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Reading through, I've not played a game with Marv so I'm not familiar as to how he plays as scum. I find it interesting though that when the pressure votes are on, he posts a few things on Artanis' story. (Why?) HF, on VA, I agree with you as to why he is looking bad. However, last game with Vayne, I voted him for being completely useless not helping us solve the game and Batsnacks told me that his D1 meta is basically dicking around and not caring. He was lynched and flipped town. | ||
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I agree Oats looks bad, think him going to sleep looks like it's his excuse for not expanding on what he said on Damdred. | ||
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On January 20 2015 06:23 KelsierSC wrote: I don't think it looks bad He needed to sleep right, You could say the same thing on Lian, who also needed to sleep. AFAIK, they are both in Asia time zones. Lian posted ~2h before the game started, but the difference is that Oats actually commented on something relevant in the game and didn't give an explanation. He didn't have to write a novel, just a sentence would have done. Which also begs the question why Vivax wanted to vote Lian. | ||
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On January 20 2015 06:22 sicklucker wrote: Hts its so no secret that marv doesint want to play scum. His last 3 games all mafia. In the first two he gave up on day 1. His most recent one being a 600 page marathon. After that game is over theres no way hes gonna try if he rolled mafia again. So thats why we all vote marv and see what happens. IMO, this is speculative. I think a judgment is better made on him closer to the end of D1. A Marv vote closer to the end would make sense if the posts on Artanis' story were the only ones he'd done, end of. | ||
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On January 20 2015 06:37 KelsierSC wrote: Did you think what Dam said was good? What he said in opening made sense, but I'm more curious to know why he commented on vetting Marv's alignment and just a minute later, Marv is in thread to comment on Artanis' story, but Dam doesn't appear to push him on it even though he talks on the story. | ||
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I don't like his reason for suggesting to vote Lian esp when Lian posted well before the game started (and Artanis said he couldn't post anything but popcorn). | ||
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On January 20 2015 08:37 liancourt wrote: Did sl even post? Lian, are you not reading? He started posting on page 5 and through page 8. | ||
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On January 20 2015 07:20 marvellosity wrote: Ok, so what do you make of it? Or is it just "interesting" in a vacuum... You looked bad to me at that point because Damdred said (page 5) you'd be yelling lots and your initial reaction only supported his earlier statement that if you didn't care, you were likely mafia. | ||
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On January 20 2015 08:57 Wile E. Coyote wrote: He looked bad to you because he did not yell after a few pressure votes? Ok... Does he still look bad to you? He didn't have to yell per se, but he didn't address it. Right now, no. I'm going to wait and see if he does anything else, since I'm not familiar with his town meta. Right now, SL isn't looking good to me either but it's not for lack of posting, he says he has no scum target, but I'm not sure why he's not trying to find one. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:20 Vivax wrote: Unless it got deleted for some reason I will have to find it in my filter Top of page 13, unfiltered. | ||
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I don't understand the Lian townread and HF scumread, I don't understand what behaviours make HF scum from what I've seen so far. Lian jumped from scumreading SL without an explanation and then a gut read on Geript (now Slam) because he was replacing out. HF wasn't ignoring Marv. I think this appears taken out of context. Even HF said "undecided as of yet." Too many associative reads this early, just isn't good. | ||
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On January 20 2015 22:28 marvellosity wrote: lian townread Vivax before the main Vivax-vomit. Thought he was still in thread, but guess not, since Vivax's stuff was about 10 minutes afterwards. | ||
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Lian also looks bad because he appears to be jumping from person to person. He's jumped from scumreading SL, to scumreading Geript for replacing out, and didn't specify why he thinks Vivax is town. | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote: so bm. im not convinced on HF, all his posts so far have not been really thought out. Like he comes in and comments on the latest thing. You sure about this, Oats? What did you think about his push on Wile? | ||
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Catching up, sidestepping HF when he did has made him look even worse. Oats on the other hand has since picked it up though and same with Marv. | ||
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When you tunnelled me, and people started placing their votes, I specifically called out on the fact that later on I would be forced to keep my vote on VA to save myself. Your points on me are all taking what I am doing out of context. I wasn't giving Oats ANY excuse, at that time, agreeing with HF on why he deserved my vote. For Lian, I was pointing out a potential double standard in Kels' thinking since those two are the same timezone. And I wasn't defending your pressure at all. Lian didn't think you posted at all, that is not the same as defending what you did, only that it existed. | ||
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Lian - he called out SL, but then tried to scumread Geript for replacing out and then his read on Vivax was also out of nowhere prior to Vivax's large case. Bats - generally I've found him a hard read, but what I've noticed this game is that besides a 50/50 read on Kelsier, he's not said too much. Vivax - I couldn't follow the read progression from him townreading SL to then all of a sudden sheeping you two. | ||
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Still, I feel the most strongly about SL. | ||
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On January 21 2015 01:37 Holyflare wrote: are you not going to comment on the kelstrap? Like I said, the Marv and Lian points were the first thing that came to my mind because I was somewhat involved with those. I didn't filter dive the thread. | ||
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HF, to answer your previous question, Lian's moving to a Geript lynch is scummy because it was for him replacing out. He didn't comment on Geript's gameplay for scumreading him. | ||
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On January 21 2015 04:53 marvellosity wrote: I think lian looks kinda terrible for not contributing today. To expand upon this, his posting in NYE Party was a lot more substantial than it is in this game. Which is why I expected more from what he posted. | ||
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On January 21 2015 03:56 marvellosity wrote: Typical woman eh? *hides* Just stumbled upon this... Damn you Marv  | ||
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I thought HF's initial push was well thought out, since he appeared to take it logically point by point. | ||
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On January 21 2015 08:41 liancourt wrote: You took that seriously? I couldn't tell by the way you said it. | ||
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On January 21 2015 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote: hey lets lynch bats. First time I think you've mentioned him. Why? | ||
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On January 21 2015 22:03 batsnacks wrote: Apparently vivax was crazy in Imperial Mafia as scum but I can't verify that cause I was lynched d1. Marv was talking about it though. Vivax wasn't scum in Imperial, but he might have been crazy towards lylo. The scumteam was Marv, Art, Superbia, Rit and Damdred. | ||
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On January 21 2015 22:10 Koshi wrote: Can you please impress me with your wisdom. I did not play in Imperial but was a shadow for the scum. My following of the game fell off towards late game, but at the end, I just remember Vivax posting a little more frantically as he was trying to figure out the game towards the end. He was probably on the wrong track since, in the post-game I recall Artanis trying to correct him on how he could play better. | ||
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On January 21 2015 22:31 Koshi wrote: From where I am standing you are asking some minor questions to people without any follow up and without any cause. Just asking random questions that look like scumhunting. Do I have the wrong impression? And if I have the wrong impression. What are you doing? I am talking about things like this: This is the only thing I find in your filter that somewhat looks like you trying to figure out lian his alignment. After that you just got lian as "possible scum". But the problem I have with this line of yours is that you are not convincing me why lian is scum. Can you explain this to somebody who wasn't around? Why does it make Lian scum because he didn't read something Vivax wrote but called him town? Koshi, I misunderstood. I've been reading and re-reading filters, and such, and trying to poke holes where I can find them. I'm having a tough time with some of the reads, admittedly. My argument that I had on Lian was not just the Vivax read, it was other reads. He mentioned SL, on the basis of a policy lynch. He mentioned Geript as scum for replacing out, which to me seemed random at best and he didn't explain Geript's gameplay, nor was there anything in Geripts filter that indicated that. Alakaslam and I questioned him on that last night, and he was like "you took that seriously?" Both of us had. And finally as I said before, when pressed as to why he's doing nothing, he explained more or less along the lines of "this is the meta I want to play". Regarding the recent point on my scum meta, I was a lot more active as scum. | ||
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On January 21 2015 23:17 Koshi wrote: So you misunderstood that whole thing you initially read lian scum for? That makes me sad. No, I misunderstood that you were asking me about this game and not Imperial. | ||
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One example I cited earlier was VA for instance, in the last game I voted him because he wasn't solving the game, and he was lynched (as town) out of the game. The defence for him was that his D1 meta, he will not do work D1. This game, it's the same issue. Is he hiding behind his D1 meta, who's to know? | ||
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On January 21 2015 23:21 Koshi wrote: Can you then explain to me why lian is mafia for saying Vivax is town while not reading what Vivax wrote. I don't get that point at all. It's not that point alone. It's the aggregate, when you consider that he's not reading the thread for his scumreads. When he first enters, Lian says "did SL even post" when SL posted on three pages. That's another instance. Him throwing Vivax's name the way he had for the others further supports the fact that he's not reading the thread. | ||
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On January 21 2015 23:38 Koshi wrote: Is it impossible that he thought Vivax was town? Vivax had 20 posts before lian made this post. Why can't lian have read those 20 posts and decided Vivax was town? I read those 20 posts and they aren't terrible. Impossible, no, unlikely, yes. In his game where he was more cohesive, he actually demonstrated it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=liancourt | ||
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{quote]What this means is that when she is "scum hunting" and someone brings up an event that incriminates her target , which she "doesn't remember" rather than ask me about it or question that it happened. She just agrees with me and says "oh yeh that aswell" To me that is a scum mentallity.[/quote] Sicklucker was my target at the time, not Damdred, so of course, I recalled the points I was most involved with, which were the ones on Lian and Marv. Also I think the second case on me was a meta case, which Damdred just disproved on the previous page, and as I said before, more active as scum. | ||
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What this means is that when she is "scum hunting" and someone brings up an event that incriminates her target , which she "doesn't remember" rather than ask me about it or question that it happened. She just agrees with me and says "oh yeh that aswell" To me that is a scum mentallity. | ||
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On January 20 2015 09:01 Half the Sky wrote: Right now, SL isn't looking good to me either but it's not for lack of posting, he says he has no scum target, but I'm not sure why he's not trying to find one. | ||
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On January 22 2015 01:19 KelsierSC wrote: now it's because she thought I was talking about damdred as scum...wtf Kelsier... On January 21 2015 19:31 KelsierSC wrote: What this means is that when she is "scum hunting" and someone brings up an event that incriminates her target , which she "doesn't remember" rather than ask me about it or question that it happened. She just agrees with me and says "oh yeh that aswell" To me that is a scum mentallity Then why did you phrase it that way? I remembered Sicklucker, I was scumreading him. Damdred wasn't my target. | ||
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On January 22 2015 02:38 Koshi wrote: Or show me you will be useful tomorrow. What do you think about my scumpool? Koshi, will do, will do my best. As for your scumpool, obviously I voted Lian. Slam is generally someone I try not to read D1, he falls into the same category as VA, do I know if he's hiding behind a meta or not? In Carol, if I recall right people tried to read him D1 and were criticised for it. Wile, I obviously don't know him, so from what I recall at face value, he has answered questions from HF and he seems to have asked some questions of people. He looked okay to me. Oats looked okay to me until he threw out Bats' name, and again didn't explain why. Then his thing on Vivax. I questioned him on why he wanted to lynch Bats, but I don't recall a response. If he did, I missed it. | ||
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On January 22 2015 02:40 KelsierSC wrote: what do you mean why did I phrase it that way. Kels, I quoted the last section of your case, but since you responded... On January 22 2015 02:40 KelsierSC wrote: so clearly you knew i was talking about SL dodging a question damdred, you agreed with me. But that question never existed. We went through this. Did I recall? No. Did I assume? Yes. Do you really think I was going to argue or even comment on a point I didn't recall? Again, I recalled the points I was involved with, Marv and Lian. | ||
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On January 22 2015 02:46 Koshi wrote: Can you answer more dangerously. This is all pretty boring. Alright, disregarding meta, then. Lian, I already explained. Scumread. Slam did press Lian and threatened to vote him if he dodged questions. On this alone, I'd townread him but that's about all he has done. VA, disregarding meta, I'd scumread since he's not doing anything. Random votes Slam. Is he hiding behind meta? I don't know. Wile is a null. Answered questions from HF, did do some probing of people in the game, he did ask me some questions. Nothing has stuck out as scumlike. Oats appeared his usual self until the call for the Bats lynch and the push on Vivax. Those two actions would have me scumread him. | ||
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On January 22 2015 02:53 KelsierSC wrote: ok but in what fucking universe is it a good mentality when someone calls out someone on something you don't remember, and rather than question it or argue you just agree with me? Kels, maybe my understanding of English is different but not arguing a point with you does not mean I'm agreeing with you. Have you considered that some people may not question something because they feel what they already have in front of them is enough? | ||
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On January 22 2015 03:05 KelsierSC wrote: hmm that's weird because I don't remember there being a question on Dam. [/QUOTE] Again Kels, it goes to how you phrased your question: On January 21 2015 01:25 KelsierSC wrote: you didn't mention him dodging the question about damd? that felt like a big sidestep | ||
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On January 22 2015 04:54 Vivax wrote: Now instead of helping him push the lynch, you try to talk to him about Slam and Vayne. I strongly smell a bus here. Vivax, I was answering Koshi's question to me about his scumpool. His scumpool contained Slam in it. He told me that Slam and Vayne were playing different games so that was in my response. Yes, Lian is my top lynch, he was a scumread. | ||
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On January 22 2015 04:51 KelsierSC wrote: I think he's been pretty active since he got pinged out. I like some of the stuff he said. Also you look at dam and hts just jumping onto the wagon and they are both scummy to me. Especially the way hts did it. Context please. Damdred isn't even on a wagon, you just called him for wasting his vote. Lian is a scumread of mine, which justifies the switch, and Koshi is pushing to consolidate votes. | ||
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I've played one game where he was scum (Carol) and if I recall right in that game he might have been misleading and was eventually caught out D2. Vivax you were in that game too, not sure how much you remember. Bats called him once for being out of context in this game, but it was not to the level it was in Carol. I'm inclined to say leaning town. Nine-page filter, so might need to keep digging harder. | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:16 KelsierSC wrote: Carol I called everyone town, got called out d1 then got knocked out in the shower. Ehhh, you didn't, but I digress. Trfel's case on you was D2, but meh. On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote: Hello, back to the thread and reading through now. Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test. viv then goes on to say that I didn't follow up on ff, This is completely false (additional quotes deleted for brevity) I pointed out flaws in his logic and have asked follow up questions which he hasn't answered yet. I have called ff one of my scum so saying I don't provide info or follow up is false. The final point of me being scum is that I am curious about people who town read slam, but don't provide the information. Well I noticed nb called him town quite early and that again made me sit up, but then dam did it aswell and I think rasputin did it and I have both of them town so perhbaps the heuristic isn't that useful, again I didn't make a post saying "actually guys I didn't get information off of people calling slam town" I just gave my town reads. Again people say I have fluffy , one liner reads are completely misrepresenting my play. I have explained all my reads if you are unsure you can ask me about it in more detail, no one has actually asked me to do that apart from getting me to explain my bs read, they just falsely accuse me. Anyway having put to bed all those arguments I am going to add a few people to my town circle and then start deciding who I want to lynch. I'm going to add Lonemeow to the town circle for d1, I like his analysis of the d1 wagon on NB, he looked at the people voting and how they voted and it made him uncomfortable with the lynch, the post felt town. He also reads ff as pretty scummy and I like that read a lot. So my town circle contains. hf,bats,dam,templar,xat,kit,koshi,lonemeow,rasp, It is possible that X in my circle finds Y scummy but Z in my circle finds Y town. Yeh town can have different opinions. But these people have projected town to me and I am happy going forward. My main scum reads are FF, NB, hts, LS and Kush questions, comments go ahead. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote: Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC. The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with: This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny. Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read. This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like? KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance. KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation. Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis. His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced. Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all. The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself. In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else. Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare. | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:38 KelsierSC wrote: so you scum read vivax and townread me but now you decide to softly throw scum on me once I start calling you out. can we lynch hts already. First, I said before my scum read was a weak read. Vivax asked me a question to help him come up with a read on you. I responded. If someone brings something up, I'm going to examine it. If Vivax is taking things out of context I will actually have further reason to scumread him. If you have a problem with his read or his case, defend yourself. It's that simple. | ||
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Based on my latest scumreads, the ones that Koshi asked, I would go for Lian, possibly Oats. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:15 Holyflare wrote: we're killing hts, you should be voting with me Because? | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:26 Koshi wrote: HTS is back to asking questions I don't know where they are leading her to. The scumhunting doesn't stop, there is more than one scum in this game. Doesn't mean I can't still push whom I want lynched. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:27 Holyflare wrote: boring play, scum reads only on people that are afk that haven't really been updated all game, only replying to questions and not really doing any positive digging herself probably mafia and gets my vote + gets info for other people Boring play? Sorry I don't have a "sparkling" personality or whatever you deem worthy of being in this game. I already explained to Koshi where I'm having trouble getting decent reads on some people. Replying to questions has been taking up most of my time aside from reading filters because I'm getting so many of them. Context please. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:34 Holyflare wrote: This is specifically what i'm talking about, you aren't interested in finding things out more than replying to people's questions about what you think instead. We're back at square one. I have been trying. How does the above make me any different/worse than say, Oats/Lian, even Bats? | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:44 Holyflare wrote: like literally i bring up hts and everyone fleeeeees the thread after saying they wouldn't mind lynching her your top town kelsier and your other top town hf are on her, that should be enough In case you missed it Holyflare: On January 22 2015 07:36 Half the Sky wrote: HF, you've played games with me, what, twice? Others have had more experience. Reads are going to be different. People had stronger reads on other people. And you're saying all that makes me, or ANY person, mafia? | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:46 Holyflare wrote: absolutely not, vote hts and I don't even care if you have a town read on her just do it Why are you coaxing someone to vote any town read? Maybe Koshi had a point asking how mafia you were. | ||
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The question needs repeating: HOW SCUM ARE YOU!!?!?!??!? | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: i don't care if you like it or not at all it's what I always do when I have a lynch that I want Funny that, Holyflare, you are the one who said post-game Carol that people needed to be right and convincing. You berated Liancourt for pissing 4 cycles for the way he was browbeating and now FUNNY THAT YOU ARE DOING THE SAME BLOODY THING. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote: i literally do not care Again, back at square one. You did not care as of an hour ago. Why do you suddenly care now? | ||
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And, Holyflare, just stop. You want to scum read me, fine. Your rhetoric in doing so is absolutely ridiculous considering what you've said before. (Sidenote: What film is that from?) | ||
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On January 22 2015 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Thats not a point 2. That doesnt make me scum at all?!? It was never meant as a discussion point 3. Thats not true. 4. I have no idea what you are smoking cause thats also not true 5. Clearly I think you are scum and the second part of that is a non point. 6. This is so general that you could apply it to half the people in the game, so clearly that doesnt make me scum either. To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere. On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum. On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around. Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly. On January 21 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote: First time I think you've mentioned him. Why? I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you. | ||
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On January 23 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote: Did anyone read my vote stuff with the Kelsier + HF * Oats theory? I'm scumreading Oats for other reasons, the hole in your argument is that Oats had to vote Damdred way early since his EoD is too early I think. Checked the voting thread, he voted about 9h prior to EoD. Page 3 of his filter shows a 10h gap between posts, next post about an hour after EoD. | ||
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On January 23 2015 02:24 KelsierSC wrote: Hts dont know I I saw your answer. Can you explain why you townread SL later on after scum reading him earlier? I didn't. I switched to Lian, because I felt more strongly about him. SL does post erratically but he can do this as either alignment. | ||
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On January 23 2015 02:32 KelsierSC wrote: Again I'm kind of curious what changed for you then Early on I scumread SL because he posting something along the line of him having no scumreads and I said he should find one. There was the dodging which HF called him on. Later on, he was posting more and I was able to follow his thinking and what he felt on his scumreads. Particularly towards EoD, he was pushing Lian, but that was obviously after I had switched votes. | ||
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On January 23 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote: But thanks, very kind of you. Unless you're scum and just want to buddy me up. If you're referring to me, it should be NAI. If someone acknowledges an RL issue, I say it regardless. You will notice when Marv left the game, I did the same. | ||
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You asked him for scumreads. He threw out a list. Your thoughts on that list, and how he threw it out? | ||
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HF is likely scum just by the way he comes in like that close to EoD. Like how he just came in Carol and posted that case on his reads close to EoD. Other wagons, when I do vote analysis I usually pay attention to the isolated (one-vote) and the 2 leading wagons. Given the shifting in the votes, you have Sicklucker who had to save himself, so that in of itself is NAI. Vivax sheeped Koshi, who was admittedly pushing a policy vote. Does Vivax normally sheep? He had RL issues that impeded his ability to play D1, so on that, I'm inclined to give him the BOTD. Koshi was trying to solve the game earlier and he admitted the lian vote was policy on his end and he did push that. So I'd say Koshi is town. That brings me back to Sicklucker. Oats I have already said is suspect for other reasons. I can't hold the vote in of itself against him based on when he voted relative to EoD. But that obviously doesn't clear him. | ||
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On January 22 2015 00:02 Damdred wrote: Just off the top of my head without looing back that SL is scummy and takes a ton of stuff out of context, and lian is suspect for the way hes going after things | ||
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As for you having read your filter you are all over the place. I don't know if you are normally like this, another sicklucker for instance, You appeared to be scumreading SL, but between the way you were going all out on everyone and trying to get people to vote for him, it didn't appear to me you were pushing him as hard as you could have. Bats threw out what I felt was a 50/50 vote on Kelsier and then if I recall right, pushed SL, so I'm inclined to think he's leaning town. His activity has been impeded by RL though. | ||
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On January 23 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote: Got date night with me fiancee tonight. She said yes after 4 years. Might be around for nk dont know Congrats Kels! | ||
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On January 23 2015 03:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Va voted for slam. Not SL. It's still a wasted vote. My contention with him in general is he's one of those "fuck D1 players" and him hiding behind his meta...we're obviously past D1, and he comes out throwing Bats' name out there with no reason. My only game with VA was where he was lynched D1, thus I was hesitant to do it again. If anyone here has experience with VA AFTER D1, please elaborate on whether he picks his game up. Because as of now he has not. | ||
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On January 23 2015 03:45 sicklucker wrote: Htf your still scum reading me right? Yes, leaning scum. | ||
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Also posted my thoughts on SL earlier, esp in response to Kelsier. | ||
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On January 23 2015 03:51 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Then why on earth aren't you hardcore townreading me and bats? Voting is PART of my analysis. I am also taking other actions into account. Like I said, I thought Bats' vote on KSC earlier was 50/50. | ||
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On January 23 2015 03:52 Holyflare wrote: oh wait you're scum reading sl?? On January 23 2015 02:40 Half the Sky wrote: To clarify for Kels, the early gameplay is still leaning in my head. I said before he can post erratically as any alignment, which is why I'm not townreading him. | ||
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On January 23 2015 03:52 Holyflare wrote: I think it's pretty egregious that you even compare me returning at eod in carol where I was mafia and BEING LYNCHED to returning here when I wasn't being lynched, already explained why I was afk and a towny was being voted. The alternate being your TOWN READ SL. So apparently you're saying that me returning at deadline is mafiaish because I wanted to push the wagon off of a confirmed town and your town read onto you? When I already said i was demotivated which you have thrown out the window despite accepting everyone elses afk reason claims (but conveniently not mine)????? Does not compute. Holyflare, what you did to me in Carol was opportunistic, and it's the same thing here. That is what I was driving at. | ||
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Oats throwing scumreads without explanation and his defence to Damdred was poor. You, obviously because of how you didn't care and you just came in EoD and did your thing. Damdred called me scum for resisting the lynch. That shouldn't be alignment indicative since anyone should want to try and save themselves, although I don't understand how he didn't consolidate onto Lian. He seemed apathetic but I couldn't get anything conclusive from that. SL I explained I didnt' like him earlier. Erratic yes, but that doesn't mean I was completely lost on the guy's filter. I explained on the voting thing that one of us on the Lian wagon had to be scum. His switch to Lian was to save himself, but he did express a desire to hammer me. Damdred is a weaker read and there's still a very real possibility #3 could be VA, but can't really conclude yet. | ||
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That said, seeing as Holyflare is dead, flipped VT, it looks like I need to reassess what is happening in this game. I'm starting to feel that at least 1, MAYBE 2 mafia are sitting back and letting us sort each other out to our detriment. I say this based on precedence. In Student Mafia IV, Meat was the lurker. In Carol, it was Oats. In Newbie LX, Gumdrop did jack all and was eventually replaced. Holyflare's death gives credence that there's one lurker in this bunch this game. Someone is just content to sit it out whilst we're all trying to sort it out. Certainly not the entire team, but definitely one. I realise I've been criticised looking at lurkers but now thinking more, some of this does need examined more closely. I see Slam's been brought up by a few. Though I had tried to avoid reading Slam before as he's been hard to read, Koshi has since brought this up on reading Slam: On January 21 2015 19:17 Koshi wrote: Chupazi reading goes like this: 1) Does he makes himself readable. If No, ignore the Chupazi. If yes, go to step 2. 2) Does his filter make him confirmed town because it is filled with happy eagerness. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, go to step 3. 3) Does the Chupazi want to die when pressured to advance town forward. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, FUCKING CONSIDER THE CHUPAZI TO BE SCUM. So I consider the Chupazi to be scum. The Chupazi got thread sentiment going in his favor. It's odd. But maybe he is town. Who knows. Just don't tell me he can't be lynched D1 because you are wrong. I saw the exchange where Koshi did push him after he voted. After that exchange I run into this. On January 21 2015 14:19 Alakaslam wrote: I mean I will be able to help with PoE but ultimately I am not the best one to be pushing a lynch hey Which lends some credence to the sitting back theory. As of late three more posts in the thread, but no thoughts. (Sidenote: Koshi, if you are here, or someone, could you please explain to me what Chupazi is? Is this significant, or him mentioning Chupazi significant, to reading him?) VayneAuthority - Did not want to scumread him based on D1 meta. Wasted his vote. Now we're in D2 and he is scumreading Slam and Bats, but no idea why he's doing so. Now I see that he's sheeped the vote on me. Blending in? On January 23 2015 09:36 VayneAuthority wrote: slam/bats/dunno yet. I shall write something on bats later tonight, slam does not require any thought as its useless. just know that its important to lynch him and its likely hes scum. If you feel so strong on Bats, where is that case on Bats? Speaking of Bats, he'd fall into the lurker category as well, however, I think he's a longshot to be scum based on his pushing SL. I don't know his scum meta either. Oatsmaster, again, is the one I'm feeling most strongly on. Not as lurkish/inactive as the others Vivax and I had called him out on separate points, which he has yet to answer to. I think he accused Vivax of misreading, but I cannot see where this was resolved. In my case, he was throwing out names, and again, his defence to Damdred's case was poor. On January 23 2015 02:11 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding Oats, To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere. On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum. On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around. Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly. I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you. I will discuss the more active folks in a separate post. | ||
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(Sidenote: Koshi, if you are here, or someone, could you please explain to me what Chupazi is? Is this significant, or him mentioning Chupazi significant, to reading him?) | ||
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On January 23 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: Chupazis are vultures that vomit. So this has nothing to do with his gameplay or someone he's trying to emulate? | ||
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"in the way of the Chupazi".....so in spurts then, I take it. Alright. Cheers for the clarification. | ||
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I don't want to make associative reads, since I'm not a fan of that, although vote analysis could help with that to some extent. | ||
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The one point that sticks out at me as scumlike is him sheeping Koshi's vote on Liancourt. And then if I recall correctly he turns around and accuses Koshi of being scum in his VCA. I found this odd. This is off-the-cuff and I need to look further into why he did that. On January 23 2015 08:20 Vivax wrote: VA in cursive font cause he's an idiot, but probably a town idiot. Don't mind me on the liancourt wagon as I'm a sick guy who was on prescribed drugs and got fooled by sheeping Koshi. People on SL are town heroes. People on HTS are town heroes. Oats probably just the usual dumb town Oats are this point, might have to check later. Now, we need to figure out what all those marv votes mean. Cause they mean he was bussing on two instances (SL and HTS) before replacing out. | ||
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On January 24 2015 01:20 Alakaslam wrote: What? I am voting SL I can't answer that question That was directed at VA - why vote me when you and Bats are on his scumlist. | ||
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First impression through page 3 - a lot of sarcasm, but I take that as a tone read, tone reads are weak for a player that I've not played with before (to my knowledge, though he is a smurf). So his tone to me is NAI. He's flinging a lot of comments around though, and that alone makes me think he's scum because he's trying to clutter things up. Later on he does push people, so I need to look more into that to get something more conclusive. | ||
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Will continue looking into Wile over dinner. At page 6, and I'm seeing a lot of the same. 50% editorial comments, 50% questions trying to gather information. There's an indication through page 6 he might have one scumread, but I'm not following what his scumreads are through page 6. To be continued... | ||
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On January 24 2015 01:47 Alakaslam wrote: Koshi is playing to sarcastic convenience. Whilst being at it, can you please explain? He looks to me he's trying to solve the game. His standard of asking questions was much like how he asked in Carol. You're voting him on a tone read? I'm not a native English speaker so it might be a weakness on my end. But I am not interpreting any malicious intent from anything Koshi is saying. | ||
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First sign of trouble/scumlike behaviour - he's saying push Sicklucker (page 6 of filter) and then he suggests a list of people on a scum basis that does NOT include Sicklucker though he thinks it's debatable on him getting lynched. (Note that he says VA is policy, so everyone else he's scumreading) On January 22 2015 06:02 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I still have no idea why you don't want to lynch Sicklucker. Am I dumb? On January 22 2015 06:15 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Debatable. I would probably lynch one of these people then: VA/HTS/Lian/Oats/Damdred. Although VA would basically be a policy lynch. Now, from what I can see he's made no mention of myself/Lian/Oats/Damdred prior to page six of his filter. On page 7, HF pushes me, and then Wile says this: On January 22 2015 07:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote: That's fine. But you need to show me why she is mafia first. So Wile puts me on a scumlist and wants HF to explain why I'm mafia. I would expect this if Wile is scumreading HF, but from the quoted on page 6, he's not. HF wasn't in his scumlist. Post-lynch, it would have gone a long way to see VCA from him, but he didn't do this. This guy could very possibly be the scum on the D1 Sicklucker wagon if there is one. | ||
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On January 24 2015 03:49 Koshi wrote: HTS scum. Hmm. Somewhere I remember playing a game with her. But I don't remember her at all. I am going to be sad if Vivax is scum. Carol. You were NKed N1. What do you think of Vivax sheeping you and then calling you scum for voting Lian? Looking into SL and Damdred atm... | ||
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So far, Damdred is looking mostly okay through D1 lynch, though I find his VCA confusing, and I'm going to look into that further when I return. I'm also trying to sort out where his read of Lian changed before he started pushing Slam and Oats, because I thought he was scumreading Lian (and I'd scumread him for that prior to pushing Slam and Oats). Damdred is showing a bit of apathy in this game. However, I am cohosting the other game he is in. He is showing some apathy in that game too. I am assuming maybe he's just bored in general, so I am considering this attitude for now, NAI. JAT is looking bad to me as it stands, disregarding meta of course as I've never played with him. If another veteran can elaborate on how a mafia JAT plays, I'd appreciate it. And of course, I need to take yet another look at Sicklucker... | ||
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My top lynch list at this point, will continue researching though: 1 JAT 2 Oats 3 VA I'll just do it now actually. If further research warrants a change, will change with explanation. ##unvote ##vote JAT | ||
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On January 24 2015 23:53 Koshi wrote: I will lynch you with regret. Not your fault. 4 of them AFK voted, 3 sheep voted and a 5th doesn't seem to give a shit from what I'm reading. I'm pretty infuriated as to why people are playing like this, regardless of whom is getting lynched. Kelsier and SL are the only two that are appearing to actually scumread me. | ||
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On January 25 2015 03:03 Koshi wrote: HTS, Why did you ignore SL completely when he made that case on you? Instead you put him in a scumlist because he didn't scumhunt? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2015 01:31 Half the Sky wrote: SL - in general, not scum hunting Lian - he called out SL, but then tried to scumread Geript for replacing out and then his read on Vivax was also out of nowhere prior to Vivax's large case. Bats - generally I've found him a hard read, but what I've noticed this game is that besides a 50/50 read on Kelsier, he's not said too much. Vivax - I couldn't follow the read progression from him townreading SL to then all of a sudden sheeping you two. bit odd. IIRC, that was an off the cuff response to what HF asked me point blank, typed the key points that I recalled. Did not filter dive for those responses. | ||
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On January 25 2015 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Why am I scum hts? Posted the case(s) on you twice over though you had yet to respond to it...but obviously since you aren't reading... | ||
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On January 23 2015 02:11 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding Oats, To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere. On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum. On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around. Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly. I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you. | ||
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I am ignoring his tone but because he's posting so often the way he is it is also appearing he's trying to clutter the damn thread. Again, bear in mind I have never played with JAT ever, so if you think there's a meta point I'm missing, fill me in, please. | ||
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On January 25 2015 03:37 sicklucker wrote: Sup guys things seem to be going good. some people are looking more town which is always good but this is an auto lynch that has to happen. Game starts again tormorow Why? If you're scum, you want to be one more lynch closer to lylo? Is that it? | ||
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On January 25 2015 03:48 Vivax wrote: We're voting HTS. I'm sheeping HF on this one. Not feeling like playing more atm. Just kill her cause HF died. Again, if you're scum, you want to be one more lynch closer to lylo, is that it? You sheeped Koshi yesterday. Mislynch. (yes I was also on that wagon, but I at least presented reasons, ditto for Koshi). You're sheeping HF today. Second mislynch. Yeah...right. HF was town. Doesn't mean he's accurate. | ||
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Why don't you explain why you think three mafia could be on the same damn wagon D1? | ||
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Cheers Artanis and GlowingBear for hosting and again, a beautifully written storyline Artanis. I’ll see everyone post-game. Much <3 | ||
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<3 JAT and SL. I'm very sorry for dismal play early game and for putting you two on pins and needles. Well done. Vivax credit to you for soldiering on. I hope things get better for you IRL soon. | ||
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Again amazing work on the story. | ||
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On February 03 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: You are welcome. I should have bussed the fuck out of you day1 but I couldn't get myself to do it. And had I known how stressed you were I would have had even more problems with it. That was my own fault. I was dealing with RL issues, including health admittedly at the time and that completely messed things up for me. We were a team and especially as the weakest player I'll never have a problem being sacrificed if it means victory. | ||
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On February 03 2015 08:44 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh unfortunately hts played scummy too and split the vote At least I did something right this game. *shrug* | ||
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