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On January 27 2015 07:44 Toadesstern wrote: That being said, I have to admit that while I did read GlowinBears spoilers I was too lazy to actually click the links inside the spoilers inside the spoilers (wtf...) and went just over it like "ya ya fine" most of the time. I re-read the case from HTS on page 14 though and like some of the points more now that I've checked the links as well. Gimme some time for that. I'd appreciate a second opinion on my points there (aside from GB, who will obviously be biased). My wariness of these long posts and putting shit out of context comes from my experience in my last large normal game, where Holyflare tried to make a massive post on his scumreads and people bought it just because it was a massive "shiny" post. He was mafia leader in that game. So minding that, I'll admit I checked each individual post in relation to the filter and to the thread. | ||
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It is almost 9am in Korea. Paging Liancourt to this thread. I have another hour or so in thread before bed, so let's see what I can do... | ||
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His posts are showing a townie feel through page 1 of his filter. I cannot comment on the meta posts regarding Palmar as I have not played with either of them. I personally don't like Palmar's trolling, but I don't know how he should be interacting with VE. That said, VE clearly has a reason for scumreading him as he has been pushing Palmar for 3 pages of his filter, so that should be indicative of a more prolonged town push. Whether it's accurate or not is another issue. I like this post from VE not so much because he has the same scumread as I do, but because he's calling out an inconsistency in his target's behaviour. On January 27 2015 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm still relatively fine with a GB lynch. I still don't like his "mind dumps" and he warned us he'd be doing them all game and now that he's been called out on it they've stopped. Like, it all just stinks of trying to APPEAR to be doing things. I see VE is annoyed with Toad's comments on Palmar but I have interpreted those as him disputing the read, saying he's just reading too much into things. Overall generally a good impression on VE. VE, I am curious to see whether your reads on GB, Eden have changed or even Liancourt at this point. | ||
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Mostly trolling until page 3 of his filter. I'm also going to say leaning town on him as well. I like how he tries to tackle Palmar's trolling and I especially liked this post from him going through point by point his reservation on GB. On January 27 2015 07:35 IAmRobik wrote: See the thing is -- the first sentence is probably valid, but a townie recognizes that my posting has changed since he made that statement and he hasn't adjusted his read, which is scummy, not "bad". Well bad too. Plus, he just played a game with me where I was the cop and didn't play d1 because of New Years and became way more active after that and he tried to meta read me as mafia based off of me playing similarly to how i played as the cop, but i couldn't be the cop since there are no roles thus i have to be mafia. DAFUQ KINDA READ IS THAT. Especially since I was town and ended up with a 30+ page filter anyway, 3rd highest in the game, having lived 2 days shorter than total game time. My only reservation is that he should be providing more of his reads (like say on VE, Onegu, etc) but otherwise, he seems okay. Leaning town. | ||
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Town: Toad, with leans on VE, Robik, and at this point Eden. Not lynching any of these four today. Null: Onegu Null leaning scum: Liancourt Scum: GlowingBear (preferred lynch), Palmar | ||
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On January 27 2015 09:45 IAmRobik wrote: I don't wanna read VE because it bothers me that he is TRing me. We never get along as T/T. I gave my read on Onegu. I don't have reads on other people, but have offered free town reads for people voting for GB. So you can be town too. I think...if you're voting GB still I am. Top lynch preference. | ||
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Still null on Onegu. His list post was one-liners admittedly, would like to see more from him, but he could be a low-content player so I'm not sure where to judge that. If GB flips scum, I'd say it's unlikely that Onegu would be scum as he was grossly misrepresented, and highly unlikely in this setup that he would be bussed. I don't like associative reads, but it's something to consider on my end given my scumread on GB. Speaking of GB, he hasn't returned to thread yet since my last followup. Liancourt, I would like to see resolve the issues previously cited, I hope it gets done when I'm asleep. Palmar's lack of reads, even amidst the trolling, is getting more annoying by the second. We're on page 30 Palmar, get with the program please. But yes, GlowingBear is my top lynch, and if he is offed when I wake up, I am fairly confident I'll wake up to one less scum in this game. Good night everyone <3 | ||
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On January 27 2015 09:45 IAmRobik wrote: I don't wanna read VE because it bothers me that he is TRing me. We never get along as T/T. I gave my read on Onegu. I don't have reads on other people, but have offered free town reads for people voting for GB. So you can be town too. I think...if you're voting GB still How is the above (bolded) alignment indicative? | ||
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Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote: @toad I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard. How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile. | ||
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That to me is a red flag. I'll have to look into this more. | ||
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Folks, moderator actions are irrelevant to someone's alignment. I have seen scum players get warned, my scum teammate from Newbie LX was warned himself, and a second teammate of mine was replaced and given a ban. Do not assume someone's alignment just because of a moderator's action. Just my input there. | ||
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On January 27 2015 11:28 GlowingBear wrote: ... People are saying my early reads are bad. Like. Seriously. Point out specific problems on those reads at that time. Robik I was out the entire day and if you think it's alignment indicative you should check my most recent town games. My suspicions on you weren't because you were afk. My suspicions on you were because you were actively following the thread but no posting until people called you out. Then I asked for a read and you simply denied to do ("haven't read the thread", "who the fuck is this guy"). You're simply denying information here. Why not reading important things and contribute instead of just lurk? I didn't updated my read on you because I was outside all they long, not actually reading the thread. C'mon. And if anyone here doesn't understand why this is scummy, you can lynch me because I can't convince you with any other obvious arguments and I just rather die than giving me the trouble to persuade you GlowingBear, I cannot speak for others' reads, but you keep ignoring my posts. I posted a followup on page 19 after you responded. Why do you mention others but not me? I am not just saying your reads are bad, I am demonstrating that you have a mafia agenda. I am accusing you of having a mafia agenda. If you are town, you will resolve this. I don't like how you are posting right now in general, nevermind you ignoring me in this game, and I'd argue that aside from Robik, I am the biggest proponent of your lynch. Even if I'm not in the thread because of time difference, you should be resolving the posts from the biggest proponents of your lynch. I have other scumreads as well, but I have my reasons for why you are top of my list. So if you're town, you're going to either defend yourself AND show us that you are operating on a town agenda, because right now I'm not seeing it. | ||
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I am going to think the former for now. On January 27 2015 11:13 liancourt wrote: The part where you HARD defend toad kinda looks familiar to a certain game I played with you... HARD defending your partner lala. There is literally no reason for town to HARD defend another town this detailed. Not sure if toad is his partner yet, but I'll keep my eyes open. Town should be scum hunting not hard defending other players. Everyone who has ever played mafia knows it's less stressful to call someone town than to call someone mafia. And eden here is doing the same thing calling me scum because I caught him and he is OMGUSing me like he did in new years. Another tone post to scumread someone? No, Liancourt, just, no. Just stop please. Seriously, Liancourt I'm not sure I agree with this post at all, let alone scumreading Eden for it. In the first quote you have posted, Eden is not defending Toad per se, but rather the thought process by which he would have gone through in his actions. He's highlighting the rationale for Toad's behaviour. He IS scumhunting by trying to reason his behaviour from both a town and scum perspective in his read. That might not be YOUR style of scumhunting, but it is A LEGIT way of scumhunting. In your second quote, there is absolutely no comparison. That quote from NYE Party Mafia doesn't even talk about rationale for behaviour, it's a bunch of associative scumreads based on what is a contorted vote count analysis. (I say contorted because Eden was scum.) That's a completely different type of argument that Eden is making under a very different situation. "Hard defending" someone is all relative, you need to look harder at the content, and not just the tone. Eden can sound intense whether he's town or mafia, but there's a VERY distinct difference between the two paragraphs you are using to scumread him. | ||
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On January 27 2015 14:58 Eden1892 wrote: but not about toad. just about tr'ing liancourt toad could still possibly be mafia i guess but idt it's worth exploring d1. let's get onegu instead ya? Onegu is a possibility, but I need to think twice as to why GlowingBear would pull a poor read on him. Give me a few hours to cook on this. | ||
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1 GB 2 Onegu 3 Liancourt Definitely willing to consolidate on either 1 or 2. | ||
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