die, and have mafiaSandroba fakeclaim cop.
Fakeclaiming cop gives mafia a reason to kill Onegu at night. This implies that mafiaGeript only needs to find one other reason that he survived Night 2 while mafia killed 2 towns. The risk is that Onegu flips ninja (why I was hoping Onegu is ninja and I cased Fecalfeast) and then we realize an absent Sandroba is mafia. Onegu flipping ninja is what a 1/8 chance without even thinking about who could be. If they thought about who could be they could make the odds better in their favor that Onegu would flip town.
if Sandroba is mafia it is more likely to me that he would fakeclaim knowing town would most likely spare him at least a day. AND he can continue to pack for his US trip without worry of dying and hurting mafia.
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On March 07 2015 03:30 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:27 geript wrote:On March 07 2015 03:15 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 03:10 geript wrote:On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. what idea? That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell. My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory. wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check I disagree. But that's like impossible to argue. You disagree with him being scum or you disagree on his cop check? and what's impossible to argue That he'd 100% cop check LS can you be more fucking vague
You said that he'd 100% cop check LS. I disagree that he would. It's not a point I can actually argue because it basically will devolve into, "well I think X" vs "well I think Y" Like my experience is here is that lots of people here don't actually cop check people they're scumreading. But that's anecdotal. Like I can't think of a game where I've seen Sandroba as a cop. It's just a random personal opinion. Like what's so fucking hard to understand about this Robik?
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On March 07 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 01:44 kitaman27 wrote:
Sicklucker
Has trouble keeping his story straight when claiming to not know about roles from spirits, yet asking for a gun during day one.
His priorities shift pretty dramatically when learning that he is a member of the cell and has to fight for survival.
He goes after sandroba pretty hard, with little consideration that tube may be mafia, a player he hadn't even mentioned earlier.
He puts a lot of effort in reinforcing the fact that he is obvious town. He references the town role PM which mafia have knowledge of, he references his ignorance about the spirit roles, he brings up that his relationship with tube should be a town tell for us, he mentions several times that he doesn't get lynched as town.
His mafia list are the process of elimination cell members and the afks/trolls. He produced a similar list in one of the mafia games I read.
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If someone (other than sicklucker) wants to shed light to the above thoughts or point out something I'm not seeing, please share. Diving sicklucker's filter now, trying to squeeze what I can in before dinner. Also doing a comparison for how Holyflare nabbed him in Void (unfortunately for him, it was after we nightkilled him). Looking at the relevant QT, the way he nabbed Sicklucker was contradictions in his reads. Also his strategy endgame was hitting the inactives in that game too (Bats, Slam, Vivax to an extent) as he and JAT helped drive those lynches. I'm looking at his filter and his reads are just spread out literally all over the place. There's a disclaimer that "he's not the best scumhunter" but even in his town games, he's been quite erratic too. One maybe contradiction on LS:
On March 04 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote:
I see lots of good shots I dont think ls is one of them robik and if you try I will be faster
On March 04 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote:Robik can we shoot koshi together? No kill Ls hes lynchbait? + Show Spoiler +
Unless I misunderstand he wants to kill LS after he denies LS is a good shot? I'll be frank Kita, I only looked at behaviour when I was looking at all four candidates initially and only saw the arguments on mechanics after I woke up. I can definitely see sicklucker being scum here as he relies on this sort of strategy to survive as scum, he's rolled scum quite a bit now. But deciding between the two (SL/Sand) at the moment, I can sum up in three words at the moment: fuck my life. Honestly quite difficult.
Reread this hts you derped and your mafia
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"no kill Ls hes lynchbait" Im telling robik not to kill him
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