Student Mafia V - Page 2

On January 18 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote:


If I had to sum it up in one word: Trfel-centric.

His filter appears to be a light push on Trfel for Trfel's entrance post, town-reading him, convincing others to, and pressuring anyone who doesn't. I can post quotes as evidence, but as he has a 1-page filter it's pretty self-evident right now.

(Oh, I forgot to mention trolling GB. Probably because that is just fluff anyway xP)


Also, JarJar, I know you said after the game, but your posts just now established your innocence enough for me to not want to lynch you Day 1, so I think you're doing better than you realize. We can talk more after the game.


@DP...do you have any reads on anything/anyone else? You asked me for mine...quid pro quo bro.

On January 18 2015 05:44 jarjarbinks wrote:



When you say "him" do you mean DP? Or are you asking me and DP's reads on Cool? I think you mean DP.

DP- Overdefended trfel's voting at the beginning when he probably knew what trfel was doing. I liked geripts analysis on page 14 explaining it. That's all I have.

I'll be back tonight to catch up and put in thoughts.

On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway).

LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious.

I don't see why coolTLname is being scumread right now. He hasn't done very much, but I like the catch on Damdred's scumread of The Shining. I also like the analysis of jarjarbinks. However, coolTLname, while post count and mafia are related, there are many other more important tells. For example, TheWarWaffle made maybe about 6 posts in all of Day 1 last game, and he was town. Meanwhile, Half the Sky made many posts, and she was scum. The main point against coolTLname is how he waited for GlowingBear to vote The Shining before he voted. However, assuming that coolTLname really is new to TL, this makes sense, since it is reasonable for a new player to wait and see how the veterans react to things they bring up. I know that I did this in my first game of TL mafia, and still do sometimes (I wait to see how the first few people react to my case before I vote, in case there is an obvious hole that I missed; perhaps as I improve more and become more confident I will vote without waiting for responses first). That doesn't mean that new players aren't expected to stand by their reads, but it is reasonable for them to look to veterans for leadership at times. (he was modkilled, but I will leave this paragraph in here anyway just because)

I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch.

DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help.

Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch.

Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent.

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I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever).

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With that in mind, I will answer geript's question.

I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in.

I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

On January 18 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I think that Damdred's action makes the most sense as a test. Damdred knows that he wouldn't be able to catch the three scum so early in the game, especially since one of them hadn't posted yet. He's a better player than that, we knows it, and he knows that we know it.

On January 18 2015 09:14 GlowingBear wrote:
You've just saw a wall from geript and had no problems with it, DP.

What's the big difference?

On January 18 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:


Are you caught up now? (Kinda been waiting for you to finish making your way through the thread.)

On January 18 2015 09:22 GlowingBear wrote:


Funny, I find Trfels post easier to read.

I don't understand why you give 0 fucks to what Trfel types, btw

On January 18 2015 09:19 LightningStrike wrote:

These are the type of posts I expect from Tfrel when he is actively playing the game also he is also one of the best Case makers in this game.

On January 18 2015 09:44 GlowingBear wrote:


That guy is good. Don't underestimate him.

Anyway, do you have any scum read already?

On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:
LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here.

On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:
Here in the knowledge bomb for today guys;

Town:

Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all.

LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here.

RS: Hes town, he pressures people. Hes reading the thread, he has follow up on what he says and hes asking opinions to try to figure out peoples alignments. Wouldn't lynch him today at all.


Null:

LM: Why you not have your neck out and giving actual thoughts instead of just reacting to what people say to you .

Warwaffle: not really rememerable but hasn't posted much

Shining: where are you baby doll?

Breshke: Who are you again? what do you think?

Scum:

TLCoolName: I have talked about him before now and I will reinterate. He attacks JarJar at one point and JarJar answers him, instead of interacting with him and trying to figure out his alignment. He disengages and says oh I like this post and never returns to it. When confronted with this information he says he just hasn't analyzed what JarJar has done. Shouldn't be much to analysis and Jarjar was in the thread at the time so he missed a good opoortunity to actually analysis the player and figure out his alignment. And then he switched to talking about me or rather slow pushing a target, he quoted something before the game started. He waited for someone else to vote and threw his vote down with that person. He claims it was a reaction test, but his reaction is not one a town would generally make. Instead of talking it through and trying to understand alignments of both he retreats from the confrontation and says just do analysis on everyone else. This guy is scum, hes not interested in finding out who is scum or pressuring people. He wants to find an easy target park there after someone else has fired the first shot and go on his merry way.


General thoughts:

I didn't bother to do everyone yet, Geripts huge post is full of good things that I want more peoples comments on. He might be onto something but I haven't rad DP filter or contextualized it yet.

GB could really be town here, anger at the start seems authentic and GB hates being VT. Some good thoughts but not as many as drunk bear should usually have at this point.

I'm undecided about JarJar currently, his recent postings looked pretty ok, but his previous postings looked bad. So can't really put him in a null town or scum currently but might lynch him depending on play as the game goes along.

Overall cool is the scummiest thing in the thread and people should comment on what I wrote.

On January 18 2015 03:46 Damdred wrote:
I've read everyones filter besides DP just procrastinating on his

On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote:


I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore.



What does scum damdred get out of not commenting on your filter if he has actuall read it? I don't get where you are going with this.

On January 18 2015 05:13 Damdred wrote:


DP could be town or a mafia partner if i'm mafia. or I could just be lazy town currently

On January 18 2015 15:18 geript wrote:
You know DP, this game is really weird. I don't think anyone except really wants to disagree with my reads.

On January 18 2015 15:23 geript wrote:
Damdred, LoneMeow and GB have all been around for a decent period. I'd consider them vets. Just not Tier 1 vets.

I've explained my LS read; it's not irreversible, but I've found I generally real newbies quite well. I do agree that a bunch of people have been reading LS town for poor reasons, but I'm not quite sure if that's because he's mafia or if everyone's too pussyfoot to disagree with me.

Can we talk about JJB while we're both around though?

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:

Rsoultin case, I've only skimmed it but what I saw of it made me go "meh"

SAME. That is literally what I was thinking.





Ok, but you are still able to comment about me/ read me. Damdreds progression was 'm just gonna ignore DP, not gonna read his filter cause lazy, maybe we are scum together?

that just blows my mind in terms of not making sense.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
On LS, I'd take a look at my review of the Newbie Game. I highlight some of his posts. Early on I found him hard to read. But think of like Wave of Shadow when you're reading him. I think that's the right one. The two really remind me of each other a lot. Really try hard, but no real clue as to what to do.