Also this newbies are delicate flowers that need to be protected from the big mean mafia players is nonsense.

My third ever game

I hung with the best of them and flamed the shit out of someone scum reading me correctly which won me the game, let the newbies experience what mafia is actually like rather than try and protect them which completely alters their expectations of what is normal and artificially limits the things they can use in the game.

geript

10024 Posts

January 27 2015 22:55 GMT

#2462

Like the check on Trfel is less of an issue than the claim. Like you can stand to learn a lot about who is probably not mafia on who he pushes. Also, you weren't likely to be NK'd or lynched so you can stuff that one in your pocket. Plus you can just potentially just get him lynched on what he already said. Like, the only time to make an early claim on like that is when it's going to be a really tough lynch to push through, like HF, Marv, etc. That way you give people more time to evaluate the claim.

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

January 27 2015 22:56 GMT

#2463

Geript are you now never gonna trust me again

geript

10024 Posts

January 27 2015 22:57 GMT

#2464

FWIW, I think there's a happy medium between being "lovey dovey" and "flaming the shit out of people." The latter shouldn't really be promoted imo, but I don't think that just calling someone shit, calling their reads shit, calling their pushes shit, etc. is over the line. When I host, generally my approach is to "pre-warn" like HtS sent to me. Something like, "I don't think this is over the line, but it's coming close. So watch yourself." I find that that strategy tends to work the best and I didn't have any problem with the pre-warning myself.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 22:59 GMT

#2465

On January 28 2015 07:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Also this newbies are delicate flowers that need to be protected from the big mean mafia players is nonsense.

My third ever game

I hung with the best of them and flamed the shit out of someone scum reading me correctly which won me the game, let the newbies experience what mafia is actually like rather than try and protect them which completely alters their expectations of what is normal and artificially limits the things they can use in the game.

Maybe you misunderstood my post (if that's what you are hinting at), but I blame that bias for some of the tunnelling going on in this game. Effectively, I agree with you here.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

January 27 2015 22:59 GMT

#2466

On January 28 2015 07:57 geript wrote:
FWIW, I think there's a happy medium between being "lovey dovey" and "flaming the shit out of people." The latter shouldn't really be promoted imo, but I don't think that just calling someone shit, calling their reads shit, calling their pushes shit, etc. is over the line. When I host, generally my approach is to "pre-warn" like HtS sent to me. Something like, "I don't think this is over the line, but it's coming close. So watch yourself." I find that that strategy tends to work the best and I didn't have any problem with the pre-warning myself.

Good to know, I appreciate the feedback. Cheers.

geript

10024 Posts

January 27 2015 23:01 GMT

#2467

On January 28 2015 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Geript are you now never gonna trust me again

Nah. Might not townread you so early. But I mean there are a lot of warning signs I should've picked up on. Like you in effect blind trusting me on WW and Breshke but essentially ignoring better cases/points on Trfel/Shining. Like I should've picked up on the fact that you were hammering lynches on GB and LM while they were looking really towny. The Rsoultin push on D1 was pretty classic DP town though. I even noted in my first big post that I didn't know what to do with you. Plus, I really couldn't fathom you being on a scumteam that didn't CC anything on D2. Like, it makes sense because you couldn't CC and Shining wouldn't have lasted a day. But I couldn't really see you on a team with shining.

geript

10024 Posts

January 27 2015 23:02 GMT

#2468

As funny as it is to say, I think that posting more really actually quite hurt my play this game. I think I'm going to head back towards wall of text posts.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 27 2015 23:44 GMT

#2469

Well played DP!

I'll try to go over this game in the next day or two - really interesting all around.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

January 27 2015 23:54 GMT

#2470

On January 28 2015 07:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Cheers sharing your input, Eden.

Honestly I also want to throw out a massive shoutout to the coaches - Eden, Hapahauli, Amiko, and Artanis.

All of you posted some very good input and some of you even provided tips/followup after your student's deaths.

So cheers all, volunteering your time like that, especially with two of you hosting/playing other games.

Actually I feel like I've barely contributed, just a bit at the start. I think it was because DP was in the scum qt too so I figured he'd basically provide them better guidance than I could. I attempted to give some general advice here and there but I think DP was more involved in the game, so he was a more logical spokesman.

I also think for next time in case of coaching scum I'd like to have separate qt's with the players because it'll make people ask questions quicker.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

January 27 2015 23:56 GMT

#2471

I also like how Geript starts all of his sentences with "like,".

geript

10024 Posts

January 28 2015 00:24 GMT

#2472

On January 28 2015 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also like how Geript starts all of his sentences with "like,".

Only 90%

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

January 28 2015 00:51 GMT

#2473

I just wanna point out to the obs qt heroes that although I definitely made mistakes. I am insanely hard to lynch. And intimidating in the thread.

I am pretty sure Rso would have called me mafia for days in the obs qt, but in the game she was too timid and second guessed herself and I think a large part of that is because lynching me is fucking hard and intimidating.

That is just my personal rationale behind it. Like Rso called me out for various things correctly since day 2.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 28 2015 00:57 GMT

#2474

On January 28 2015 07:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for the bad Cop claim that was just entirely my fault but I can't believe you guys didn't get catch scum after I got us a scum

Any advice for Cop play because this was my 2nd time playing Cop and first time getting a red check too.

I would give you advice, but I am possibly the worst cop/tracker player on TL.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 28 2015 01:01 GMT

#2475

On January 28 2015 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
I just wanna point out to the obs qt heroes that although I definitely made mistakes. I am insanely hard to lynch. And intimidating in the thread.

I am pretty sure Rso would have called me mafia for days in the obs qt, but in the game she was too timid and second guessed herself and I think a large part of that is because lynching me is fucking hard and intimidating.

That is just my personal rationale behind it. Like Rso called me out for various things correctly since day 2.

Eh, I woulda gone for you for sure, but I knew that was why geript was still alive. It was...insanely...obvious...when he was not the NK.

I was not at all lying about why I wanted a NL lol.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 28 2015 01:02 GMT

#2476

I didn't think I could lynch you without geript's support, though. -swt-

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

January 28 2015 01:09 GMT

#2477

On January 28 2015 10:02 rsoultin wrote:
I didn't think I could lynch you without geript's support, though. -swt-

you're not wrong about that.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 28 2015 01:12 GMT

#2478

yeah, pretty sure I'm not. Maybe with damdred. his poe threw me off badly -_- and he certainly wasn't interested in going against you for any reason at least when I was in thead

like, that was the part that threw me off the most about him

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 28 2015 01:17 GMT

#2479

On January 28 2015 07:08 geript wrote:

Show nested quote +

Rsoultin's issue literally was imo not reading/thinking. Like I explained 4-5-6-7 different things 4-5-6 different times and it never took. Like how Trfel could be mafia and not a good D1 lynch.

Also, FWIW, I don't like the Trfel check. I think that there were many other better checks at that point and Trfel was easily catchable. Next, don't fucking claim a check with the first post in a day. It literally makes the day like 90% worthless.

My interest was that he was the exception to the rule. Only mafia who wasn't a good lynch in your book. You kept saying you found reasons to read him both ways...which to me translates as null, not scum, so just drop him into the no-lynches.

I think the biggest problem is sometimes I don't articulate what I'm really trying to say correctly, so keep asking when the answer shows the question wasn't understood ><