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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 20 2015 23:37 GMT
#1011
Lian, you scumread Geript who replaced out for Slam. Why?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 20 2015 23:41 GMT
#1013
To follow up, what are your thoughts on Slam now?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 20 2015 23:42 GMT
#1015
On January 21 2015 08:41 liancourt wrote:
You took that seriously?


I couldn't tell by the way you said it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 20 2015 23:46 GMT
#1019
Also Lian, you threw out a townread on Vivax early on. What do you make of him now, after all he's posted?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 00:36 GMT
#1041
On January 21 2015 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey lets lynch bats.


First time I think you've mentioned him. Why?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 13:09 GMT
#1135
On January 21 2015 22:03 batsnacks wrote:
Apparently vivax was crazy in Imperial Mafia as scum but I can't verify that cause I was lynched d1. Marv was talking about it though.


Vivax wasn't scum in Imperial, but he might have been crazy towards lylo. The scumteam was Marv, Art, Superbia, Rit and Damdred.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 13:14 GMT
#1138
In any instance, I'm not convinced Vivax should go today. My issue with Lian is he's done absolutely nothing, when last game I played with him he was pretty vocal.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 13:21 GMT
#1139
On January 21 2015 22:10 Koshi wrote:
Can you please impress me with your wisdom.


I did not play in Imperial but was a shadow for the scum. My following of the game fell off towards late game, but at the end, I just remember Vivax posting a little more frantically as he was trying to figure out the game towards the end. He was probably on the wrong track since, in the post-game I recall Artanis trying to correct him on how he could play better.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 14:12 GMT
#1153
On January 21 2015 22:31 Koshi wrote:
From where I am standing you are asking some minor questions to people without any follow up and without any cause. Just asking random questions that look like scumhunting.

Do I have the wrong impression? And if I have the wrong impression. What are you doing?

I am talking about things like this:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Lian townread Vivax as well....did he even read what Vivax presented?


This is the only thing I find in your filter that somewhat looks like you trying to figure out lian his alignment. After that you just got lian as "possible scum".

But the problem I have with this line of yours is that you are not convincing me why lian is scum.

Can you explain this to somebody who wasn't around? Why does it make Lian scum because he didn't read something Vivax wrote but called him town?


Koshi, I misunderstood. I've been reading and re-reading filters, and such, and trying to poke holes where I can find them. I'm having a tough time with some of the reads, admittedly.

My argument that I had on Lian was not just the Vivax read, it was other reads. He mentioned SL, on the basis of a policy lynch. He mentioned Geript as scum for replacing out, which to me seemed random at best and he didn't explain Geript's gameplay, nor was there anything in Geripts filter that indicated that. Alakaslam and I questioned him on that last night, and he was like "you took that seriously?" Both of us had. And finally as I said before, when pressed as to why he's doing nothing, he explained more or less along the lines of "this is the meta I want to play".

Regarding the recent point on my scum meta, I was a lot more active as scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 14:20 GMT
#1157
On January 21 2015 23:17 Koshi wrote:
So you misunderstood that whole thing you initially read lian scum for? That makes me sad.


No, I misunderstood that you were asking me about this game and not Imperial.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 14:25 GMT
#1160
Koshi, on the reads, I generally look for people trying to solve the game, I look for indicators that things might be taken out of context, etc. (HF asked me my scum reads and I gave them to him.) Some of the confusion comes from meta too.
One example I cited earlier was VA for instance, in the last game I voted him because he wasn't solving the game, and he was lynched (as town) out of the game. The defence for him was that his D1 meta, he will not do work D1. This game, it's the same issue. Is he hiding behind his D1 meta, who's to know?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 14:29 GMT
#1162
On January 21 2015 23:21 Koshi wrote:
Can you then explain to me why lian is mafia for saying Vivax is town while not reading what Vivax wrote. I don't get that point at all.


It's not that point alone. It's the aggregate, when you consider that he's not reading the thread for his scumreads. When he first enters, Lian says "did SL even post" when SL posted on three pages. That's another instance. Him throwing Vivax's name the way he had for the others further supports the fact that he's not reading the thread.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 15:37 GMT
#1212
On January 21 2015 23:38 Koshi wrote:
Is it impossible that he thought Vivax was town? Vivax had 20 posts before lian made this post. Why can't lian have read those 20 posts and decided Vivax was town?
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 19:24 liancourt wrote:
At least we know vivax is town


I read those 20 posts and they aren't terrible.


Impossible, no, unlikely, yes. In his game where he was more cohesive, he actually demonstrated it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=liancourt
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 15:49 GMT
#1214
That's the thing though, I didn't agree with Kels on what he said on Damdred. The "oh yeah as well" is taking things out of context.

{quote]What this means is that when she is "scum hunting" and someone brings up an event that incriminates her target , which she "doesn't remember" rather than ask me about it or question that it happened. She just agrees with me and says "oh yeh that aswell" To me that is a scum mentallity.[/quote]

Sicklucker was my target at the time, not Damdred, so of course, I recalled the points I was most involved with, which were the ones on Lian and Marv.

Also I think the second case on me was a meta case, which Damdred just disproved on the previous page, and as I said before, more active as scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 15:50 GMT
#1215
EBWOP: Quote fixed.

What this means is that when she is "scum hunting" and someone brings up an event that incriminates her target , which she "doesn't remember" rather than ask me about it or question that it happened. She just agrees with me and says "oh yeh that aswell" To me that is a scum mentallity.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 15:52 GMT
#1218
Also in scumreading Sicklucker earlier on, my initial scumread on him very early on was largely because he was not solving the game.

On January 20 2015 09:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Right now, SL isn't looking good to me either but it's not for lack of posting, he says he has no scum target, but I'm not sure why he's not trying to find one.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 17:28 GMT
#1236
Koshi, Kels mentioned the question on Damdred, I just assumed it existed, but only commented on the points I was more involved with, Lian and Marv. Those two I remembered. I did not say "oh yeah that as well."
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 17:29 GMT
#1237
On January 22 2015 01:19 KelsierSC wrote:
now it's because she thought I was talking about damdred as scum...wtf


Kelsier...

On January 21 2015 19:31 KelsierSC wrote:
What this means is that when she is "scum hunting" and someone brings up an event that incriminates her target , which she "doesn't remember" rather than ask me about it or question that it happened. She just agrees with me and says "oh yeh that aswell" To me that is a scum mentallity


Then why did you phrase it that way? I remembered Sicklucker, I was scumreading him. Damdred wasn't my target.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 17:33 GMT
#1239
Also switched my vote to liancourt, based on what I had said earlier.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 21 2015 17:44 GMT
#1244
On January 22 2015 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 02:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Also switched my vote to liancourt, based on what I had said earlier.

Or show me you will be useful tomorrow.

What do you think about my scumpool?


Koshi, will do, will do my best. As for your scumpool, obviously I voted Lian.

Slam is generally someone I try not to read D1, he falls into the same category as VA, do I know if he's hiding behind a meta or not? In Carol, if I recall right people tried to read him D1 and were criticised for it.

Wile, I obviously don't know him, so from what I recall at face value, he has answered questions from HF and he seems to have asked some questions of people. He looked okay to me.

Oats looked okay to me until he threw out Bats' name, and again didn't explain why. Then his thing on Vivax. I questioned him on why he wanted to lynch Bats, but I don't recall a response. If he did, I missed it.
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