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On January 26 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:Geript, quoting is a pain in the ass on a tablet. I will only do it here if absolutely necessary, like in this post. Also, I was in that game when both RSo and Damdred were scum(I was a blue role) and I think JJB linked an old scum game of mine in the Newbie game. This isn't my first time saying this but I really think those are horrible examples of play. This is an entirely different atmosphere. I don't think I've tried a fraction as hard there as I have here, sadly. Breshke, OK well your paranoid world has come to life. LM was town. And now that your paranoid world has come to fruition, you drop DP. You ask him to agree on a no lynch after posting this: Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 17:33 Breshke wrote:
RSo did yout ake another look at my filter do you still think im town?
Also how sure are you on your the shining read are you sure you arnt jsut giving him a pass for being a newbie?
All that shit I said about DP seemingly defending LM from nothing i still think is true but he might just have seen something i didn't. Also he seemed genuinely happy when people started changing their votes to me so i have me hesitations. Once your mislynch went through, instead of following up your suspicion, you give soft BS reasoning for letting DP go. "Seemed genuinely happy"? He's a vet, I'm sure he can pretend to be happy in a text post. "Saw something you didn't"? Then go filter dive and look for what he saw, or ask him, or bring it up. You dropped this way too fast considering you bothered to mention it in a prior post. Looks to me like you're afraid of DP defending himself and proving you're scum and are trying to buy yourself another NK with the no lynch instead. Or worse, you're back tracking off of a scum partner that you never intended to push, anyway.
No because LM started actually looking town at the end when i wasn't around. The posts when DP said he was town before i was around i still don't see what he saw. He obviously sees things different to me or that paranoid world is real.
Shining who are your scum obviously other than me? I honestly don't know your position on anyone else other than myself.
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So what else made you flip your read on geript damdred?
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off a town lynch onto another town? Why havnt you looked at it AT ALL from me being town.
I agree geript is town but I have most of the game i don't see what has made you flip your read.
Im boring because im about to leave. It is absurd that we arnt no lynching
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On January 26 2015 10:29 Damdred wrote:
Town cred for what? What's the point of towncred in mylo when half the game is scumming me at least.
Yeah why would you want towncred when people think you are scum
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The shining how can you think im scum if you are townreading RSo????
On January 25 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 3: This Final Hour
LoneMeow (4): geript, rsoultin, Damdred, jarjarbinks, Breshke, The Shining
Damdred (0): geript, DarthPunk, LoneMeow
The Shining (0): DarthPunk, DarthPunk
rsoultin (0): DarthPunk
Breshke (4): Damdred, geript, DarthPunk, LoneMeow
Currently, LoneMeow is set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
This is the final votecount from yesterday.
Unless you think my partner switches to me right before deadline you basically HAVE TO THINK that RSo is my scum buddy OR that you are.
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I'm not buddying RSo well i dont actually know the exact definition of that but i am just really certain she is town.
I was so out of youch witht he thread like night one or something because i had missed so much and RSo noticed this brought it up then started interacting with me basically bringing me back into the game and making me want to play again. Then all throughout the game she is always posting stuff down the same line of thought as me. Like i go to post it and bam there's RSo basically writing my thoughts down. It is so similar to the one other game i have played with her (one game obviously hardly means shit) and we were both town although i probably played better that game.
It is even more obvious to me that she is town this phase and the last. One she didn't switch to me which means nothing in itself but if she was scum it would be so easy for her to just push my misslynch today and win the game because it until recently it seemed everyone else was happy with me being scum.
The main reason i want to no lynch is because it would suck if geript and DP were the two remaining. I DON'T THINK THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE I STILL THINK GERIPT IS TOWN ESPECIALLY WITH HIM OPPOSING THE LYNCH ON ME BECAUSE WHATS THE POINT OF DOING THAT AS SCUM?? But no lynching and geript dieing means we don't lost to a world that like no one has considered (for good reason) other than i think RSo very early in the game. Also before anyone loses their shit yes i assume geript will die because killing anyone else will disprove any worlds people are actually wanting to lynch
Also i wasn't in carol. I was in two newbies first that i wouldn't even count because i basically just sheeped and was even more of a dead weight for town. Then I was in student and campus. Then two scum games in a row being Metal and new years
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On January 27 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:51 geript wrote:On January 27 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm here now Geript.
I disagree I think that shining is town but hes afk town which is just as bad.
What do you think about what I said about if breshke town reading rsoul so hard? I remember seeing it, but off the top of my head I don't specifically remember the argument/point. Can you point me to a post. I'll just give you a summary, if breshke is scum he wouldn't town read his partner so hard. compared to other games where he either goes after partners or lightly town reads them
So you are now saying it is unlikely me and rsoultin are partners. Then who the hell are you saying im scum with because it could realistically ONLY be the shining who you just said you don't want to lynch
I like your case on the shining damded except for the less quotes thing because that's entirely understandable because play on a phone/tablet sucks ass. Also the tablet thing was mentioned before anyone brought up he was quoting less.
On January 26 2015 10:34 The Shining wrote:
Bresh, I agree, I saw the same in looking at LM's EoD actions. I was just curious if one part of your paranoid world is real, why not question the possibilities of other parts? Mainly because I couldn't see what DP saw in LM, either.
My reads haven't changed all that much. I'm almost as sure about you as I was about LM, which is why I'm listening to these other scum team theories. I was wrong once this game and could be wrong again, although I don't think I am. I was always going to suspect Damdred if LM flipped Town, I even mentioned that in my filter, but I don't see it possible for the two of you to be teammates. So either I'm wrong on you or wrong on him.
The only other slight question mark I have is DP, because of the LM townread and you letting him go so easily. I actually haven't looked into interactions between you two yet but now I want to. I'll have to come back for that.
RSo, there are 6 of us left. What I was getting at is if Breshke somehow does convince us all to no lynch, we still have 6. After Night 4, it'd be 5 with 2 scum. His reasoning looks good on the outside(get rid of a question mark) but it also allows another NK to get rid of our strongest Townie who could figure it all out.
Also, why so snappy with me? I did read. Anything DP-related after that is "idk still paranoid as shit about DP." And that is it. this is a very important lynch for Town. I'm paranoid of basically all of you after my last Mylo experience. I just felt like Bresh set himself up to pursue that train of thought, not chalk it up to paranoia. If anything, Mylo is the best day for theories like that.
At the risk of sounding conceited, Damdred and I would've played a much better game without towning each other and association if we both rolled scum together. He also was ready to lynch me as scum at one point over a misunderstood post alone. I doubt scum would do that to another scum without making sure it wasn't a misunderstandng beforehand. That's not to say I don't think he's scum because I've been on the fence about him basically all game. You are one of my strongest townreads but I'd like to see his case on you first, in case there really is something there I'm not seeing.
I do find a disconnect in his reads in this post. He seems to scum read myself and damdred and correctly says that we couldn't be a team. He then goes on to say that DP is his only other question mark. There is no mention of anyone else so this assumes he was town reading everyone else.
I then pointed out that if he was scumreading me he would have to scumread RSo because of the votecount and he then backtracks and says RSo is actually a question mark aswell.
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On January 27 2015 10:06 rsoultin wrote:
hey geript, i'm reading your case on shining...I really like your last point.
I know it's the wifom one. but it is kind of odd that he's been so overlooked. I townread him for EoD 1, and I know this is different from where I normally play with him, but I don't think he's actually pushed anyone at all this game...which, at least in the less active one, he does a lot.
I wouldn't say this is entirely true.
He has been pushing people but its really mostly been whoever the thread was on at the time (LM and myself come to mind)
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DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it?
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On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:
DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo.
I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look.
Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town?
Also how is my play different?
Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them
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Also why do you think damdred has only been tring D1 and around the LM lynch? The time when he has not been trying correlates with LS getting a red check which very well could have demotivated him.
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On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:
DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them
On January 27 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:
Also why do you think damdred has only been tring D1 and around the LM lynch? The time when he has not been trying correlates with LS getting a red check which very well could have demotivated him.
Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching.
On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 11:58 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:
I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.
Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.
Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.
I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin. Eh, messy. Was trying to work out my thoughts with Lonemeow (ironic, I know) since the only one I was pretty sure on was Trfel, but no one wanted to lynch him and I didn't have any further arguments apart from what I already posted. Plus, yeah, I get stubborn and tunnel about people being insincere, when their words don't line up with their actions. GB never felt like a good lynch to me. I didn't want to lynch LS. I feel I've got a pretty good tone read on my brother, so I didn't want to lynch JarJar. And no, I didn't want to lynch WW either. I actually was still deciding what to do when JarJar claimed and didn't see it until I'd already changed my vote. There was something like 90 seconds left at that time. If anything, I found the lynch immensely frustrating. And much as I think that geript can't be scum unless I'm wrong on either JarJar or GB, that trfel in two pools thing still is niggling at me. It may not mean anything, though, odd as it seems and much as geript didn't want to actually explain it >< Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then?
This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum?
It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 27 2015 05:46 geript wrote:I think I want to lynch Shining and here's why: 1. The JJB "catch"--One of the things that stuck out to me on D1 was the JJB "catch" regarding Doc/Cop setup. I really wish I had pressured him more over this. Like it's really not something that town tends to think of that much because for the most part, they really don't care.
2. Many of his posts are "over explainy"--Things just seemed to be hashed out in a longer, less effective way than they were in Newbie LX. Posts tend to be one long thought instead of separated but somewhat connected thoughts.
3. GB had a few decent points on him here: Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote:
Good find GB.
Shinings cote was horrible he said he was in between me and lm voting tried to hammer gb. And caught jarjar slip about the setup This makes no sense at all, because he was between you and LM and you were scumreading LM right? But then, he voted me, who was scumreading you. This guy really believe in busses or he is mafia. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 10:46 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:
Continuing my previous post:
Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town. You have all the reasons to town read Trfel but ends calling him null and I can't understand why. Oh so that's why you were scumreading me. Here is the thing: I like to throw unexplained stuff in the thread to get reactions, so I can gather information on people. I can use it to see who is actively reading and trying to solve the game, and it is a way of keep the thread discussion going on. It is a thing I've learned playing with Rayn (he does this a lot) and something town foolishness also does. I've said to Trfel that a way to generate discussion is doing controversial things and/or giving reads. Openings are very important because of that. The main proof of this is that this game already has 36 pages and the latest newbie game barely had 20 pages at night1. The one liners thing is dull. If you town read LS for posting things that comes from the top of his head, you can't scum read me for one liners, because that's just me not holding my thoughts. This is specially if you really believe this: On January 19 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
Catching up from my last post. In response to your question of whether town or scum would think their posts through more.
DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows. Which is exactly what happened EoD. On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:
Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon?
I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. This post is completely wrong. Yes, scum call townies town all the time, but NOT in the situation Damdred was. He was shot to get lynched and I was the second wagon. Damdred is much more likely to lynch me than to die. This is exactly why I decided damdred was town. Always remember that mafias objective is to survive. He wasn't willing to survive. Of course he can still be scum but the probability is WAY less than him being townie. On January 19 2015 06:04 The Shining wrote:
GB - You said you were coming at lurkers. Since then, I've posted a read on you leaning scum and asked you why the LS BS meter comment was something worth mentioning when it is LS, a player who in my short experience experiences with him seems throw whatever is on his mind out there.
You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be. Damdreds scum meta is to not be involved. If he is getting tired of playing mafia and isn't involved because if that, well, I can't know. The only thing I know is his meta. Period. Sorry, I've skipped some posts while skimming through the thread, it seems I missed one of yours. And regarding not acknowledging you: ![[image loading]](http://41.media.tumblr.com/8276e2b065652480a2edbd0522aac367/tumblr_mjtiex5KeP1r0qyqbo1_500.png) I'm gonna stop here to tell you this: I've misread a lot of your posts. I thought you were saying that I didn't pressure damdred enough, but you were talking about lurkers. I also believed damdred when he said about the scumread on him and LM because I remembered the post your said you wouldn't be surprised if he was scum if I flipped town. After actually reading your filter win enough attention, you're clearly town to me. I rescind everything I said about you being scum. Although you have a very, very small filter. The second point I've been back and forth on. But I think it's reasonable accurate-ish. It is interesting to note that both Damdred and GB picked up on the "scumreads Damdred, GB and LM but votes for GB." Coming from a game where pretty much no mafia bussed, it's a pretty odd thought imo. There's paranoia, but Shining in my (short) experience is a pretty methodical player and that seems rather odd coming from him.
4. I really like the point against him that he's quoting less. I know he says it's a pain and I completely sympathize with that as I often play from my phone and quoting from mobile is a real hassle especially when I want to quote multiple things. That said, for me it shows a level of caring and want to find the right lynch. It's something that, maybe incorrectly, I'm putting stock in, but I don't think it's something that should be ignored wholly.
5. This is to some extent wifomy, but in the immortal words of Teh Blazinghand the first of his name long shall he live and long may his shenanigans live in imfamy, "There's wine that's easier to drink and wine that's harder to drink." In this case, I find it to be the former. I think if Shining were town, when there was a slight push towards him near the EoD3 he would've been a much easier target than Breshke. Like if he's town, his lynch says little to nothing about Breshke/LM and town is likely to be wifom focused on them D4. Shining's pretty low impact this game and I think almost anyone could easily come up with reasons to head towards him easily. Except that for most of today and much of yesterday, few if any have really taken a hard look into him. Few care. For town, to some extent that can be normal. But he really feels like lynch bait and it's really odd to see lynch bait come up so infrequently if he's town. ##vote The ShiningI'll be around sporadically for the rest of the afternoon/evening. I'm going to look at rsoultin and DP next. Sidenote: I think I'm going to blame not lynching Damdred on GB. I'm just going to sheep his townread for now and blame him for it if it's wrong. If he's town though I totally got there on my own for better reasons because meta.
Point one is meh to me as i think it honestly is different for every player and how much they think about the setup and rely on roles coming out etc.
I like point two and three and dislike point 4.
Five is what really sold it for me though because i think it says a lot. I don't get damdreds townread on the shining and damdred decided to vote me when DP was trying to get another wagon to get traction and the shining was considered as an option.
Without specifically looking in his filter can you explain damdreds town read on the shining for me RSo because i don't know if it is just me or not.
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On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:
DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them
Can you respond to this please DP you can call me bad or whatever but please don't ignore me when you are trying to lynch me.
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On January 27 2015 15:18 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 15:12 Breshke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 27 2015 05:46 geript wrote:I think I want to lynch Shining and here's why: 1. The JJB "catch"--One of the things that stuck out to me on D1 was the JJB "catch" regarding Doc/Cop setup. I really wish I had pressured him more over this. Like it's really not something that town tends to think of that much because for the most part, they really don't care.
2. Many of his posts are "over explainy"--Things just seemed to be hashed out in a longer, less effective way than they were in Newbie LX. Posts tend to be one long thought instead of separated but somewhat connected thoughts.
3. GB had a few decent points on him here: Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote:
Good find GB.
Shinings cote was horrible he said he was in between me and lm voting tried to hammer gb. And caught jarjar slip about the setup This makes no sense at all, because he was between you and LM and you were scumreading LM right? But then, he voted me, who was scumreading you. This guy really believe in busses or he is mafia. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 10:46 GlowingBear wrote:On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:
Continuing my previous post:
Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town. You have all the reasons to town read Trfel but ends calling him null and I can't understand why. Oh so that's why you were scumreading me. Here is the thing: I like to throw unexplained stuff in the thread to get reactions, so I can gather information on people. I can use it to see who is actively reading and trying to solve the game, and it is a way of keep the thread discussion going on. It is a thing I've learned playing with Rayn (he does this a lot) and something town foolishness also does. I've said to Trfel that a way to generate discussion is doing controversial things and/or giving reads. Openings are very important because of that. The main proof of this is that this game already has 36 pages and the latest newbie game barely had 20 pages at night1. The one liners thing is dull. If you town read LS for posting things that comes from the top of his head, you can't scum read me for one liners, because that's just me not holding my thoughts. This is specially if you really believe this: On January 19 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
Catching up from my last post. In response to your question of whether town or scum would think their posts through more.
DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows. Which is exactly what happened EoD. On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:
Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon?
I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. This post is completely wrong. Yes, scum call townies town all the time, but NOT in the situation Damdred was. He was shot to get lynched and I was the second wagon. Damdred is much more likely to lynch me than to die. This is exactly why I decided damdred was town. Always remember that mafias objective is to survive. He wasn't willing to survive. Of course he can still be scum but the probability is WAY less than him being townie. On January 19 2015 06:04 The Shining wrote:
GB - You said you were coming at lurkers. Since then, I've posted a read on you leaning scum and asked you why the LS BS meter comment was something worth mentioning when it is LS, a player who in my short experience experiences with him seems throw whatever is on his mind out there.
You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be. Damdreds scum meta is to not be involved. If he is getting tired of playing mafia and isn't involved because if that, well, I can't know. The only thing I know is his meta. Period. Sorry, I've skipped some posts while skimming through the thread, it seems I missed one of yours. And regarding not acknowledging you: I'm gonna stop here to tell you this: I've misread a lot of your posts. I thought you were saying that I didn't pressure damdred enough, but you were talking about lurkers. I also believed damdred when he said about the scumread on him and LM because I remembered the post your said you wouldn't be surprised if he was scum if I flipped town. After actually reading your filter win enough attention, you're clearly town to me. I rescind everything I said about you being scum. Although you have a very, very small filter. The second point I've been back and forth on. But I think it's reasonable accurate-ish. It is interesting to note that both Damdred and GB picked up on the "scumreads Damdred, GB and LM but votes for GB." Coming from a game where pretty much no mafia bussed, it's a pretty odd thought imo. There's paranoia, but Shining in my (short) experience is a pretty methodical player and that seems rather odd coming from him.
4. I really like the point against him that he's quoting less. I know he says it's a pain and I completely sympathize with that as I often play from my phone and quoting from mobile is a real hassle especially when I want to quote multiple things. That said, for me it shows a level of caring and want to find the right lynch. It's something that, maybe incorrectly, I'm putting stock in, but I don't think it's something that should be ignored wholly.
5. This is to some extent wifomy, but in the immortal words of Teh Blazinghand the first of his name long shall he live and long may his shenanigans live in imfamy, "There's wine that's easier to drink and wine that's harder to drink." In this case, I find it to be the former. I think if Shining were town, when there was a slight push towards him near the EoD3 he would've been a much easier target than Breshke. Like if he's town, his lynch says little to nothing about Breshke/LM and town is likely to be wifom focused on them D4. Shining's pretty low impact this game and I think almost anyone could easily come up with reasons to head towards him easily. Except that for most of today and much of yesterday, few if any have really taken a hard look into him. Few care. For town, to some extent that can be normal. But he really feels like lynch bait and it's really odd to see lynch bait come up so infrequently if he's town. ##vote The ShiningI'll be around sporadically for the rest of the afternoon/evening. I'm going to look at rsoultin and DP next. Sidenote: I think I'm going to blame not lynching Damdred on GB. I'm just going to sheep his townread for now and blame him for it if it's wrong. If he's town though I totally got there on my own for better reasons because meta. Point one is meh to me as i think it honestly is different for every player and how much they think about the setup and rely on roles coming out etc. I like point two and three and dislike point 4. Five is what really sold it for me though because i think it says a lot. I don't get damdreds townread on the shining and damdred decided to vote me when DP was trying to get another wagon to get traction and the shining was considered as an option. Without specifically looking in his filter can you explain damdreds town read on the shining for me RSo because i don't know if it is just me or not. Not really. He's basing it on meta. I didn't see anything that jumped out at me as scummy per se when I went through his filter for Day 3. The reasoning I didn't always agree with but I could follow his train of thought? I don't know if Damdred's meta read should apply so strongly between a forum with 10 page games and a forum like this, though. The strength of his surety is a bit weird.
Do you think damdred/DP is a likely team?
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+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 16:00 DarthPunk wrote:On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:
DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Geript pointed out that it was weird you were not around when you were around before that is when the lynch was happening. Regardless that phone thing is some bullshit. You said your phone died. That looked really unlikely, then you made up some story about your phone overheating and suddenly draining all the battery, something I have never ever in my life heard of. So yeah you not being around at lynches and mysteriously disappearing is scummy. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town?
Doesn't make sense for mafia to try and switch the lynch off an easy mislynch like LM, there seemed to be ALOT of resistance to lynching you instead of LM even if some of it was passive resistance indicating scum had a vested interest in ensuring the lynch of someone which is reflected in the votes. If town/town scum are 1000% more likely to just afk their vote on LM because it doesn't give any info to the town. There was no reason for damdred or geript to move lynches as scum. If the vote was town/town I would expect there to have been a more one sided vote count or many votes spread around. On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
Also how is my play different? Different tone, hard buddying Rso, more invested than previously, Soft pushing me without ever calling me out. Not really pushing a scum read at all, rather pushing a no lynch despite really thinking through what is happening in the game. On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them I explained my read on you in my case on you. Also due to POE it is unlikely you are not in one of my two scum teams which are: Breshke - Rso Breske - Shining. Also you and Rso keep trying to chainsaw defend one another which makes things pretty obvious. Like you are outing yourselves this mylo badly.
There something weird going on with he formatting so i put the post im replying to in a spoiler tag.
I last posted like voer 12 hours before the lynch. What as scum do i gain as being "pretending" to be afk as people start switching agons off LM onto me mostly because i wasn't around at the time. I don't think geript switches to me there if i was around and posting being active.Also EoD one what do i gain "pretending" my phone died. Why don't i just switch to WW like everyone else. Don't even try argue that i was trying to lynch a claimed blue role because thats complete bull. SO HOW IS IT SCUMMY THAT I WASNT AROUND?
Why doesn't it make sense for scum to move the lynch of LM like you say he was an easy misslynch target. I flip town then people start going on him again especially considering he was coming around to e being town yet still voted for me .Who passively resisted the switch on to me? Jar jar is town, RSo straight up said she wasn't switching so you could only be refering to the shining so why don't you just say the shining? Why is there no reason damdred and geript move their votes as scum? It obviously makes you think they are town AND THEY STILL LYNCH A TOWN.
I dont ever really push you as scum and i havn't really pushed anyone this day. My PoE leaves me with you damdred and shining. I'm at the stage where i still want to lynch every one of you three which is shit because one of you is town.
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On January 27 2015 16:58 rsoultin wrote:
Bresh, this bugged me about you the first time I saw it, too:
Why of all things in the entire game when you first came in did you pick out me pushing Trfel? It's not so much that you shouldn't have cause it was very noticeable, but you didn't actually comment on or notice anything else until you came back a great while later.
Because i have been coached by and shadowed GB as i know trefel has. That "start off with a dumb post" thing is something GB likes to do to get discussion going. I didn't think trefel as new scum would change his play because that is like the oppisite of what youu want to do as scum obviously you want to mirror your town game. I don't know why i didn't comment on anything else but im fairly shit at Day 1's
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Are you asking me to respond to that RSo?
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RSo i was thinking it was damdred and shining so that would mean DP would be the town of the three.
DP keeps calling me mafia for bad reasons that are especially bad since im town and i havn't really seen him consider otherwise. So that makes me think it is probably DP/damdred or maybe DP/shining. I wish shining was around at EoD because i probably would have been dead and LM could have probably convinced people today.
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On January 27 2015 19:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 19:04 Breshke wrote:
RSo i was thinking it was damdred and shining so that would mean DP would be the town of the three.
DP keeps calling me mafia for bad reasons that are especially bad since im town and i havn't really seen him consider otherwise. So that makes me think it is probably DP/damdred or maybe DP/shining. I wish shining was around at EoD because i probably would have been dead and LM could have probably convinced people today.
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##Vote: DP LOL.
Take it as a compliment. i dont think you would be this wronf as town
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