EPTYou can spin my switch on them however you like, but I explained why I switched.
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jarjarbinks
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You can spin my switch on them however you like, but I explained why I switched. | ||
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D3 You can spin that major point by Trf to make me look scum. That is fine. I agree, I can be made to look scum that way. I still think that point was a major aspect of his case. As for my cases on you guys: I still think you guys are freaking town. Yes I was trying to go back and see who I would be most suspicious of post flip. I was most suspicious of zlefin with you at #2. Yes I add caveats to my arguments, but that's how I make arguments. I literally do the opposite of what you do. I try to look at everything and play devil's advocate. As for the rest of your argument, I'VE PLAYED THIS GAME WITH YOU 3 TIMES. It really bothers me that people get scummed for making jokes. Like it really does lol EVERY FREAKING GAME. | ||
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The reason I'm referring to meta with you is because we have played in these games together. You have not seen scum JarJar so you cannot be sure how I will act. However, referring to my behavior as 100% scum when you have seen me do the exact same thing before multiple times is flat out wrong. Worst case scenario it should be seen as around 25% or the odds that I RNG'd scum. My problem with it is that you take it to 100% scum, hence selling your case and not being honest. | ||
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On February 23 2015 00:46 Palmar wrote: why would a townie not be honest in his case on you jjb? lol in my rage I have definitely thought of that Reasons for Shining to scum me this hard: 1: Paranoid town looking for someone else to scum when the person is lying right in front of them. 2: Is scum and is preparing the next target. 3. Has an ego and wants his case to be better than Trf's 4. Actually thinks I'm scum. Sadly, I think 1,3, and 4 are legitimate reasons for him doing this lol Now the whole adding details he knows is wrong? #1: Could still be a thing here, maybe he is worried we are all set in our ways and thinks this is the only way to change our votes. These details could sway say zlefin, but Trf? I don't think so. Granted I know myself more than Trf, but he's been in all my games as well. #3: Doesn't affect it, if no one catches these details his case looks stronger and he can try to earn MVP award. #4: I'm copying and pasting from #1 "These details could sway say zlefin, but Trf? I don't think so. Granted I know myself more than Trf, but he's been in all my games as well." | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=jarjarbinks I would post specific quotes but there's so many to choose from. Shining was alive the entire time and I believed killed me EOD D3 to lose the game. He obviously was looking through my filter because he was town as well. Trf not so much. Died D1. I know posting meta is super not cool but I think this helps my defense lol | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?user=jarjarbinks I'm doing the same things (altho I think I called myself stupid less on this one), the beginning was pretty hilarious actually if you want to discuss it after game that's cool. If it helps you understand me, my strategy before the game even started was to ask more questions and to make less jokes to appear more town lol If I was you trying to judge me based on those games: 1. My filter is longer here. 2. I've tried to call myself stupid less. 3. Proportionally I've made less jokes for some odd reason lol If you would like to ask me about these be my guest. If not, look at my actions. I was an outlier D1. I waffled on Trf on D2. You can make a case on my reads saying that I should have improved from my last games. | ||
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On February 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote: I have a few minutes. But what the heck is this? That defense was a complete and total joke. I was obviously mafia, I was obviously getting lynched, I was just trying to cause confusion. That was my point? lol Based on your defense (or confusion spreading, sorry if that's what it was), I could see you making a much bigger defense here since you were in a better position. | ||
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On February 23 2015 07:45 Palmar wrote: jarjar who is the mafia tomorrow? lol there won't be a tomorrow! You are showing that you are trying, which draws confusion. After some analysis you go ahead and sheep shining's read because it is your only way out from getting lynched. And don't even think I missed that feel question from you before you decided to finally vote for me. You were definitely checking to see if I thought about voting shining, so you can change the way you are making your reads. | ||
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Shining, I know I'm in your tunnel vision. Please spend your time on other guys too instead of just me. What if your reads on me are wrong? | ||
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My list as of now (Highest are town and lowest are scum): 1. Trf 2. Shining 3. JJB 4. Zlef I'm hoping I find something later that either changes this, or makes me more confident in pizking Zlef. Zlef, where did you get your percents from? | ||
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Did you give up on your table? You stopped adding points somewhere around the end of D2 and haven't really added or subtracted points since then. Did you decide its not worth it? Did you decide %'s are a better way to go? | ||
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On February 24 2015 07:47 zlefin wrote: I think it was a useful tool for early on, to help organize my thoughts, but it's not necessary anymore as there's few enough people to track it in my head fine. I can see that. I find it a little suspicious that you end up stopping the table idea around the same time it appears that you are trying less, but your explanation does make sense. | ||
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Final Verdict: The most town looking to least based on votes is shown below. I admit I spinned zlefin's posts because I was least sure of them. In all honesty I would probably switch Trf and Zlef here but I'm trying to not be biased. Shining- Switches his votes the most which shows flexibility. He often had his votes in the upper half of the voting pool which shows that he isn't waiting around to see the temperature of the thread. Zlef- Probably the hardest to analyze vote wise. His first vote is for survival which is null, His D3 vote for Tere/Palmer makes him look good, but everyone had pretty much decided to lynch Tere/Palmar anyways. D2 vote was just early enough to be in the top half. Trfel- D1 vote hurt him, while D2 voting helped him. D3 voting hurt him where I think it should have helped. I think he was more bent on Tere than the rest of us. Me- outlier D1 which is bad. bottom half of the votes D2 which is bad. I also dinged myself for D3. Palmar voted for me and is dead (although with limited data Palmar's dead votes don't bear much weight) Reads analysis to come after N3. I'm going to guess I won't be killed tonight because I'm prime for mislynch bait. | ||
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Honestly I think both NK wifom and lych WIFOM are worth more than people credit for. I don't think it's 50/50. Although some people generally have better reads than others. With no real vet exp on Shining, I would have to think that there's a better chance that he was killed for his reads than to draw confusion. That super long case on me sure has me looking awful here lol | ||
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