PYP: Pick Your Protoss Mini Mafia

On January 24 2015 20:47 Palmar wrote:
yeah I literally have no clue what's going on.

The game _should_ be started, as the guy in charge is accepting numbers for the queue thing, but he didn't formally announce it. I am going to assume the game has started until told otherwise.

I haven't actually read the roles, do we want to do any of the "assign slots roles" thing?

On January 24 2015 21:27 Superbia wrote:


I'm not that greedy. :D

On January 24 2015 22:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
so 1, 1 is looking like a good pick

On January 25 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote:

yeah it worries me too, I'm waiting for the "Palmar is trying too hard to be town"-brigade.

On January 26 2015 01:18 Onegu wrote:
Also fYI when I thought I was going to get pick five(thanks oats) I found out phoenixs graviton beam can hit non massive flying units.

On January 26 2015 01:41 Palmar wrote:
Slam read my plan.

Oats might be mafia

On January 26 2015 09:12 Superbia wrote:


Oats just seemed to fear monger. Did not interact with Onegu and his logic either. He just said "Palmar's trying hard so he's probably mafia, watch out!". Which may be relevant, but what's his thought process here? He does not come up with a plan on his own, nor does he try to figure out why Palmar's plan may be mafia favored. Is he trying to figure out palmar's alignment/rationale? Doesn't seem like it.

mderg made a comment to half-dispute Oats' question of Palmar's alignment, which I'm inclined to read null at the moment (just the comment). Comment didn't really add anything of worth, but it half-ass defended Palmar, who is sort of town. So whatever.

On January 26 2015 11:00 IAmRobik wrote:
Hi Oats

On January 26 2015 12:08 The Milkman wrote:

He said he is a VT, I have no idea how you assumed he really is VT. If he is a Townie Probe it is more interesting than a plain VT, but we know nothing about him.

On January 25 2015 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

Im scared that Palmar has put more effort into this game than the other ones he has played recently, he actually does want to win as scum more than town so this could be an indicator that hes scum, we better not let him control the game.

On January 26 2015 12:30 The Milkman wrote:


That's quite an overlap. Mafia as you might guess won't go for overlap, so in the groups of 4s, 5s and 7s there is at most 1 Mafia.

On January 26 2015 13:28 The Milkman wrote:

Eh, we just had to be on par with Mafia, they had enough time to discuss important roles, picking order and such, so we needed to make an analysis as well (and make it known). Palmar originally did not understand Warp Prism, the best role for Mafia. We had to make sure we know where it is going in the draft, so we can check the person holding it or at least keep them on the spotlight. The numbers as I have said will tell us more and more as the game goes on. Already we see three groups of the same numbers which tells us there is at most 1 Mafia in each of them. I do not agree with Oats that Mafia coincide with their picks. That's just sub-par play. Having a number and a high place in the queue does not make you Mafia although having a number that one person or two (sic!) makes you less likely to be Mafia on the account that it is sub-optimal to go for the same number as Mafia.

On January 26 2015 13:41 The Milkman wrote:

Yeah, my memory sucks.
Still I think it's better not to coincide, especially because this game has roles with sharp distinction of their usage pretty muich.

On January 26 2015 13:51 The Milkman wrote:

But Mafia's first agenda in PYP is to create a number picking strategy. It is not a stretch to say they'll try to put one guy as high as they can and then aim for some kind of mediocrity. I don't understand why you wan't to delegitimize analysis of Draft, numbers and picks.

On January 26 2015 13:54 The Milkman wrote:
Adding to that: Mafia in this game can get A LOT of additional KP. Basically, they can enforce Armageddon on N2 with good enough picks and given they're not carelessly caught on D1/D2. So them getting good picks and then getting powerful roles is just freaking terrible.

On January 26 2015 14:20 The Milkman wrote:

I don't like Obi, too much going on with his plans and he did not yet say if he conformed to Palmar's plan.
Robik got only 'active' after role picking was close, the disinterest in planning phase is worrying at best.
Marvellosity seems disinterested and did not really contest Palmar, which is weird. At one point he is like "directing roles, revealing numbers is very good for town" and then he goes to hide his number.
I expect that things will be more lively tomorrow, everybody seems to be enjoying their weekend or something.

On January 26 2015 18:09 The Milkman wrote:
I was the one putting the plan forward Palmar, I was first. I was talking about the roles. I was saying which ones should be picked or not. I landed on 9th, I said to myself that I won't probably get a strong town role and I might as well pick something that is hard to kill during the night and if not (this is something that you omit! 2 armor and massive give great night survivability, for which Mafia does not need to care!) , I gain important information that in the eight of people above me this role sits.
I'll say that again: I was first to acknowledge that Carrier is Mafia role, I was first to acknowledge that Warp Prism is the most Mafia role. I don't care about what read people had on me before the pick. I could've not claimed and I would not be lynched. Why would I claim then? I knew what I was undertaking. I honestly thought Carrier would be gone. I just wanted to know where it landed approximately, of course.
I won't send interceptors. Moment somebody claims you lynch me, confirm me as Town and lynch the liar. It doesn't take a big brain to know that I should send them as fast as possible! But what if I am part of Mafia and I claimed Carrier, but some other guy actually has it? Well, nobody said that they gunned for Carrier in higher positions and I am full of shit, so I guess Carrier was not much of an importance to the Mafia team and supposing Onegu is Town, HT was neither. I honestly have no idea how these two roles might have landed in Town hands, especially at the spots I and Onegu are.

Palmar, did you go for WP as planned?
Obi, did you go for Colossus as planned?

On January 26 2015 20:47 Palmar wrote:
Oats why do you sound so much like mafia?

@Oats, do you think it's reasonable to assume marv is mafia?

On January 26 2015 21:35 The Milkman wrote:

Because it is AMAZING for Scum and for some reason I was the first to pick it on 9. It is just bogus for me. Sure, they could go for a Stalker and a Zealot, easier picks, try to nab Immortal so they can defend themselves and such, but KP armageddon is just the way to go, especially considering that Town KP will be flowing like one tough motherfucker.

On January 26 2015 21:46 mderg wrote:
As far as claimed roles go we have Palmar - Warp Prism, Onegu - HT, Milkman - Carrier?

I'm pretty sure Palmar is town because he put in lots of effort and made a good plan.
Onegu I'm not quite as sure about. He participated in making the plan and went along with it. But it didn't seem like he wanted do bring in much of his own ideas. Leaning town ,though.
Milkman I can't see picking Carrier as scum. With that claim he will most likely get checked or killed before a Carrier can really do much.


Also, if marv doesn't shit town rainbows today, we should kill him.

On January 26 2015 21:43 Palmar wrote:

This is so wrong it hurts.

On January 26 2015 22:19 Palmar wrote:
that's kind of his thing as mafia, just be so boring that I want to cry.

On January 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:


So what does it mean?

On January 26 2015 22:56 IAmRobik wrote:

He might just be worn out from the last mafia game he played where he try-harded and didn't want to do it 2 games in a row.

On January 26 2015 23:09 Superbia wrote:
Who cares? Marv still hasn't done shit this game. He's mafia.

Get mad in QT or something. You're probably dying next.

On January 26 2015 23:12 Superbia wrote:
You remind me of me when I was scum one game and town was going after my team mate because he had been lurking. I also hard pushed a policy lynch to try to ensure team mate lived.

On January 26 2015 23:15 Superbia wrote:
The push on Marv is absolutely relevant but you choose to ignore it for no reason. It is astounding that you're literally saying you're willing to give him a pass d1 and are even essentially hard-defending him for no fucking reason.

On January 26 2015 23:17 Superbia wrote:
Oats, what's your opinion on mderg?

On January 26 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote:
Like I want to sort of murder Oats. Not because I don't think marv is mafia, but Oats' defense of him is just so blatantly wrong that it could be TMI.

Like no one on earth thinks that disinterested lazy marv is more likely to be town than mafia, and certainly not to the point of defending him as hard as Oats has.

If Oats was town I'd think his thought process was much less certain of marv's alignment. Like it's basically inconceivable to me that Oats can be this certain marv isn't mafia with as little information as marv has given us. There is obviously a case to be made for marv being town and disinterested, but it's not a strong enough case to act like oats does. Much more reasonable approach would be.

"chill guys, let's see if marv picks up. If he doesn't we gotta lynch him I suppose"
"look, he might just be disinterested and town. I don't know"

These kind of semi-hedged bets on his alignment make a lot of sense from a town perspective. It's exactly how you think when you're town. You're never certain of anything but you try to fit things to general rules.

Oats, on the other hand, is basically chainsaw defending marv for absolutely no good reason.

On January 26 2015 23:44 Palmar wrote:

And I haven't?

On January 26 2015 23:49 Palmar wrote:


I initially called marv scum for this post. It's a super weak tone read. This sort of "I'm not going to work with you guys to show I'm independent, but I'm still not gonna be a complete asshole about it". Like it's the in between of "fuck you guys, Imma do my own thing" and "here's our plan and how we make it work".

like the point about it partially conflicting with someone has nothing to do with the game at hand and there is no need to even mention it.

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the reason I'm explaining this is because marv reacts very starkly to me thinking he's mafia. One of his responses is, and probably what he'd normally do, is to simply clam up and make sure he doesn't give up his team. Which me might well be doing here.

He has done it before, in fact he has soft-claimed mafia twice after I figure him out on day 1 and just stopped trying. He tryharded last game and got carried by town-baddies. I don't think he'd be inclined to doing it again.

On January 27 2015 01:30 Palmar wrote:

no we lynch you for totally tmi.

On January 27 2015 11:04 Alakaslam wrote:
And oats, I find your calling for wanton loose KP on day 1 exceptionally scummy.

##Unvote.
##Vote: Oatsmaster

On January 27 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Sounds scummy to me- all of it.

Why Marv. Do I have no town tells to you? And we are already lynching him.

If onegu storms Marv he is claiming scum.

On January 27 2015 11:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with slam. Why vote marv ANd storm marv?

On January 27 2015 11:27 Alakaslam wrote:

Ridiculous, adds to the scum read. Marv makes sense as a vote, but not as an aoe kill.

On January 27 2015 21:02 mderg wrote:

I'm pretty sure on marv being scum. If I'm right, oats may still be town because scum defending a scumbuddy in a hopeless position is not really optimal.

On January 27 2015 22:05 mderg wrote:

The wifom is strong in this one.

On January 28 2015 02:02 Superbia wrote:
Oats, what do you think about Palmar?

On January 28 2015 02:02 IAmRobik wrote:

Cause I was gonna sheep you for the first day or two. I don't think you ever told me who we were lynching like 20 pages back when you asked if I'll follow you and lynch the liar

On January 28 2015 02:16 Superbia wrote:


So Palmar's reads have aligned pretty well with my own, which has been reflected in the thread.

I'm your top scum? Might want to explain that.

On January 28 2015 02:27 Superbia wrote:

Oats is scummy because he pushed on MilkMan (and off marv) for policy-reasons, even though MilkMan had displayed good reasoning behind picking Carrier and his interceptor logic was sound. Oats essentially ignored this (afaik).

Prob 1 mafia between the two.

On January 28 2015 02:33 Superbia wrote:
Oats I'm waiting for the reason why you're voting me.

On January 28 2015 02:35 Superbia wrote:
As mafia I would ignore a wagon that's on town and do my own thing. Uhuh.

On January 28 2015 02:38 Superbia wrote:
It's more accusing your accusation. All you've done so far is push on town (now me) and push off someone who is likely scum (Marv).

On January 28 2015 02:38 Superbia wrote:
Oh and rush said KP on town.

On January 28 2015 02:39 Superbia wrote:


You're scum or town aligning with scum. Either way you're a good target for KP because I'm lynching you in MYLO/LYLO.

On January 28 2015 09:50 Onegu wrote:
Marv will get modkilled at the end of n1, if he only gets a warning today, just seems like a waste to me.

On January 28 2015 09:58 sicklucker wrote:
Hey oats if your town you realize someone just tried to kill 3 towns right? like this really happened

On January 28 2015 15:49 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, he's a little confused. It's okay though.

Can you answer my question, Oats? I'd appreciate it.

On January 28 2015 16:58 rsoultin wrote:


Nah, I'm perfectly aware there, SL. Especially from anyone who has played with me before, which is one of the reasons I'm not OMGUSing either you or Oats for being wtf about it. Or Palmar, for that matter.

Will say this, though...I'm becoming a decent enough player to give the benefit of the doubt for a day to see how it goes when my attention's no longer divided.

On January 28 2015 17:13 rsoultin wrote:


It has a purpose. As to finding scum or controlling what you think, obviously not.

Who are you reading town, Oats?