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On January 28 2015 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:On January 28 2015 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
GB my reasoning is simple. Your "mind dump" posts looked very much like trying to appear contributory to me. This is exacerbated by the fact that once called out on them you simply stopped doing them. Earlier on in the game your posting had a theme of "BRB guys, I'm reading but I'll BRB I'm doing something else BRB" and since you've returned you've seemed really defensive. You consider risking voting for myself to be defensive? To say that my mind notes posts are forced contribution, I want you to tell me if my reads are fluff. If they aren't fluff, they are actual contribution, so half of your reasons were debunked. ##Vote: GlowingBearI don't have to tell you shit. I don't care if you THINK you've debunked my reasons. Please, tell me again how voting for yourself makes you town. Get lynched, GB.
YOU CAN'T SAY I'M FAKING CONTRIBUTION IF I'M ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING, OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO REASON THINGS WTF
VOTING FOR MYSELF IS A RISK MAFIA WOULDN'T TAKE IN AN INSTANT MAJORITY LYNCH WTF AND IT SHOWS YOU THAT I'M NOT BEING DEFENSIVE
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?????
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We actually have an entire day and 4 hours left. Since when are 72hour days a thing.
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also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg
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On January 28 2015 04:02 GlowingBear wrote:
YOU CAN'T SAY I'M FAKING CONTRIBUTION IF I'M ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING, OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO REASON THINGS WTF
I think VE and I are saying things differently but my point of contention with you is that you are distorting the facts.
I used the point with Onegu mainly to show that it's NOT just me (thus NOT OMGUS) you are doing this to.
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On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:
also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg
bingo, unless both mafia were already on gb
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Untouchable Votecount
GlowingBear (3): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Palmar, Toadesstern, VisceraEyes
Onegu (2): Eden1892, liancourt
liancourt (1): Toadesstern, Onegu, Eden1892
Toadesstern (1): GlowingBear, liancourt, Palmar, Palmar
IAmRobik (0): GlowingBear, Palmar
Eden1892 (0): liancourt
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes, GlowingBear
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.
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On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:
also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg
there's absolutely no way mafia doesn't hammer this if GB is town, plenty of people think GB is mafia, they get away with robbing us of 28 hours as long as not both mafias already voted GB
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I have to admit that it's weird that GB would self-vote and retract if he's mafia. You don't self-vote as mafia unless you're planning to have your partner hammer it away to cut off discussion.
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On January 28 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:
also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg bingo, unless both mafia were already on gb
do you think there's 2 mafias between: Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern ?
Not even Palmar would agree with that because he thinks it's GB + me, which might be some kind of an exception as well because GB might not vote for himself. Then again, he already showed that he does and it would get him -28 hours for town... I think he'd take that as mafia in his spot.
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Eden, recap of the day...
1 Palmar finally starts contributing
2 Palmar scumreads Toad for his positions on GB and the manner in which he's posting
3 I check Toad to see what he's talking about. Given my own experience as scum, I found Palmar's suspicions reasonable. I found several posts I didn't like.
4 Toad panics thinking he has multiple votes on him.
5 I continue pushing GB, but I do understand wanting more time to eval. He's got 3 votes, if he still has 3 when I go to bed, I will unvote since we have more than a day now.
6 GB until recently continued to be evasive and we are just flat at loggerheads on the points I am scumreading him for.
7 VE further suspects Palmar. I'm exploring that possibility.
Obviously check it yourself, but yea.
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On January 28 2015 04:06 Eden1892 wrote:
I have to admit that it's weird that GB would self-vote and retract if he's mafia. You don't self-vote as mafia unless you're planning to have your partner hammer it away to cut off discussion.
I was kind of panicing getting in thread thinking there were 3 or 4 votes on me with Palmar posting all DETERMINED and shit.
Maybe he thought there actually was a chance for me to dig my own grave in panic trying to get information out which would safe him?
It is weird though.
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On January 28 2015 04:06 Eden1892 wrote:
I have to admit that it's weird that GB would self-vote and retract if he's mafia. You don't self-vote as mafia unless you're planning to have your partner hammer it away to cut off discussion.
Maybe I'll check the time elapsed between the time he claimed and the time he retracted. Could lead us somewhere.
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On January 28 2015 04:08 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote:On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:
also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg bingo, unless both mafia were already on gb do you think there's 2 mafias between: Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern ? Not even Palmar would agree with that because he thinks it's GB + me, which might be some kind of an exception as well because GB might not vote for himself. Then again, he already showed that he does and it would get him -28 hours for town... I think he'd take that as mafia in his spot.
It's not impossible. HTS is the only person on that list I would say absolutely isn't mafia. Robik is very probably town, but it's worthy to note that a lot of his getting townread is that he's said the "right" things about a player (GlowingBear) popularly perceived as mafia, and so if GB is town (which the 2-mafia-on-GB theory necessarily implies), that has to be reevaluated. And I'm still uneasy about you and concerned about VE. So I'm still considering that possibility, yeah.
Alternatively, GB could be mafia and his partner could have already tried to bus before the self-vote.
There's nothing that anyone can say right now that can move any of those possibilities out of the realm of statistically significant chance, so I want time to evaluate all of them.
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Which, as I scroll up and see the vote count I missed earlier, I see you've all mercifully given me. Thanks.
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On January 28 2015 01:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 01:21 Half the Sky wrote:On January 27 2015 23:32 Palmar wrote:
toad and glowingbear, you can just concede now, if you want to. GlowingBear, you realise I'm not the only one scumreading you, right? Oh wait, is that a scum I see giving up? Yeah, that is a scum giving up. Gg well played
On January 28 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
GB claimed scum at 4:23pm my time and retracted at 4:37pm my time.
When he voted I believe he had three. Palmar gave him #4 via martyr policy at 4:30pm.
GB retracted at 4:37pm.
On January 28 2015 01:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Untouchable Votecount
GlowingBear (4): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Palmar
Onegu (2): Eden1892, liancourt
liancourt (1): Toadesstern, Onegu, Eden1892
Toadesstern (0): GlowingBear, liancourt, Palmar
IAmRobik (0): GlowingBear, Palmar
Eden1892 (0): liancourt
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.
The people in thread were at the time - Palmar, Onegu, myself, Robik.
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I wonder if it's too early to use that "The guy who's off doing his own thing is very probably mafia" heuristic.
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On January 28 2015 04:13 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:08 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote:On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote:
also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg bingo, unless both mafia were already on gb do you think there's 2 mafias between: Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern ? Not even Palmar would agree with that because he thinks it's GB + me, which might be some kind of an exception as well because GB might not vote for himself. Then again, he already showed that he does and it would get him -28 hours for town... I think he'd take that as mafia in his spot. It's not impossible. HTS is the only person on that list I would say absolutely isn't mafia. Robik is very probably town, but it's worthy to note that a lot of his getting townread is that he's said the "right" things about a player (GlowingBear) popularly perceived as mafia, and so if GB is town (which the 2-mafia-on-GB theory necessarily implies), that has to be reevaluated. And I'm still uneasy about you and concerned about VE. So I'm still considering that possibility, yeah. Alternatively, GB could be mafia and his partner could have already tried to bus before the self-vote.There's nothing that anyone can say right now that can move any of those possibilities out of the realm of statistically significant chance, so I want time to evaluate all of them.
that's what I'm saying. It doesn't even matter if the 2nd mafia is already on him. If GB is mafia there's a legit reason to think about it from a mafias PoV. No matter if the 2nd mafia is already on him or not, the decision to bus him is one to make and might take some consideration.
On the other hand the decision to kill off GB if he's town, assuming there aren't 2 mafias already on him, is fairly straight forward.
Granted I have an advantage here in knowing at least my alignment and agreeing with you on HTS, while Robik continues to be back at null if my earlier posts about him were a misunderstanding on my part and VE is still slightly townish in my book.
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On January 28 2015 01:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 01:21 Half the Sky wrote:On January 27 2015 23:32 Palmar wrote:
toad and glowingbear, you can just concede now, if you want to. GlowingBear, you realise I'm not the only one scumreading you, right? Oh wait, is that a scum I see giving up? Yeah, that is a scum giving up. Gg well played
GB, if you're town, why post this? I understand getting frustrated, but you posting this and then retracting your self-vote honestly looks like mafia getting cold feet about self-hammering.
Toad looks like he might have a pretty compelling point about his panicking over Palmar here.
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