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On February 18 2015 09:02 Trfel wrote: Well, I'm still alive. That's interesting. I wonder if that means I'm completely off track. Or if it means that someone on the mafia team is cruel and wants to torture me. Rsoultin, I'll take a look at your filter and your reads. I still think that we are mostly in the same place, though. completely off track about what? Note: I'm responding to some things as I read the thread to get up to date, so if something was already answered, responses will not be needed. | ||
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Killing a confirmed town is just plain good for scum in general, since it makes the lynch pool harder. | ||
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On February 18 2015 02:05 zlefin wrote: Do others concur with rsoultin's description of JJB? I ask because I don't want to base any changes entirely off this in the unlikely event the two of them are mafia. If others concur with the description, I'm going to give a positive point to JJB, based on rsoultins comments in the last page, which also help reassess JJBs early game (in particular his joke which I didn't like, more info on its normalcy for him ameliorates it). since rsoul flipped town, I'm gonna go ahead and give JJB his +1 town point for this. I think there was some discussion from others sorta confirming it, but I wasn't entirely sure about the confirmation, and I recently remembered I never scored/addressed it further; but now that I know rsoul is town, I'm fine with giving JJB the point. | ||
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My one concern is that it kinda feels like trying to get the benefit of blueclaiming without actually blueclaiming. | ||
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While Elyas did post some above, it still seems to be low value/content, mostly just repeating what happened rather than analyzing it. That, combined with the prior history of seriously low content posting from Elyas, makes me feel Elyas is one of the scum, there's just too little scumhunting. So I'm voting Elyas. | ||
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I'm starting to try to think on pairwise analysis to see who looks too in sync. | ||
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Hopefully you're number of posts doesn't change as I'm typing this. | ||
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Mostly I'd expect associations to be unclear, but the fewer people there are left in the pool, the more it becomes possible to maybe say something. Even if I could just say a certain pair of people aren't both mafia, that'd still be useful. It also represents another way of looking at things; and looking at things from a different angle can be helpful, as long as you don't read too much into it. | ||
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here's where my point totals are now: Trfel 0/2 Shining 1/1 rsoultin 1/1 dead town N1 elyas -1/1 jarjar -1/3 tere -1/3 hier 0/2 dead town D1 silver -1/1 as a reminder, not all points area created equal, it simply means I at one time or another had a feel one way or another. Some feels are stronger than others, and I haven't yet figured out a system for letting points decay over time, or if I even should have points decay over time. I'm going to put this in another format: Townish: Shining Neutral: Trfel, Jarjar, tere Scummish: elyas, silver Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player? If you could format it similarly to above, so it's easier to read and compare them, please do so. Jarjar, you seem to like data and tables, would having that data from each player be helpful to you, given that they're merely statements and not votes? | ||
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On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote: I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this. Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything. Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch. I moderately mind, it's not THAT hard to do, and it helps me get a clearer sense of where everybody is, and a good reference point to look back at. | ||
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On February 19 2015 09:49 Trfel wrote: A response to Tere (because zlefin asked for it, shrug) Note that I do not require a response if you do not choose to provide one. It is spoilered because I don't see it as being very important. + Show Spoiler + This post makes a lot of sense. I understand more at what you were getting at in your Walls of Text. Not directed towards me, but this is really nice to see. Now, this post. I hate adding responses inside quotes, so bear with me (if anyone is actually reading this). As to me being patronizing to Tere ("good girl, well done"), this is not intended in the slightest. Whether she is scum or town, I'm pretty sure that Tere is the most skilled player left in this game, and I have no right whatsoever to be condescending to her. My only intention was to acknowledge the effort and thank her for it, and say that I felt that it made rather good evidence for her being town. As for me judging my own play, I was not looking for sympathy, and my intention was not to talk about myself. I was saying that you townread me for something, and I didn't like your reasoning, while allowing for the possibility of an accurate tone read (because I am terrible at tone reads). I have already accepted that Tere and I think differently and work differently. I don't think that is a problem. As for simplifying your reads, you are right that that part of my post was horrid. I have no explanation. As for me not being confident in my tone read of Tere, I'm bad at tone reads, of course I'm not confident in it (that won't stop me from trying to use tone reads, though...). I guess it makes sense that you don't want to lead a wagon. I disagree, and think that you are good enough at this game that I think you ought to lead a wagon, but I understand what you are saying and I accept it. And no, I'm not scum. I am not 100% sure of your alignment, but I think you are town. Tagging this at the bottom because I'm not sure it deserves its own post. You already have my reaction, to me it seems like a town vs town argument. This isn't what I asked for, I asked for a response to my request for a list in standard format, of where you view each player Towny Neutral Scummy | ||
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shining, jarjar, tere. apologies if you did post but I somehow didn't notice it. I just went back through all the posts looking specifically for those, but it's always possible to miss things. | ||
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On February 20 2015 01:39 ElyAs wrote: Wow, that's what I call a scud. I think something's starting to make sense. I'm changing my way of reading this game. Something felt off but I can narrow it down to 3 people as possible lynch for tonight imo. Making some notes as I filter-dive looking to reassess things. This is the post where Elyas changes (or starts to change) her view of trfel from a bit of a townread to scum. | ||
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On February 20 2015 04:01 ElyAs wrote: Ok I'm gonna commit, I volontarily omitted the punchline to my scenarii post. I'm Wendy Testaburger, town Doctor ! Which is why I can say with such confidence that the role distribution is either : 1 Godfather, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 1 Vigilante, 5 Vanilla Town or 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 6 Vanilla Town My point is, Tere has been breadcrumbing blue, but most importantly, she has been breadcrumbing Vigi adding to my strong townread. Proof : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=44#874 "The two people I would shoot right now are The Shining and Silverarte." Why is she saying this while nobody has asked her who'd she shoot ? If this is true and Tere is Vigi, then we have a godfather that played like there could be cops around, while there are none. If this is false... GG Tere, I got fooled and luck was on your side. She said it because throughout the night she had been asking people who they'd shoot if they had 2 bullets, and there was some discussion back and forth between people about her asking the question without having provided answers at that time. So the 2 bullet thing would have been on her mind even if she hadn't been explicitly asked, due to considerable prior discussion on a who to shoot with 2 bullets issue. | ||
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