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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 26 2015 15:32 GMT
#321
Untouchable Votecount
GlowingBear (3): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes
IAmRobik (2): GlowingBear, Palmar
Eden1892 (1): liancourt
Toadesstern (0): GlowingBear, liancourt

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 15:32 GMT
#322
Yea, VE, I feel the material he's putting out is highly suspect. Disregarding meta, he's a strong scumread for me.

Continuing to evaluating other people...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 26 2015 15:35 GMT
#323
On January 27 2015 00:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 00:20 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I really really dislike GB's "mind-dumps" or whatever. Like - it just reeks of "Hey guys look at how productive I am! I mean I've got notes on EVERY PLAYER here!"

Eden calling lurkers (me Palmar Robik) mafia is really irksome to me. Like, what's the point of lynching lurkers if you're going to ignore the people posting? Does he give reasoning for townreading everyone but lurkers?

And lian focusing on Eden because of "assumptions" and "omgus" is....strange. I don't know if I think it's mafia or town. Like...on the one hand maybe he just can't think of anything else to say as town. On the other, if he's mafia he's doing a good job of not doing anything while looking like he's doing something. I think I lean mafia.

Assuming no hard lurkers later in the day, these are the three I'd lynch into today.



Dude look at fantasy football mafia 2 and to mafia lxviii. And compare GB's posts in those games he's town.

I'm not looking at any past games.

Look, over 3/4 of the "notes" he has on players in this game are fucking one-word jokes. His note on me is "Cool Beard" and his note on Robik is "Ughhh". There's nothing in either of those posts that seems to me like he is actually trying to find mafia. It just looks like he's trying to appear busy to me, and that looks mafia.



Robik was being a ass and you hadn't posted what's he supposed to write? Ths pointed out the flaws in his scum read on me but I saw effort not just busy work.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 26 2015 15:39 GMT
#324
VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum
I'm adorable.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 15:40 GMT
#325
Looking closer at Eden.

My history with Eden, only one game with him and I was modkilled from that game D2, he was scum that game. He seemed like he was putting effort in that game and I had incorrectly townread him.

This game page 1 of filter - mostly sarcastic one-liners, going to say null for now on that part alone.

On January 26 2015 10:05 Eden1892 wrote:
liancourt is aggressively null. He's my kill right now, because I'm actually a bureaucrat tasked with the charge of increasing Toad Town's literacy rate at all costs, and I fear he may be illiterate.

Robik, Palmar and VisceraEyes are confirmed mafia until they do something too, so now I've already decided the first 4 days of Lynchmas. Joy!


These reads could be interpreted as either more sarcasm or lousy reasons to read people...I am leaning towards sarcasm.

Reading through page 4...a lot of drunk posting. Ugh.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 15:43 GMT
#326
On January 27 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote:
VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum


For the fourth time, please respond to my accusations. I am scumreading you disregarding meta, if you are trying something new, then I assume you can post a defence at face value.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 26 2015 15:44 GMT
#327
9. Half the Sky
+ Show Spoiler +
I hate this post + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98
because Toads entrance was really scummy and giving a townread because someone is having fun can never be a reason to townread someone. Just look at Artanis play at Imperial, completely relaxed, and any Slam's scumgame. Felt like possible mafia not knowing how to interpret an entrance and saying it looks townie because her view is already tainted by her perfect information.

INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!!
Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140
but still haven't tried to figure out lian's alignment by pushing him yet. BUT thinks my entrance is horrible and puts suspicions on me here + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125

Where did those suspicions go? Weird.


HTS, can you address to these points?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 26 2015 15:45 GMT
#328
On January 27 2015 00:16 Half the Sky wrote:
V Titanic is a mini, you are correct here, he appears to have done jack all that game.

Fanfic Crossover, large normal, this is where GB seems to go more substantial with some of his explanations and I'm getting more hesitant to give him a pass on meta. Some of these explanations might hold a parallel to the way he explains things here, examples:

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 02:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 16 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote:
On September 16 2014 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
It's ambiguous, I could read that "not pushing" is a staple or "pushing" is a staple.
Doesn't really matter, that's fair enough.

I wouldn't give a free pass, tho. Rayn is self aware of that scumtell


Ok GB,

Tell me what you think of VE and Robik right now if you could


Haven't read the whole thread because I was working when the thread boomed. But for what I've read, this is totally town Robik. I don't know VE's meta but he seems too passive, saying he is voting palmar but he is not sure. I don't like this. If he is not sure he should be searching for other possibilities, other scummy posts.

There is only three options: you think someone is town, you think someone is scum, or you have no idea. You vote for the ones you think could be mafia, you discuss with the ones you think is town, and you inquire null reads. He is not inquiring palmar, he is freely voting on him.


Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 23:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Robik's tone completely changed over the pages, marv. He was at least scum hunting but then he started just defending himself and calling people bad over nothing, and left the thread. This is how he plays as scum. I showed my motives right after the vote.

I can't stand playing with Robik anymore, he really thinks he is better than he actually is



Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 16 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
Robik came out the gate calling people awful and he continued to do it, consistently.


"You're bad because your read is bad. I think this guy is mafia because *okay reasoning*" = town Robik

"You're bad because you're bad. I think this guy is mafia because he called him Harry Potter instead of his actual nickname. LOL u calling me mafia? You guys suck only for that I'm getting out of the thread because I'm pissed off" = scum Robik

He can call people bad anytime, that's Robik. Calling people bad for nothing and not building a good scum hunt, that's scum Robik.

His gameplay started as town and got scum, so I voted him


I realise he's not a native English speaker though, and neither am I for that matter, so I can understand if something is getting lost in translation. But the Fanfic game is giving me pause...

Looking through some of the others...


I'm this game he waffled a ton and while he made many posts, the posts you linked are the only ones that had any substance at all in the first 7 pages of his filter. He goes back and forth on robik being town then scum and back to town.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 26 2015 15:45 GMT
#329
On January 27 2015 00:43 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote:
VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum


For the fourth time, please respond to my accusations. I am scumreading you disregarding meta, if you are trying something new, then I assume you can post a defence at face value.


I find boring responding to your accusations because I'm town and it makes those accusations completely false.

Anyway, gonna do this now.
I'm adorable.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 15:46 GMT
#330
On January 27 2015 00:44 GlowingBear wrote:
9. Half the Sky
+ Show Spoiler +
I hate this post + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98
because Toads entrance was really scummy and giving a townread because someone is having fun can never be a reason to townread someone. Just look at Artanis play at Imperial, completely relaxed, and any Slam's scumgame. Felt like possible mafia not knowing how to interpret an entrance and saying it looks townie because her view is already tainted by her perfect information.

INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!!
Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140
but still haven't tried to figure out lian's alignment by pushing him yet. BUT thinks my entrance is horrible and puts suspicions on me here + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125

Where did those suspicions go? Weird.


HTS, can you address to these points?


I already had done so in my case, in fact doing so exposed the problems in your case (page 14).
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 26 2015 15:47 GMT
#331
On January 27 2015 00:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I find boring responding to your accusations because I'm town and it makes those accusations completely false.

Anyway, gonna do this now.


If you're town, then you will convince me why my thinking is off.

Saying you're town because you're town will get you absolutely nowhere in my books.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 26 2015 15:52 GMT
#332
On January 26 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar is another player who I've not played with. All of a single post. I'm surprised GB isn't giving the same read on him as he is Robik.

I was pretty sure town Palmar is someone who tries to solve the game. Or does he throw sarcastic remarks D1 as well?

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 26 2015 15:53 GMT
#333
On January 26 2015 21:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar
Make me believe you're town

Giev me reeds.

How can I read when I don't read?
Computer says mafia
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 26 2015 16:08 GMT
#334
I've read the whole case but I'm addressing to this quote because it makes easier to read.

On January 26 2015 14:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Again, I'm sorry this is a massive post but the TLDR version of the above scumread on GB:

1 Massive note/"giant shiny posts" should be examined for inaccuracies or being misleading
2 The game setup needs to be considered given the list of scumreads (instant lynch)
3 GB has taken several points out of context on two reads which are cause for concern given #2. I try to examine how a true townie would have examined the information.



1. Yes they should be examined, but have in mind I'm posting this so I can keep track of my thoughts. A huge problem on Imperial Mafia was that I repeatedly forgot important things about people and that made my reads more difficult.
Nonetheless, no read of mine is misleading. In a world where there is already discussion going on, you're supposed to contribute and that is NOT what Onegu is doing. His reads are too superficial, two liners. If you analyse those posts I've quoted in and overall POV, you'll realise that he isn't trying to solve the game.
Those post are him faking putting thoughts on what kind of vote that was. But it went to no conclusion.

A question here: why my vote was scummy and Robik's probably town trolling? How can you still say everybody was leaning town when you had suspicions on me? How can you suddenly think I'm mafia for that?
You've played once with me and you are trying to push meta reads. You're analysing last games of mine. Yet you disregard Robik's meta saying that "you haven't played with him yet". Well, you could do what you're doing with me now. Why the double standards?
How can you say that you town read lian and instantly call him a potential scum in the big meta post?


2. No it doesn't. I have to see who is probably scum and decide who to lynch today. Period.

3. No points out of context. Actually, I've quoted individual posts but I read them considering Onegu's overall gameplay until now.

I guess that's all.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 26 2015 16:08 GMT
#335
On January 27 2015 00:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 21:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar
Make me believe you're town

Giev me reeds.

How can I read when I don't read?


You can start by reading so you can read
I'm adorable.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 26 2015 16:20 GMT
#336
On January 27 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote:
VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum

I'm scumreading you because it doesn't look like you're trying to figure out the game. But neither reason for scumreading you makes me scum, nice try though.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 26 2015 16:24 GMT
#337
On January 27 2015 00:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar is another player who I've not played with. All of a single post. I'm surprised GB isn't giving the same read on him as he is Robik.

I was pretty sure town Palmar is someone who tries to solve the game. Or does he throw sarcastic remarks D1 as well?


the fuck are you doing?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 26 2015 16:25 GMT
#338
On January 27 2015 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote:
VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum

I'm scumreading you because it doesn't look like you're trying to figure out the game. But neither reason for scumreading you makes me scum, nice try though.


I'm sorry, have you read all the quotations?
I'm adorable.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 26 2015 16:26 GMT
#339
On January 27 2015 01:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 27 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote:
VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum

I'm scumreading you because it doesn't look like you're trying to figure out the game. But neither reason for scumreading you makes me scum, nice try though.


I'm sorry, have you read all the quotations?

No, you said they're just for you and the ones I opened were god-awful. Why would I open ALL of them when the ones I DO open are fucking useless?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 26 2015 16:27 GMT
#340
I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people.

In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday
+ Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] +
so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before.
And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this:
party - phoneposting - drunk
Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party.
If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party

About VE:
I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again


I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently.
Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry).
GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now.

All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to
It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people.

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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