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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gJi6xZz.gif) VE and Toad reuniting to kill all townies in this game. I can already smell it. Even better if we end up being mafia together! | ||
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Gimme a couple hours to get someone funny in the boat. | ||
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On January 23 2015 10:48 Holyflare wrote: I don't know when I'll be back and my gf's mum just collapsed and went to hospital so probably won't be back for a long while :/ oh crap hope everything's okay. I'd say wish her all the best but telling your gf/gfs mom about some weirdos from an internet forum is probably pretty damn creepy. I'd say we make Artanis wait until Sunday nontheless and maybe we know more by that time or maybe he came up with a plan by that time. | ||
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On January 26 2015 02:18 Half the Sky wrote: Should be interesting. *crosses fingers to get town* silly boy. Never heard of the phrase "the game knows, the game denies" ? You have to make them think you want mafia to get town. | ||
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Unless... are Eden and liancourt girls as well? | ||
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On January 26 2015 07:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hi, i see my name  I'm gonna /obs this game. Went to PAX South, so I've been afk for a bit. next time we're playing together, assuming I get the feeling you're faking stuff I'm gonna lynch you and not listen to my own desire to lynch someone who's more annoying! | ||
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I plan on running for [pseudo-] mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy:
you do what I say, I am happy. A happy Toad means I get to do the stuff I need to do to solve this game and can't a) get annoyed about some idiot that needs some talking to because you simply do as I say b) pretend to be dealing with some idiot that needs some talking to because you simply do as I say sounds good, right? Who wants to be my sheriff. The position is currently up for grabs. You can't sign up for it but I will call out to whoever seems up for the job. | ||
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How do you think about lynching me? | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:32 Onegu wrote: Jeez how long did that take to type out? Have we played together before I don't think so. We might have, I don't really know who you are but I certainly remember your name. Took me about 2 minutes. 'tis a copy & paste from a previous game. The things in [brackets] are what I changed and I deleted the wall of text afterwards because that'd be outdated. | ||
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wait, is that a vote for mayor or a vote for lynch? You also typo'd my name | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:40 GlowingBear wrote: For a lynch. I don't vote mafia because, well... Democracy. I see. That explains why you voted me indeed. | ||
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"don't let this slide. This guy is shady because X / Y / Z! Pressure him" or just ignore it and do whatever their strategy is, be it lurk / be serious somewhere else. Instead he gets in the thread and votes me with a smiley and nothing else while typo'ing my name. I'd call him my sheriff if he didn't try to lynch me and if there wasn't this other typo with him saying he doesn't vote mafia. | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:50 Half the Sky wrote: I just asked him if it was a joke vote and he just responded it was a lynch vote. yeah I see that. The vote is horrible but it's a slight towntell. I do not think a mafia would get in the thread, typo my name and vote me without saying anything other than a smiley. Mafias tend to think about their appearence a lot more than townies. Townies on the other hand are just doing their thing, whatever that might be. And I'm fairly sure a mafia in that situation would have stopped for a second and thought to himself "wait... I should include SOMETHING here" | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: OMG wait I forgot it is instant!!! ##Unvote On January 26 2015 08:54 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I see that. The vote is horrible but it's a slight towntell. I do not think a mafia would get in the thread, typo my name and vote me without saying anything other than a smiley. Mafias tend to think about their appearence a lot more than townies. Townies on the other hand are just doing their thing, whatever that might be. And I'm fairly sure a mafia in that situation would have stopped for a second and thought to himself "wait... I should include SOMETHING here" QED highlighted red for emphasis, not for pointing out scumminess. | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:08 GlowingBear wrote: + Show Spoiler [Attention! Superificial Read] + Toad is probably town after this Anyway, preliminary town pass for you, Toad. What do you think of lians vote? directed at me? Null. Wasn't the same "I don't give a fuck" you had in yours, as well as being made after I told the thread that I liked your innitial vote. Sure I didn't explain why I liked it despite it being a horrible vote at that time but being the 2nd one to do something like that, especially after I point it out like that, is a lot easier than being the first to do it, so no towniepoints for that. So nothing really | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:06 liancourt wrote: gb was joking and i too was joking but since it's first day I'll tell you this. toad claims no one can read him. From my experience a player that cannot be read by other players don't play very townie. They mostly joke around and troll but through many many games they do this so even vets know that even if they don't do anything townie like giving reads or pointing fingers the other players will just let him be. One prime example of this case is Alakaslam. Many of you playing will hopefully know how he plays. I pride myself on reading him correctly despite him using chupazi and hijole. It's because I've seen many of his games and know his slight meta change in different allignments. However, I have no idea how this guy, Toad, plays when he is town or mafia, and he goes far as to say he is unreadable. Well that really scares me as a player. To me it's like he was saying, "Guys I'm not going to do anything townie so that's that, but read me as town." I'm usually read as obviously townie by most people in the game, no matter if I'm town, mafia or 3rd party. I took like 3 mafia hits and an SK hit when I rolled 3rd party ninja/assassin in one of Palmars (?) games during night1 + night2. (LOL bulletproof) My most recent Mafia game was the shadow-vet game I replaced into for HF (iirc?) with Sandroba being lynched d1 and ending up one of the most townish guy for everyone except for the guy I got lynched on whatever cycle wer were on. We ended up winning that in a landslide despite Marv asking me to replace into an "already lost game" My most recent game as Town was the one that had 15 people divided into 5 cells of 3 where especially HF made it his best effort to put my cell first because it was the easiest one with a lot of people, including him and Marv, agreeing that I'm town. That's the reason I said I liked qtpi's answer to my first question in the thread. If she doesn't know me it makes perfect sense, it just doesn't apply to me but no way for her to know that. | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:23 GlowingBear wrote: Isn't it odd that he didn't Unvote yet, and how do you think mafia would react to my vote on you? somewhat. Could be multiple things right now. Maybe he thinks he's pressuring me, maybe he's stubborn, maybe it's to have his vote somewhere and look like he's doing something. Has to be seen in the next couple hours. There is not one general strategy mafia applies when playing and pretending I'd know what mafia'd do would be foolish. On January 26 2015 09:22 liancourt wrote: what do you think of eden's announcement to lurk to make town easier to lynch him proposal? I was told he's good before joining the game. If he's good that's just whatever | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:37 Eden1892 wrote: Wait who the fuck said I'm good? before a certain game started a certain host said he needs more skilled people in his game and asked if I could join. I told him to reserve a slot for me while I read the OP + who's in the game and asked about the 2 or 3 people I didn't know about and he said you're good. | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:46 liancourt wrote: You're saying you get townread whatever allignment you roll. is this the same as being unreadable? If you do townie things whichever allignment I wouldn't call that being unreadable. I'd call that being a good mafia player. I guess it depends on whether I agree with your reads or not. Even if your townie, if I don't agree with the reasoning you're prolly scum. Right now you haven't really done anything as of yet so it's prolly null I'm more of a... I look cutish at people and make them want to cuddle and protect me kind of guy. But yeah... if I get read as town most of times for wrong reasons and I'd call that unreadable if that happens all the time I was expecting something else after Artanis called him good  | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:58 liancourt wrote: so you like to buddy up to people when you role scum? i know eden can play good. But for some reason he's playing like he really doesn't care how ppl read him. I don't know his sudden reason for change of meta, but I'm down for a policy lynch on him. I'd say I buddy more as a townie for hilarity reasons in general. Marv told me he just lynches me when I'm against him because I seem to have a tendency for that whenever I roll mafia. It's more about having balls and being able to not care about what I say as a mafia, which seems to be quite rare and thus makes me look townish most of the times. Take my opening for example. It's pretty damn obvious I did this to kickstart the discussion and get us talking about reads rather than the weather straight away. I like what I've gotten out of the game so far considering how early we're in. I really like some of the early reactions I've gotten and I like that there's people talking about stuff like reads and votes from the get go. And if you look at it that way, it is something blatantly townish but I'd do it as mafia as well because I'd be confident that people don't catch me anyways and being able to help out my allies better that way. That's the one thing I don't like about Eden right now. Yeah I've been somewhat trollish with my first posts all right but I think I gave my reasoning and like I said, people have started talking about "serious" things a lot sooner. But he hasn't. | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:05 Eden1892 wrote: in her posts. No weird phrasing. Whatever it is she's doing it does feel like it is natural to her. More than anyone else in the thread right now.Man, now there are expectations and I have to pretend to give a damn. Fiiine. | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:50 liancourt wrote: i'd read gb town for the analysis not because he went against popular views which imo is really an odd reason to say someone is townie. I don't even think he went against any popular views and Eden never specified what he went against... What I remember GB doing/saying:
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On January 26 2015 11:17 Eden1892 wrote: I thought he: Scum read toad town's opening when people seemed to like it Scum read HTS when people townread her Scum read me when other people were unsure (he said I was tops mafia lol) That's rather a lot for the opening the first two weren't popular opinions before he made the posts that are referring to that though. The third one I wouldn't call a popular opinion at all, you even say your self "when other people were unsure" Sounds more like he's comming to other conclusions than most people. He doesn't look like the kind of guy I'd want to sheep (sry) but that's something else than what you said. I doublechecked the timing of his posts after I read your reasoning for townreading him and came to the conclusion that I don't agree with the way you did the read so I would have expected you to check those things as well when formulating your read | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:30 Eden1892 wrote: In gonna reread this late when I can make send of it what you said was popular opinion only was popular opinion after he made his posts. He could not have willingly gone against popular opinion unless you're saying it's not about him going against thread sentiment but about being wrong and being wrong makes him town, which is something entirely different. Anyways I'm off for now | ||
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This is going to be real annoying. I called your reasoning wrong and you figured out why. I never really called you mafia yet because all I have on you is giving a bullshit townread that might as well be a townie that didn't doublecheck his facts. Shit happens. And now we've got you suddenly posting super drunk (way more than before the pressure started) to the point that everyone will read this and think about if this is legit or just way over the top... and that's a stupid thing to argue about... especially if I have to fight confirmation bias myself because I already thought your early oneline inbetween sounded fake As an example: I don't like the fact that I had to be the one to point out that you never doublechecked your facts either. liancourt only realized that after I asked you what the popular opinions were GB supposedly went against and pointing out again that the timestamps don't match the story. I only checked that because he was pressuring you but he never bothered to himself either. And I'm the laziest fuck around... It's 3 hours into the game. I like being open. What I've done so far I wouldn't even call reads but rather stating things that I find odd for some reason or another to get discussion going. I want them explained and I have people to talk about actual stuff like that rather than having people talk about how likely it is someone actually was drunk all along. So calm down a little and let's see what happens tomorrow. If I get enough of these small things that I'm convinced it no longer might just be coincidence I'll call you or him mafia and you'll notice that. So far I'm just calling your argument wrong. | ||
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In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] + so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before. And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this: party - phoneposting - drunk Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party. If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party About VE: I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote: I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] + so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before. And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this: party - phoneposting - drunk Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party. If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party About VE: I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to EBWOP woops, the "About VE:" inside the spoiler was supposed to be the first thing outside of the spoiler, not inside the spoiler. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like Palmar is talking to me as if he knows I'm town. If no one else is noticing this, there isn't much else I can do. nah he's assuming you are town for the sake of discussion which isn't weird at all. that's a jest and nothing more to read into it imo On January 27 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote: Toad, thoughts on Robik so far? Have you played with him? I know I have played with him once... I think I lynched him instead of a confirmed mafia because he was annoying... Or he was the mafia I should have lynched and I lynched someone else because I was annoyed.... all I remember is being furious about him and someone else | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote: .........okay, so why are YOU assuming Palmar is town? because I'm trying to think about why'd he do it from both perspectives. I think what he said there is perfectly fine if he's town and doesn't have to be him *knowing* you are town. Therefore I think it's a null because both explanations make sense. I'd say mine makes more sense if anything. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll lynch you, you know. If you're town you know I'm bad enough. everyone will take that jab at you. No matter of alignment, no matter of player. Everyone. If everyone does that it is not alignment indicating. I'm all up for lynching Palmar if he continues like this but we're not lynching him for taking a jab at you... | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't want to lynch him for taking a jab at me. I want to lynch him for being a non-entity this game when D1 is BY HIS OWN ADMISSION his very BEST day. He has done nothing but troll this day. Is he capable of such as town? Sure, absolutely. Do I find it likely? Given that he's more interested in trolling WHEN SCRUTINY IS ON HIM and less so when people aren't talking about him, I find it far more likely that he's doing it as mafia. and that's fine. All I'm saying is that the one point you brought up about him talking as if he knew your alignment is wrong. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Initially it was all about your lack of engagement with the game, while simultaneously feeling it necessary to troll. Initially you hadn't made a read on ANYONE, including myself. And even after you started engaging with me you never EXPRESSLY said you thought I was town, which is WHY I found it odd that you were speaking to me AS IF you knew I was town. he's asking you what post he did seemed like that. He wants you to point it out, maybe highlight it with a [*b] or [*red] tag and point it at him saying "this is where you are talking to me as if you know my alignment" Even after I got into that discussion giving my 2 cents on what I thought you were referring to, you never really said what it was. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:28 Palmar wrote: ♥♥♥ Toad, please help this man, he needs it. I must leave you now, but help him understand. Help him smite away his instincts and accept knowledge. sry I'm shopping for an hour for I must not starve | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad couldn't help me even if he wanted to. I'm beyond help at this point. one last attempt before going out: The two quotes you pulled out just recently are showing one point of your case. Points people might even agree with. Your second point however, that Palmar posts with the knowledge of your alignment, has not been shown yet. Palmar and I want you to quote that one post and tell us what about it proves his knowledge about your alignment. You somewhat dodged the question about point 2 because you just restarted your point 1, which noone had a problem with so far. | ||
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I know you don't agree with my read on GB. But what about the bottom part of my list? Especially considering that Eden and lian being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever I'd like to get some input on that. | ||
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On January 27 2015 03:48 Toadesstern wrote: Can you compare my list to yours HTS and tell me where the differences are?
I know you don't agree with my read on GB. But what about the bottom part of my list? Especially considering that Eden and lian being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever I'd like to get some input on that. EBWOP c&p has failed me. It should have been "slightly leaning mafia for now" for both the last entries of that list | ||
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On January 27 2015 03:58 Half the Sky wrote: Pressure vote? I am keeping my vote on GB until he gets back to me... silly qtpi, it's not a pressure vote if I got and tell him "don't worry, 'tis just a pressure vote" | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote: I agree in that liancourt feels like he is picking his target and once he has picked that he's writing something about them (because he has to) rather than going with the flow. It should be the other way around, you find something weird and you talk about it no matter who it is, especially early on into d1. Is he usually the kind of guy that locks on his target and just goes at it? | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:15 Eden1892 wrote: hts says so, i've only played one game with him where he was town and i was mafia, and he locked onto me. but idk if he just does it in general or was zeroed in on me because i was obvious LOL my issue is less that he's zeroed in on me and refusing to budge or explain himself, because townies and mafia both tunnel on targets all the time. my issue is the reasoning he's using, which i feel like doesn't come from the position of someone who doesn't have the truth and is trying to figure it out, but instead from the position of someone who does have the truth and is trying to obscure it from the others though if he's tunneling he has confirmation bias by definition. If that's what he's doing it's likely he might ignore the parts you're blaming him for simply because he's certain you're mafia and looking at it only one way: Try to point out things that don't fit with your townmeta because you're mafia anyways Both what you said and what I said come down to the same thing I feel. It could very well be malicious just the way I think locking on to just one target could be something malicious because that way he doesn't have to make up stuff about a lot of people and can just focus on one guy. But if he does tunnel a lot that's a moot point. | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:36 Eden1892 wrote: Nah, there's a key difference in what I'm observing - for him to start tunneling on someone he thinks is mafia he first has to have some reason for thinking it. If his initially-given reason for thinking I'm mafia doesn't actually make sense from a townie POV, it makes him significantly less likely to be town and tunneling. Let's say it's d2 and he had done this awesome vote count analysis and made a decent argument for me being mafia. Say I afk'd with my vote on an outlier. He gives his case, then votes me, never reconsiders and starts turning everything I say into something suspicious. He's tunneling on me, but his fundamental argument that began the tunnel is sensible, so he's probably town tunneling. In contrast, let's say it's d1 and he decided I'm mafia because I posted a picture of a puppy. (shit doesn't have to make sense just roll with it) He then never reconsiders and starting turning everything I say into something suspicious. He's tunneling again, but it starts to look a lot more like mafia tunneling to avoid having to engage the thread, because his original reason for suspecting me was bogus and he then starts adjusting his interpretations of everything I say to justify himself post-facto. Obviously he's somewhere in the middle, but as I argued before, I think he's closer to the puppy side than the awesome side of the spectrum. His reasoning outright ignored half of his (two) data points without explanation, which is something I think is more likely to come from mafia than from town. He then proceeds to tunnel and misinterpret what I'm saying. The tunneling can go either way but the ignoring of the data points to make his first read can't. yes I agree with that and it is part of the reasoning I haven't unvoted him. | ||
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I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie. Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest. | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:20 IAmRobik wrote: His case on me is that I wasn't posting thus I'm mafia. I started posting. He continues to say I'm mafia for meta reasons, even though I've since broken that meta. Thus he's just making shit up and doesn't have any actual thoughts on analysis. Especially since all he does is talk about me. Additionally, he has made 4 posts today that amount to "i'm going afk be back later," which I find inherently scummy. first sentence: He is bad second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours. fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis. how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy? HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended) I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments. | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:27 Toadesstern wrote: first sentence: He is bad second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours. fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis. how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy? HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended) I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments. last part: sorry I misunderstood. I thought he used that phrase and you think that's scummy when what you meant is "he has done jackshit today" | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:29 Palmar wrote: Wow I am amazed how much mafia you are for these three words Toad ##vote Toadesstern care to elaborate? | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:38 IAmRobik wrote: THIS POST IS FOR PALMAR'S EYES ONLY: + Show Spoiler + Do you think it's scummier or townier for people to get frustrated with you? (HTS/Toad) it's a sign of how many games people have played with him / how long people know him. I'd expect most new guys to be annoyed at Palmar... and well VE is VE. He's always annoyed at something. That being said, I have to admit that while I did read GlowinBears spoilers I was too lazy to actually click the links inside the spoilers inside the spoilers (wtf...) and went just over it like "ya ya fine" most of the time. I re-read the case from HTS on page 14 though and like some of the points more now that I've checked the links as well. Gimme some time for that. | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote: EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts. I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now... I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time. That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone. | ||
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On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote: I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now... I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time. That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone. the more I think about that one point, the more I like it actually. It is clearly showing mafia agenda, more so than any other case done so far, including my own reads that are all based on how people are interacting here because d1 is usually really hard to get some mafia agenda when noone has flipped yet. I'd be voting him if I didn't want to make sure we get more time right now. There's still the lingering fear that he's bad and the easy mislynch but it makes me feel way better about this. | ||
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On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote: Sanity please. Good morning. Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile. I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1. | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote: Eden is town So this leaves: GB lian Toad Onegu But then again I'm bad and idk. The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right? I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much. if you take out my name from that list those other three have been the ones I want to lynch every since the last... 24 hours? ... what does that tell us about what you should be thinking about me? | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:36 Eden1892 wrote: bruh you just said GB has the same value as a policy lynch how you gonna turn around and be like "oh yeah lian/onegu/gb were my lynches" I said GB flipping town would be the same as a failed policy lynch which is the reason he's behind the other two despite being on the same "level" for me. He might even be slightly more scummy. | ||
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On January 27 2015 19:09 Eden1892 wrote: you're worrying too much about how the wagons might or might not look at EOD and too little about tracking down and lynching your suspects. refocus please I already mentioned yesterday that I liked HTS case, especially in one particular point and said that single point is the best thing the game has seen so far and I still think that way. And I said that makes me feel way better about GB being mafia. Take a step back and look at it from my pov. I townread GB quite heavily 36~48 hours ago. I'm not just going to push that all mentally away and be like "well duh, guy has to be mafia". It's obviously still popping up in the back of my head and making me wonder where I went wrong because I have to figure this out... That just reflects my general idea that I'd like to postpone decisions like that for a day and see what happens, thus saying he's only the third for me despite all that. | ||
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On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote: Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad? I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently. | ||
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On January 27 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote: So what? I feel like it's a mafia thing to do. Unlike all the baddies who cling to meta, I don't care if it's been done before or if he has done it before. I think it's a scummy way to frame your posting this current game. what do you make of him getting in the game and having said before it started that he'll try something new? You think he had different things planned for different alignments or would he just ignore it if rolling town? I'd consider that... well not cheating but getting yourself an advantage | ||
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On January 27 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote: This post is complete horseshit In fact I am much more sure on Toad being mafia than GB. But lynching both might be fine. The point here is Toad is waffling so hard on GB that it's almost painful are you fucking for real? I even explained it once more when Eden asked about it and said that's not what it I mean... | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:56 Palmar wrote: Who else went crazy? everyone who suddendly went like "WOA WOA REREAD TOAD AND I TOTALLY SEE IT AFTER YOU IGNORED THAT ONE POST WHERE TOAD TOLD EDEN HOW TO READ HIS RANTS". everyone's like that without even having mentioned what they think... hts is still town I feel, same as you. Robik could be mafia riding whatever is popular with people that say alot. | ||
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I got home like 20 minutes ago... what do you expect me to do right now | ||
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On January 28 2015 02:00 IAmRobik wrote: Are you even reading this fucking game? I'M LEADING THIS LYNCH! no you're not... | ||
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On January 28 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote: Kill toad!!!!!!!!!! have you ever stated why I'm confirmed mafia besides the big posts that were taking out of context (though I have to admit, Eden apparently didn't read them the way I intended you to read them either, which is why I cleared things up, you know, the posts you ignored) | ||
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On January 28 2015 02:11 Palmar wrote: There is literally 1 vote on you you imbecile I'VE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT VOTES ARE. I GOT HERE MAYBE 30 MINUTES AGO, SAW YOUR BIG WALL AND A BUNCH OF VOTES ON ME THUS GETTING MOST IMPORTANT THINGS OUT FIRST. | ||
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On January 28 2015 00:43 IAmRobik wrote: Palmar: I think it's GB & Toad HTS: omg, you're totes right plammmar. let me make the case for you Palmar: you're cute that's all there is about me. EVERYTHING On January 28 2015 00:43 Half the Sky wrote: Fair play. I'll admit up front I'm 99% sure on GB, but after filter diving him again, Toad is looking bad enough that if there's consensus, I will switch. We need consensus on either one of these. Eden, VE, Robik, I'm looking at you three - well Robik IS voting GB - but some feedback on Toad would be appreciated. That's what there is from HTS where does this even come from.... | ||
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On January 28 2015 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh okay...it's a wall of quotes, with the single (decent) point about Toad waffling on GB. Like, did he even read it? Why would he call it a wall? because it's my way of dismissing it mentally (at least for me) because after that post suddenly people came swarming out of everwhere saying [i]"woah woah I knew it all along!"[i] Not even "hey I'm rereading" (Onegu was the only one that said that iirc?) but people dropping that they suddenly think I'm mafia without any explanation whatsoever | ||
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On January 28 2015 02:36 IAmRobik wrote: I've taken a shovel and buried the fuck out of GB and have been pushing him all day. If you think I'm mafia, then why the fuck are you voting with me sry like I said... I got home, saw a bunch of people voting me, including your statement that you think I'm mafia together with GB and mistook that statement as you talking about how you're heading the lynch on me.. like Palmar mentioned | ||
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What Palmar has done so far is: 1) have a fun time and not caring a lot (town-ish) 2) ask a bunch of oneline questions inbetween that might seem like they do something but havn't actually ever ended up producing anything (mafia-ish) 3) And finally he did that one big post about me I was waiting for Palmars first big thing and see what it would be. The fact that it's about me and I know it to be bullshit makes things a bit difficult to judge here... I mean I understand the misunderstanding, at the same time Eden picked the exact same thing up, I explained it to him and it's apparently bad phrasing from me if that's how those two read it I just don't think I'd be the guy he'd go after if he's mafia. He'd have an easier time going after one of Onegu, GB and Lian given that most people, including myself want them somewhat dead and at least one of them has to be town. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote: Please unvote I know you really want this lynch, and we can have it later if you want. But we have 1d4h left. Don't throw it away wait do we have 1d 4 hour left or just 4 hours? ##unvote | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote: also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg there's absolutely no way mafia doesn't hammer this if GB is town, plenty of people think GB is mafia, they get away with robbing us of 28 hours as long as not both mafias already voted GB | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote: bingo, unless both mafia were already on gb do you think there's 2 mafias between: Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern ? Not even Palmar would agree with that because he thinks it's GB + me, which might be some kind of an exception as well because GB might not vote for himself. Then again, he already showed that he does and it would get him -28 hours for town... I think he'd take that as mafia in his spot. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:06 Eden1892 wrote: I have to admit that it's weird that GB would self-vote and retract if he's mafia. You don't self-vote as mafia unless you're planning to have your partner hammer it away to cut off discussion. I was kind of panicing getting in thread thinking there were 3 or 4 votes on me with Palmar posting all DETERMINED and shit. Maybe he thought there actually was a chance for me to dig my own grave in panic trying to get information out which would safe him? It is weird though. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:13 Eden1892 wrote: It's not impossible. HTS is the only person on that list I would say absolutely isn't mafia. Robik is very probably town, but it's worthy to note that a lot of his getting townread is that he's said the "right" things about a player (GlowingBear) popularly perceived as mafia, and so if GB is town (which the 2-mafia-on-GB theory necessarily implies), that has to be reevaluated. And I'm still uneasy about you and concerned about VE. So I'm still considering that possibility, yeah. Alternatively, GB could be mafia and his partner could have already tried to bus before the self-vote. There's nothing that anyone can say right now that can move any of those possibilities out of the realm of statistically significant chance, so I want time to evaluate all of them. that's what I'm saying. It doesn't even matter if the 2nd mafia is already on him. If GB is mafia there's a legit reason to think about it from a mafias PoV. No matter if the 2nd mafia is already on him or not, the decision to bus him is one to make and might take some consideration. On the other hand the decision to kill off GB if he's town, assuming there aren't 2 mafias already on him, is fairly straight forward. Granted I have an advantage here in knowing at least my alignment and agreeing with you on HTS, while Robik continues to be back at null if my earlier posts about him were a misunderstanding on my part and VE is still slightly townish in my book. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:20 Eden1892 wrote: Well, no, strike that. If the panicking didn't come until after GB retracted self-vote, it doesn't hold. Question stands though. a quick walkthrough for what happened from my PoV: 1) I get back 2) I see a couple pages I have to catch up... I think something like 3 3) I quickly go through them looking for the names 4) I see Palmar making a big post and am like "wow nice I want to see if he finally started playing" 5) I realize he wants me lynched, I check for votes after his big post and thought I saw multiple ones on me (could have been Palmar going forth and back idk) 6) I filter Artanis, check if there was a post from him 7) no post, I'm allowed to post 8) I am allowed to post and do so without reading the rest to at least get my thoughts out fast Both Robik and Palmar realized pretty quickly that I didn't even read the rest of the thread at that point. I'm not even sure I realized the self-vote nore the retraction of it. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:27 Eden1892 wrote: bruh. i'm not even talkin about you LMAO I was trying to figure out a reason why mafia!GB would get cold feet about martyring, and the only thing I thought of is that he might have seen you flipping your shit about getting lynched and tried to get on that ice instead But it doesn't matter b/c you flipped out after GB unmartyred so given his situation it could have been a desperate stunt. People want him dead the most so might as well try that. On the other hand... what about timezones? How likely is it that while town!GB was on 4 votes, assuming at least 1 mafia still left to vote him, just wasn't online? On January 28 2015 04:32 Half the Sky wrote: Also does Palmar typically policy vote D1? That's another thing I forgot to consider. I'd say no. Could have changed in the last year | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:44 GlowingBear wrote: If you believe mafia would have hammered me you have to think that toad is mafia The only thing that prevents me to vote toad is that palmar is scum reading him I was the one that just unvoted you once I was told that there's 72 hour cycles and not 48 hour cycles like it used to be one year ago... | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:47 Half the Sky wrote: Toad was not in thread at the time. I already looked into that. It was Robik, me, Onegu, Palmar, and both Robik and I had votes on you already. while that might be true you can't really use that for mafia. Chances are that two people are online reading in here while not posting while reading all the time because they're mafia. So chances are you don't know who really was available if push comes to shove | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah but when it came back to the thread he instantly voted me reach makes no sense Because he cared down read on me and He admitted to me voted me for survival chances are if it's between: *get myself lynched* and *get someone else lynched* I'll take the second one no questions asked and I was in a panic at that time. In fact the only situation in which that thought doesn't make sense is if I'm mafia together with you and mafia!me thinks that killing me would be more beneficial to us than killing mafia!you (hint: I wouldn't ever think that) | ||
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I believe it. The play was "I have no idea what to do anymore... - how about you vote yourself and see what happens, not like you got something to lose here. If you get lynched without doing it we're down to just me anways - fiiiiine" | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:03 Half the Sky wrote: You have a scumread on Toad, presumably. Why are/were you voting a policy read over a scum read? Why aren't you pushing Toad to everyone else who was in here? add to that that when talking to me he's talking in absolutes. When talking to GB he is more lenient (expectedly): On January 28 2015 04:53 Palmar wrote: you're scum or seriously bad. I don't care which but please stop playing in the best interest of town thank you If he considers that a thing and is more lenient about GB because he thinks GB should not be hold to a high standard that should only make it more likely for Palmar to distance himself from a GB vote, at least in comparison to me. | ||
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He still hasn't really explained his read at all other than "toad waffles on GB" which I do every game no matter of alignment and he knows that. We've played mafia together for... 3 years? Eden's questions about me are too long for me to go through when I have to leave right now but it makes somewhat sense from his PoV if he doesn't know me, even if you could answer every single question in there if you had looked at my previous games (like the fact that I HAAATE talking about townreads and explaining them with a passion to answer one of the questions) and at least he's explaining it. So don't take that as a bad thing. HTS I still feel comfortable in being town VE I'm not as sure about anymore. It could be he's mafia defending me to get towncred after I flip but that could just be me paranoid. If I try to forget that I'd still say more on the townish side Robik is prolly somewhat townish GB is back to null for me. I still feel like mafia would have hammered that if he was town but could be that noone was around. Onegu I felt better about lately. Wouldn't be my #1 priority anymore. Probably behind a lian lynch and Palmar (spite-) lynch (Palmar could totally be Mafia though, like I said he knows me for 3 years. He's way better than what he's showing here) liancourt seems to be the guy to go for imo with that being said I put my vote on lian for now and most likely for today even if I come back and day isn't over yet ##vote liancourt And wow, this is actually the first time I ever get lynched as town (in 3 years?) without ragequitting or being modkilled for making a mistake. Good job Palmar | ||
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On January 29 2015 01:34 VisceraEyes wrote: To set the record straight, I'm pretty sure I haven't defended you anywhere Toad. Simply asked Palmar to further elaborate on his read of you. I'm very close to voting for you myself, because I'm not used to you playing a game without screaming about how X or Y is mafia...regardless of your alignment. I used to play nonstop. The rage of having to deal with people didn't disappear 100% by the end of every game, so that stacked up. That's what you get after not playing for a year and thus being 100% ragefree! That being said I'm gone now. I'd be willing to vote for Lian/GB mostly if I'm still alive when being back. If it's between me and someone else I'll vote whatever you want me to vote though | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:00 Palmar wrote: But it's so hard to blue-hunt... So I decided to shoot some scum night 1, could even hit hugo and then try to look like I'm not batman. I shot radfield, but of course he was talia. Toad being the joker didn't click until about the time I posted this The reason for all the trolling and spamming is that I wanted to make the thread as useless for scumhunting as possible. The reason being that my theory was that if I made actually playing mafia impossible, the town would turn to their blue roles for support, thus allowing me to better identify them. I think it kinda worked, we got a load of claims early in the game and they helped me tremendously. I mean... figuring out the exact identity of one person out of 30-ish on day 2 is not something that normally happens, but given the chaotic thread it was much easier. He has long left the realm of having fun and being a little trollish. He's doing it on purpose and he has done it on purpose in the past as well. His reasoning on me is still nothing but: Toad waffles + there's something else but I forgot what it is. Sorry I'm d&d'ing. Can't really read but I can ask to quickly use his PC to make a post inbetween because I knew where to find that quote :3 For answering the questions I'll actually need time to back stuff up from old games from me and won't be able to do that before getting back. | ||
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On January 29 2015 02:47 Half the Sky wrote: I hope you are joking. This is a pure vanilla game. Why in the actual hell are you or anyone suggesting third party play? I'm leaving the office, and headed for a dinner date. I'll be back. I'm not saying he's third party. I'm saying he was third party in that game and employed the tactic to troll, more so than ever, to make the thread as unreadable as possible and he's doing the same this game as mafia because he's usually not this useless | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Updated the OP. Can you explain to me why you said that one out of VE/Robik had to be mafia after I said it's either Palmar or Robik based on votecount? I remember being certain that at least one out of VE/Robik/Lian had to be mafia after d1 votecount and took me 5 seconds to get to Robik from there but that latter part was a read based on what he did on d1 and no hard fact like one being within those 3. How'd you go down to it being 2 instead of 3? | ||
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On February 02 2015 22:11 Palmar wrote: Sorry I was wrong on Toad, my bad. you better be sorry | ||
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