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On January 25 2015 02:50 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 02:21 Damdred wrote:
Maybe so, but HTS has given us a lot of information today even if she does flip scum which I don't find likely given with the state of the votes currently. Shes a good scum player so I don't see her given us that much information.
And that's a bit to omgus for me VA, while its an unlikely pairing I don't think its alignment indicative to think that. I think you missed the point, a scum team consisting of me and alakaslam makes little sense. why the hell would we talk to eachother at night randomly and call eachother scum if we dont have to? its an asinine scumteam that is not in touch with the game
Could say the same thing about a lot of scum teams that's proposed like HTS, Koshi, Damdred or HTS, Damdred X. I don't think a lot of scum teams proposed here have a really solid founding and I hate associative reads. But I do see your point here.
I'm ok with people lynching HTS but I don't like the lynch or want to be on that lynch and the thread won't listen to me at this point anyway.
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Actually I can see vivax being scum here...
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Vivax why has your play fallen off so much in day two compared to day one? You really haven't done much today?
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On January 25 2015 04:00 sicklucker wrote:
Im always voting hts. But we gain no info from a landslide vote so I dont mind dandreds efforts here
Why don't you talk to me SL, I know you want to kill vivax. Can you explain to me why you want to?
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Sadly it might be better for town if HTS is town if she dies here meh, just to get town back on the right track. Even if HTS is doing the legwork and is doing the right things.
Moving on, Vivax is one of the scum this game I believe.
Day one he was super active, but a lot of what he pursued did not help town really catch scum. Very early on he started analyzing things before there was anything really to analyze. He was looking like he was doing things without actually having need to do them, his reasoning was not sound and many attributed this to him being sick or it being to early. As time went on however, he continued down this track and instead of it helping town it caused a few fights and town to actually get off track and really cluttered up the thread so that things didn't have a steady progression.
After this instead of pushing his own lynch, he laid back and sheeped Koshi onto lian and just went away. While its plausible he was sick and just didn't care this usually isn't town Vivax way of doing things. He will stay around and push a lynch that he wants. Then you look at his n1 and d2 and hes vanished with everything that he has done. Even on dead days (look at imperial mafia) he looks back and finds things to try to spark the thread back to life. He is not doing this here, most of his contributions were weird associative reads that were obviously incorrect. And he has several questionable reads such as koshi being scum even though Vivax sheeped him.
For his fall off (which is a scum trait of his) cluttering up the thread without much real intent, and for the other reasons Vivax is scum and should be voted off.
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On January 25 2015 04:13 KelsierSC wrote:
Dam you keep talking like you know hts is town
I don't know HTS is town, but I feel like that the nk incrimidates HTS especially with HF final words being lynch HTS. HTS goes into today with a noose around her neck and works her ass off even though people disagree with some things she said? That seems incredibly town favored and siding with town. Knows shes going to die but still works, yea feels town to me.
Also Vivax isn't a policy lynch per se, its more of a he showed up to throw his two sense in after his name was mentioned and then vanished. His d2 play has been atrocious compared to his d1, which is 100% his scum game. He falls off the map faster than anyone after d1, look at Storm Mafia 2 he does the same thing activity wise.
How he pushes things is incredibly different and hes acting really really different from imperial. He still has the tin foil hat theories at times but hes not really working or pushing them or really pushing people past a certain point like he was there. This guy is scum.
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Just picked out a few posts that I felt were ok and seemed like actual thought and reading went into them.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2015 03:23 Half the Sky wrote:Back in thread. Koshi, continuing onto Wile's filter. First sign of trouble/scumlike behaviour - he's saying push Sicklucker (page 6 of filter) and then he suggests a list of people on a scum basis that does NOT include Sicklucker though he thinks it's debatable on him getting lynched. (Note that he says VA is policy, so everyone else he's scumreading) Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 06:02 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I still have no idea why you don't want to lynch Sicklucker. Am I dumb? Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 06:15 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 22 2015 06:12 sicklucker wrote:
Wile in this world we live in im not getting lynched. So who do you lynch next? Debatable. I would probably lynch one of these people then: VA/HTS/Lian/Oats/Damdred. Although VA would basically be a policy lynch. Now, from what I can see he's made no mention of myself/Lian/Oats/Damdred prior to page six of his filter. On page 7, HF pushes me, and then Wile says this: Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 07:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 22 2015 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
we vote hts because we vote on mafia, it's just what town people do! That's fine. But you need to show me why she is mafia first. So Wile puts me on a scumlist and wants HF to explain why I'm mafia. I would expect this if Wile is scumreading HF, but from the quoted on page 6, he's not. HF wasn't in his scumlist. Post-lynch, it would have gone a long way to see VCA from him, but he didn't do this. This guy could very possibly be the scum on the D1 Sicklucker wagon if there is one. QUOTE] On January 25 2015 03:37 Half the Sky wrote:I realise Oats is likely asleep at this hour, shame he missed me when I left for Pilates... On January 23 2015 02:11 Half the Sky wrote:Regarding Oats, Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 22 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:
we are lynching Oats today, I will put this in bullet points so that people can follow along
* Oats starts the game off by saying something is bad without any explanation and leaving the game.
* He comes back and defends his view which some agree with and some don't and never draws conclusions from this
* He never explains why he wants to lynch anyone or why he scum reads people
* During fights or arguments he adds fuel to the fire in SLs case he makes it very clear that he thinks SL is lying and heaps more pressure on him.
* Is not voting a scum read but came back said a case on him was bad put his vote down on the person who made the case said it was bad and left without explanation
* is not being controversial but more side lines and flying under the radar, is not scum hunting
Oats is scum vote for him. 1. Thats not a point 2. That doesnt make me scum at all?!? It was never meant as a discussion point 3. Thats not true. 4. I have no idea what you are smoking cause thats also not true 5. Clearly I think you are scum and the second part of that is a non point. 6. This is so general that you could apply it to half the people in the game, so clearly that doesnt make me scum either. To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere. On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum. On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around. Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote:On January 21 2015 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey lets lynch bats. First time I think you've mentioned him. Why? I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you. On January 24 2015 05:11 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm out for date night. Brutal week at work calls for wine, chocolate fondue and the like. Huzzah!
So far, Damdred is looking mostly okay through D1 lynch, though I find his VCA confusing, and I'm going to look into that further when I return. I'm also trying to sort out where his read of Lian changed before he started pushing Slam and Oats, because I thought he was scumreading Lian (and I'd scumread him for that prior to pushing Slam and Oats).
Damdred is showing a bit of apathy in this game. However, I am cohosting the other game he is in. He is showing some apathy in that game too. I am assuming maybe he's just bored in general, so I am considering this attitude for now, NAI.
JAT is looking bad to me as it stands, disregarding meta of course as I've never played with him.
If another veteran can elaborate on how a mafia JAT plays, I'd appreciate it.
And of course, I need to take yet another look at Sicklucker... On January 23 2015 23:54 Half the Sky wrote:I'm here. I would love to be posting a bit more in the mornings EU time, but work this week has been batshit insane. That said, seeing as Holyflare is dead, flipped VT, it looks like I need to reassess what is happening in this game. I'm starting to feel that at least 1, MAYBE 2 mafia are sitting back and letting us sort each other out to our detriment. I say this based on precedence. In Student Mafia IV, Meat was the lurker. In Carol, it was Oats. In Newbie LX, Gumdrop did jack all and was eventually replaced. Holyflare's death gives credence that there's one lurker in this bunch this game. Someone is just content to sit it out whilst we're all trying to sort it out. Certainly not the entire team, but definitely one. I realise I've been criticised looking at lurkers but now thinking more, some of this does need examined more closely. I see Slam's been brought up by a few. Though I had tried to avoid reading Slam before as he's been hard to read, Koshi has since brought this up on reading Slam: Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 19:17 Koshi wrote:
Chupazi reading goes like this:
1) Does he makes himself readable. If No, ignore the Chupazi. If yes, go to step 2.
2) Does his filter make him confirmed town because it is filled with happy eagerness. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, go to step 3.
3) Does the Chupazi want to die when pressured to advance town forward. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, FUCKING CONSIDER THE CHUPAZI TO BE SCUM.
So I consider the Chupazi to be scum. The Chupazi got thread sentiment going in his favor. It's odd. But maybe he is town. Who knows. Just don't tell me he can't be lynched D1 because you are wrong. I saw the exchange where Koshi did push him after he voted. After that exchange I run into this. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 14:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean I will be able to help with PoE but ultimately I am not the best one to be pushing a lynch hey Which lends some credence to the sitting back theory. As of late three more posts in the thread, but no thoughts. (Sidenote: Koshi, if you are here, or someone, could you please explain to me what Chupazi is? Is this significant, or him mentioning Chupazi significant, to reading him?) VayneAuthority - Did not want to scumread him based on D1 meta. Wasted his vote. Now we're in D2 and he is scumreading Slam and Bats, but no idea why he's doing so. Now I see that he's sheeped the vote on me. Blending in? Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 09:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
slam/bats/dunno yet. I shall write something on bats later tonight, slam does not require any thought as its useless. just know that its important to lynch him and its likely hes scum. If you feel so strong on Bats, where is that case on Bats? Speaking of Bats, he'd fall into the lurker category as well, however, I think he's a longshot to be scum based on his pushing SL. I don't know his scum meta either. Oatsmaster, again, is the one I'm feeling most strongly on. Not as lurkish/inactive as the others Vivax and I had called him out on separate points, which he has yet to answer to. I think he accused Vivax of misreading, but I cannot see where this was resolved. In my case, he was throwing out names, and again, his defence to Damdred's case was poor. Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 02:11 Half the Sky wrote:Regarding Oats, On January 22 2015 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 22 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:
we are lynching Oats today, I will put this in bullet points so that people can follow along
* Oats starts the game off by saying something is bad without any explanation and leaving the game.
* He comes back and defends his view which some agree with and some don't and never draws conclusions from this
* He never explains why he wants to lynch anyone or why he scum reads people
* During fights or arguments he adds fuel to the fire in SLs case he makes it very clear that he thinks SL is lying and heaps more pressure on him.
* Is not voting a scum read but came back said a case on him was bad put his vote down on the person who made the case said it was bad and left without explanation
* is not being controversial but more side lines and flying under the radar, is not scum hunting
Oats is scum vote for him. 1. Thats not a point 2. That doesnt make me scum at all?!? It was never meant as a discussion point 3. Thats not true. 4. I have no idea what you are smoking cause thats also not true 5. Clearly I think you are scum and the second part of that is a non point. 6. This is so general that you could apply it to half the people in the game, so clearly that doesnt make me scum either. To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere. On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum. On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around. Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly. On January 21 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote:On January 21 2015 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey lets lynch bats. First time I think you've mentioned him. Why? I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you. I will discuss the more active folks in a separate post.
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That quote reads pretty badly, but context of it is that we shouldn't afk a lynch on HTS because that's what HF wanted. That's really werid that you would put it like that bats
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I'm fine with killing her because it will get town to move on. It sucks but its what it is. I said we shouldn't kill hts based on the night kill.
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What about a vivax and wile team koshi?
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I think that saying koshis case boils down to jat is lazy Scum is a bit of a misrepresentation of what he's saying. And I said some of the same things n1 you really did somewhat undermine the lynch on hrs and then never really pushed Sl again during the night next cycle instead just sheeping hf. When you refused to the previous day, so he has a point.
Doesn't really matter about how many posts doesn't feel like town jat really trying to solve the game.
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Wile do you still think Sl is scum
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This is just how I type. You are over simplifying the case made by Koshi and I can't really remember you pushing Sl that much at night, nor during the lynch d1 just trying to railroad hf case.
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Or, you actually didn't push him as hard as you tried to derail hf push on hts. You think I'm Scum anyway so what's it matter to you?
Kochi has a good point.
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Meh I'll reread jats filter before I go any further on that train.
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SL wanted to kill hts if he switched hts would drop the hammer on him. Its really simple.
Sl what do you think of vaynes post
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I'm coming from Sl is town, hts needs one vote+Sl without Sl wagon gaining one vote before hts gets there first.
Hts would hammer town Sl there to survive another day IDK why you don't see this
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I agree that the scenario does not make Sl town, however I do think Sl is town based on him trying to get hts lynched, but I don't think he's confirmed based on it.
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Right play is any blue ccs here. Or va becomes confirmed
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I'm concerned you guys didn't read the setup per usual. There's only two blue roles so no mass claiming is necessary and if we have another person who's blue means we have vayne as obviously they weren't mod confirmed to each other.
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