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LoneMeow
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On January 24 2015 20:09 DarthPunk wrote: LM if you go afk right now without answering my questions or interacting ITT I will lynch you MOFO. Hold yer horses, takes a while to collect all the posts to quote and such. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 24 2015 19:43 DarthPunk wrote: Lonemeow. Who do you want to lynch? Give me three reasons why with evidence to support your assertions. Who is your largest town read that isn't confirmed town? Give me three reasons why with evidence to support your assertions. I want to lynch Breshke or Damdred. Right now I am not sure which I'd prefer. Reasons for Breshke are in my previous posts. Reasons for Damdred: Inconsistent read progression on The Shining. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] + On January 18 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: Shining is in town pile, I feel like I missed questions directed at me so i'm going to look back and find some of them when I can and answer them. Game looks kinda difficult to find scum right now. On January 19 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Yea GB is really bad about dropping reads to tunnel on someone. I'm on phone so can't link atm. Also shinings post is bad and has a ma f2f is tone about it watch him after this lynch On January 19 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote: Really hate playing on Sundays since I'm at work all day meh. Anyway, GB probably town jarjar and shining trying to figure who to hammer so lm and me are town. Jarjat is the lynch shining Tommorow maybe rs the next for chain saw defending. Super crummy play from a couple here at eod ##unvite ##Vote jarjar On January 19 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: This is great shining says damdred and lm are lynched. Votes GB. Pure Scum On January 19 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote: GB I have to read rs filter for context, but I think rs chainsaw defended jarjar a bit. Could be a bit of tmi. Shining is caught I think, gotta figure out if tr is mafia and the last. On January 19 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote: Good find GB. Shinings cote was horrible he said he was in between me and lm voting tried to hammer gb. And caught jarjar slip about the setup On January 19 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: Shining and lm look bad to me, they were the die st one a to pick up on his slip knowing there's a medicine the game, This doesn't make then 100% but signings vote is bad. He's mafia I think On January 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: Medic protect jarjar. Or wifom whatever, shining I most mafia in the thread. On January 19 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote: Obviously jarjar will be alive tomorrow more than likely just for wifom if hes tracker and more than likely he will be blocked if he is the true tracker. I'm not going to give scum strategy so we shouldn't talk about it to much in depth, but until we start seeing some flips of another power role we need to just ignore it for now more than likely. I don't have much to substantiate with but the "softing/scum slip" earlier makes me a bit weary to believe the claim. We have little inactives, I think we can eliminate shining from lynch tomorrow. Breshke needs a good day, LM needs a decent day. Those to me are our really only inactives and they aren't spammy but are here if we have a cop I would check one of them and hope to get lucky. Trfel has been the least interested in the days activity I think, and has really changed the play from all of the other games I played with him in. Even in the last newbie it seemed very similar to carol/last student mafia. Was pretty strong even if he wasn't as inactive, and as blue in carol he was really strong. This just seems like a weird mirror like performance, playing down his ability no real scum reads sheeping instead of pushing. Being wrong is good in mafia it helps you get more information instead of laying back First The Shining is town, then based on one post (with no explanation what about the post was so bad) he goes to scum, then to super strong scum, then all of a sudden with no explanation he's not scum anymore. Even the followup post does not explain why he's no longer scum: On January 19 2015 12:14 Damdred wrote: Which obviously after looking back on shinings filter and seeing my mistake at the read and his explanations+replies had me move him back towards the lower side of my towny list. And LS shouldn't be lynched obviously Does not explain why he changed his mind so drastically. Inconsistent read progression on geript. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] + On January 20 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote: Lol, Geript might actually be Scum after those posts. On January 20 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: JJB is an unccd tracker so really doesn't matter. On that regard if we have a doc claim and we have two Scum down. The kill wasn't that bad. GB actions basically confirmed him as town, jarhar had suspicion over his claim so he wouldn't be a good night kill. DP might be mafia at least one of the vets is probably try hard. But his post at eon made it seem he thought he would die, but that's wifom. You tr dp dp town reads you. No reason to kill someone tr you at this moment. Kills in imperial were done for wifom and keep people who aren't confirmed and other reasons. Either way, if rs doesn't understand something quote yourself instead of getting aggravated. In your first four posts you have, thrown dirt on jarjar ls damdred and rs. I don't see town!Geript doing this when we have a red check. On January 20 2015 12:02 Damdred wrote: Well I am a bit unsure of geript but I think hes town here. Up to this point I think the progression is fine. On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote: Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. But this strikes me as weird, he hasn't really reasoned much anything about geript in between this and the previous post so how is he now in the "most sure" list? On January 23 2015 23:22 Damdred wrote: DP seems to be involved and connected to the game and giving thoughts, I think even though I have some doubts about him I don't think he would connect himself with the scum team like this if LM is scum which is a real possibility. Breshke looks the best coming into today really putting in the effort to try to solve the game and answer questions about him Rsoultin looks great as well, questioning everything and seems paranoid enough to be towny plus actions before. Jarjar: Un cc'd blue Town: Breshke Rsoultin DP JarJar I think, that Geript feels really disconnected from the game and he sometimes really lacks followup and can't really tell what hes doing anymore. Really seems like yesterday he was disparaging the claim of LS and JarJar trying to put doubts setting up trfels counter claim which trfel totally fell through with. But that's wifom, besides that. The question about the day 1 lynch will bother people because why would mafia want to pull off a town? Perhaps to stop town from lynching LM as a last second lynch, as GB myself both lost ton of traction and GB my main pusher stopped and jarjar was claiming blue so getting people from looking at LM would be good. LM is the other mafia I think, not trying to solve the game. I think tis geript and LM at this point. But we will see and geript will give me tons of flack for this post I know hehe ##Vote LM And now geript is back to scum again for really shady reasons. Calling someone "disconnected" is very subjective and the rest of the paragraph is full of null and nothing. Not explaining why he calls something scummy/towny. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] + Not going to quote his entire filter here, but there's plenty of posts like: On January 19 2015 04:36 Damdred wrote: Meh GB is town from this more than likely. GB was being boring now he's not. Makes a statement about someone's alignment but does not explain why he thinks that way. In fact the entire day 1 lynch time he was spamming that GlowingBear is town, you aren't you guys switching but never giving any reasons to convince others. Strongest town read who isn't confirmed is jarjarbinks for quite obvious reasons, but I expect you meant strongest town read who hasn't claimed so that would be rsoultin, because: Huge activity, I don't see it likely that a relatively new player could produce this much content as scum. The way she pushed geript for putting Trfel in both lynch/do-not-lynch lists. The way I see it, it would've been easy to start calling geript scum for it straight away and the townie thing was to question him about it. Pushed Trfel during day 1 and night 1. Meh, now that you made me go back and reread I'm no longer so sure about her either. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote: I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight. Can you point out what in it looks bad to you? I've read it a few times myself and I can't really find any obvious giveaways there. The shadiest thing I see is the "quite convenient" time of his disappearance with vote left on jarjarbinks but that's not really very conclusive. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 24 2015 21:20 DarthPunk wrote: Small. He is a bit weird about defending trefel. I think he says something like: "DP has a good point about trefel being town" and then Chainsaw defends him by attacking the person arguing against Trefel but like he attacks her arguments rather than say I still think trefel'/s town. To me that looks terrible. I'll try and find the posts in his filter. Those two posts look pretty bad in hindsight of a scum!trefel flip. Obviously he could be town and just had a solid read or agreed with my posts, but as mafia trying to defend his scum buddy getting behind a townies arguments in order to defend his scum buddy is a very realistic scenario. there was another post that I didn;t like He is confronted about lack of scum reads at the start and Immediately tries to deflect attention away from his own reads by starting a discussion about the questioners reads. I find that scum are more likely to deflect attention to their positions and town are more likely to seek it. I don't like the self-deprecation either but that is more a tone thing. The first post you quoted does actually look a bit bad in the light of Trfel flipping red, the second I find pretty much not alignment indicative. As for the third one, I could see him saying that as town, but then again, I am not super familiar with his play style. What do you think of the points I make here: On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote: Breshke is scum. There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options. Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him. The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest. There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis. Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 25 2015 00:33 jarjarbinks wrote: LM- I've never played with you. People keep claiming that your more inactive this round. Is it true? Do you have any reasons for being less active? It's a bit silly to ask me about my play, but yes I do think a point could be made that I have been somewhat less active. You can make your own comparison, these are the most recent games I have played: Carol of the Bells, town, shot N1 Season of the Witch, scum, lynched D3 Shadowed Reboot, town, survived Shadowed, town, game aborted I have a general policy of not making excuses about being AFK since it's not really useful for determining alignment. If you don't see why, go read Cell Mini Mafia III where Blazinghand faked moving to a new apartment, with picture proofs and everything. I can give you an explanation of why I was busy some days but you really should not consider it alignment indicative either way. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 25 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote: This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of. And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy". I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town. Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you. Why is it a weird question? Your statement is essentially "if he flips town, it will give me the alignment of 1 or 2 players". What I am asking is you to explain whose alignments you can deduce from me flipping town, and the logic by which you would do so. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 25 2015 01:33 rsoultin wrote: I said assuming I'm right on you, LM. I'm pushing you as scum. So my statement has nothing to do with you flipping town? Aha, ok. I read that as "or if I am wrong (and he flips town)" but I guess it makes sense the other way, too. Still would like to hear the logic for who it clears and why. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 25 2015 01:51 rsoultin wrote: If you're scum I expect some of the resistance to your lynch today to come from scum, with only 2 scum left. That's kind of a given. I'd be looking for people finding reasons to cast doubt on a wide net of other players in an attempt to find a counterwagon that sticks, or for their votes/reads to not be coming from a place that reads genuine, or something of that nature. It's not something I'm paying close attention to now because I don't want to start worrying about a third scum until you've flipped scum and I know I'm right. If I'm not I have to reevaluate everything. Voting analysis cross-checked with read progressions is what I like to base my scumhunting on. It's why I'm not down for a Bresh lynch, or a Shining lynch, and why Damdred makes me eeeeehhh somewhere in the neutral range. So the voting Day 2, plus your alignment added to a second read-through of the voting Day 1. Essentially I'm not going to be able to give you a list of names until the day is done. It's all what-if's and hypotheticals, especially when a good portion of the analysis will be based on what happens between now and EoD. Does that make sense to you? Okay, I see what you meant now. Since I'm town, do you think the resistance to lynching me is more likely coming from scum trying to look better after the flip or town reading me correctly? | ||
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LoneMeow
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Don't mislynch because you're too tunneled to even consider other options. If you can not state 3 clear reasons why you are lynching me then you are either scum or tunneling for bad reasons. I'm obviously open to lynching just about anyone who is not me or jarjarbinks but I would prefer Damdred. Breshke exhibits very similar paranoid thinking in some of his later posts as I have been going through so I no longer trust my read on him that much. ##Vote: Damdred | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 25 2015 06:26 rsoultin wrote: Shit reasoning for scumming Bresh day 1. Complete disinterest in where the vote was heading day 1. BS reason for switching to the WW wagon day 1. General inactivity throughout the game. get rekt xP You do realise that all of those points except the last are based on day 1 alone - we're at the end of day 3 now, so you really should have some new evidence one way or the other by now. The last point would apply also to The Shining, yet you're not calling him scum for it, why's that? | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:44 Damdred wrote: Cause i'm good at reading shining by tone since I've played with him so much and I think hes town and his posts look like how constructed his posts were in the newbie game when iw as his coach For what it's worth, I checked The Shining's newbie game some time ago and I would agree that there's some similarity in how the posts look somewhat constructed. He was town in that game. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On January 25 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote: I find Day 2 practically a vacuum with the red check on Trfel. You weren't even here for it. You've done pretty much jack all above and beyond everyone else's jack all. What you did post was mostly Day 1, and that' what I find scummy. Another counterargument? I have roughly as much content in day 3 as I had in day 1 and you're happy to just completely ignore that? + Show Spoiler [Nasty words inside] + I am fucking annoying by you not even considering that someone could actually misunderstand a post and keep calling me scum for that instead. Like WHAT THE FUCK DO I GAIN FOR INTENTIONALLY DOING THAT?! | ||
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##Vote: Breshke | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:54 geript wrote: I really don't get where all this LM rage is coming from. I'm having a deja vu and it drives me up the walls. Once upon the time there was a large game where I was town. And I forgot someone got killed, speculated about him and got called "100% scum, guaranteed" for that since it's impossible for townies to make mistakes. | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:57 DarthPunk wrote: PLEASE BE SCUM LM! Going to have to disappoint you, sorry  | ||
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