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On January 25 2015 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:There is no way geript is scum here. If Geript is scum this game I will need to re-evaluate the way I play but I don't see it happening. Like, people are askling me to explain my town read on LM and I can do so whilst explain the way I read things period and perhaps it will help people with geript also. When I am reading the thread sometimes posts will pop up that are really unlikely to come from scum because the reasoning being used only really makes sense if that person is town. Case in point: Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 19:42 LoneMeow wrote:On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote:
A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. I'm also really kind of worried about DarthPunk. I know I am town and he's distancing himself from the lynch, it just smells scummy especially when the reasons are so weak. But every time I go check on him I can't pin down anything concrete that would give me a real scum read other than this. This post here looks really townie to me because it is an open window to a townie mindset. It shows healthy paranoia and the rationale is coming from a place that only makes sense from a Town!LM perspective. Then he looks at my filter and decides there is no reason to call me scum. He is collecting and analyzing information and changing his position based on that. I like this post so much that as soon as I read it I again decided I didn't want to lynch him. As for geript, there are countless posts in his filter that make me think he is town, further, I don;tn think scum could or would switch their style up like that mid game from an easier to fake style of posting. ( large constructed posts) to a harder to fake style (conversational ITT)
I will give you this. If you're right about LoneMeow you are probably also right about geript, and I would not want to lynch him Day 4. That post in and of itself doesn't seem scummy to me, either, but from a paranoid perspective him saying his defender appears town while finding a reason to scumread his couterwagon is not terrible play if he's trying to get out of a lynch. It's his play as a whole that I'm reading.
If you are not right about LM...well, I'll address your geript read, then. There are a few points in his play that make me suspicious of him with a trfel/lm scumteam.
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On January 25 2015 00:33 jarjarbinks wrote:
DP- Can you clarify what exactly makes damdred a better lynch than LM? Was it just because LM started posting last night? Did your spat with Rsoultin make her more scum, or did you not getting anything out of that?
1.) I think LM is more invested in solving the game in his three pages than damdred is in his 10 Pages. I think LM is town and I think Damdred is scum.
2.) LM posting last night and having positive interactions with me in the thread and being able to answer my questions in a way that made sense with evidence absolutely had something to do with it. I liked his posts on damdred and they reminded me that damdred was scummy as shit this game and only getting worse.
3.) Rso. man I dunno. her filter is large and generally makes sense.
But some of her reasoning/ inability to understand/ lack of desire to understand puts me off.
It's like she has an idea of someones alignment or what something means and uses questioning to drive her agenda rather than uncover the information needed to make a read.
Maybe it is a stylistic thing but it weird's me out.
Still have her as town though based off the strength and size of her filter.
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On January 25 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
but from a paranoid perspective him saying his defender appears town while finding a reason to scumread his couterwagon is not terrible play if he's trying to get out of a lynch. It's his play as a whole that I'm reading.
Explain where this is happening. First of all he called me scummy in that post more than he calls me townie. And he calls his only defender scummy! do you see scum ever doing that?!??! That is suicide from someone whose win condition depends on survival. But makes perfect sense from someone whose win condition is predicated on solving the alignments of others!
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On January 25 2015 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 17:20 geript wrote:
Definitely doesn't feel as good in hindsight. I'll need to go back and look at all my reasons for reading Breschke as town though. I know part of it was newb reasoning. How did you go with this?
I forgot about this. I'm looking now.
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Rso vote damdred with me.
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On January 25 2015 05:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
but from a paranoid perspective him saying his defender appears town while finding a reason to scumread his couterwagon is not terrible play if he's trying to get out of a lynch. It's his play as a whole that I'm reading.
Explain where this is happening. First of all he called me scummy in that post more than he calls me townie. And he calls his only defender scummy! do you see scum ever doing that?!??! That is suicide from someone whose win condition depends on survival. But makes perfect sense from someone whose win condition is predicated on solving the alignments of others!
-sighs- You really get worked up over small things.
He said he was worried about you. He said what appeared to be distancing from the lynch could be scummy. And then said he can't find scum in your filter.
That is not calling you scummy, not in my book. He only said this at all because Breshke asked him. Look at your own quote. I am looking at what he literally said. He literally said something you're doing could be scummy but he doesn't think so because of your filter.
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Like I refuse to believe you are all as confident as you make out to be of a scum!LM
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I will probably be voting Damdred if LM flips town, but I don't think he will, DP. I'm sorry.
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On January 25 2015 06:04 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 05:57 DarthPunk wrote:On January 25 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
but from a paranoid perspective him saying his defender appears town while finding a reason to scumread his couterwagon is not terrible play if he's trying to get out of a lynch. It's his play as a whole that I'm reading.
Explain where this is happening. First of all he called me scummy in that post more than he calls me townie. And he calls his only defender scummy! do you see scum ever doing that?!??! That is suicide from someone whose win condition depends on survival. But makes perfect sense from someone whose win condition is predicated on solving the alignments of others! -sighs- You really get worked up over small things. He said he was worried about you. He said what appeared to be distancing from the lynch could be scummy. And then said he can't find scum in your filter. That is not calling you scummy, not in my book. He only said this at all because Breshke asked him. Look at your own quote. I am looking at what he literally said. He literally said something you're doing could be scummy but he doesn't think so because of your filter.
What motive does a mafia have to not hard town read me at that point?
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On January 25 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
I will probably be voting Damdred if LM flips town, but I don't think he will, DP. I'm sorry.
What about shining? Will you lynch shining over LM?
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As far as I can tell, LM isn't even voting me is he?
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On January 25 2015 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 06:04 rsoultin wrote:On January 25 2015 05:57 DarthPunk wrote:On January 25 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
but from a paranoid perspective him saying his defender appears town while finding a reason to scumread his couterwagon is not terrible play if he's trying to get out of a lynch. It's his play as a whole that I'm reading.
Explain where this is happening. First of all he called me scummy in that post more than he calls me townie. And he calls his only defender scummy! do you see scum ever doing that?!??! That is suicide from someone whose win condition depends on survival. But makes perfect sense from someone whose win condition is predicated on solving the alignments of others! -sighs- You really get worked up over small things. He said he was worried about you. He said what appeared to be distancing from the lynch could be scummy. And then said he can't find scum in your filter. That is not calling you scummy, not in my book. He only said this at all because Breshke asked him. Look at your own quote. I am looking at what he literally said. He literally said something you're doing could be scummy but he doesn't think so because of your filter. What motive does a mafia have to not hard town read me at that point?
Honest truth? If he flips scum your filter looks bad by association. Trfel's crazy JJB is good JJB is good was an obvious ploy, but partially but not really defending a "scum partner" is a less obvious way to paint you scum and get you mislynched.
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On January 25 2015 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
I will probably be voting Damdred if LM flips town, but I don't think he will, DP. I'm sorry. What about shining? Will you lynch shining over LM?
Not in the slightest. I have more reason to suspect Damdred than Shining.
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On January 25 2015 06:08 Damdred wrote:
As far as I can tell, LM isn't even voting me is he?
Nope.
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Gah. Hopefully I am wrong and LM flips scum.
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On January 25 2015 06:08 Damdred wrote:
As far as I can tell, LM isn't even voting me is he?
He made a case against you but chose not to vote. I can read that as coming from either alignment :/
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On January 25 2015 06:11 DarthPunk wrote:
Gah. Hopefully I am wrong and LM flips scum.
Hope you are, too -_- I think the game is mostly solved if you are. Otherwise it's back to a bunch of unknowns.
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On January 25 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 06:08 Damdred wrote:
As far as I can tell, LM isn't even voting me is he? He made a case against you but chose not to vote. I can read that as coming from either alignment :/
Basically what i'm getting at is with the inactivity of breshke/shining/lm at this point DP shenanigans or trying to shenny is impossible right now
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On January 25 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote:On January 25 2015 06:08 Damdred wrote:
As far as I can tell, LM isn't even voting me is he? He made a case against you but chose not to vote. I can read that as coming from either alignment :/ Basically what i'm getting at is with the inactivity of breshke/shining/lm at this point DP shenanigans or trying to shenny is impossible right now
If your town read is about to get lynched you try it anyway honestly.
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I don't disagree with you, its kind of sad nobody else is here though, could get some good information in case they did flip to me.
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