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Am I correct to do this? | ||
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I'm terribly sorry if I'm modkilled. | ||
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i voted VA because it was too late for anyone else to get lynched. If i don't get modkilled, i will read everything and give my thoughts on n1. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:20 Half the Sky wrote: Mderg. Okay, now you are clearer, THAT I can explain. SL, Bats, OWS, Breshke. I have played 1-2 games with each of them before. Bats is a hard read. I have misread him in both games I've played with him. Sicklucker posts very erratic, he has done this in both games. Breskhe, one game played as town with him, and obs a game he was scum. Could not read him when he was scum. OWS, played one game and badly misread him. Wasn't sure how to interpret his indifference. Based on their posts in this game, and based on how I felt their posts were in prior games difficult to read. Not feeling different now except for SL tunnelling me and I don't understand his motives. i really hate listposts. Based on how i felt, based on past games, based on non-conclusive evidence, yadayada, no. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:20 Half the Sky wrote: Mderg. Okay, now you are clearer, THAT I can explain. SL, Bats, OWS, Breshke. I have played 1-2 games with each of them before. Bats is a hard read. Sicklucker posts very erratic, OWS, played one game and badly misread him. Wasn't sure how to interpret his indifference. Based on their posts in this game, basically stuff that he is saying if we take out all unnecessary meta fluff. sicklurker posts very erratic. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:33 batsnacks wrote: Please give read s on people other than VA in the time we have left. I don't care if you vote him but just hopping on the biggest wagon right now with no other reads is suboptimal for town. I hopped on VA wagon because i thought i had 1 minute to vote. Now, after reading through why people want VA lynched (couldn't care less about town, indifference, etc), which is exactly his town meta, I'm not voting him d1. I'm going for a stronger feel, which is Hts with his terrible listpost that usually tells when he thinks he need to artificially create content using other game metas which shouldn't really apply here as a listpost. Basically, everyone's d1 'meta' changes unless he delibrately writes the same way. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:41 sicklucker wrote: lalalipop since you havent read the thread please waste your vote on someone whos not getting voted out like me. Your not going to make the right decision you dont have the information so please do what I say if your town unless you have had time to read the whole thread well. it isn't really a big deal to miss out much of d1: most d1 lynches in all sites will come down to wagon hopping. Information in d1 is used as a comparison to d2, with the changes in n1 through PR uses and lynches. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:43 sicklucker wrote: lalapop whats your mafia experience? This will be my 16th forum mafia game, 15 from various mafia forums. But experience is not really an issue here. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:54 Half the Sky wrote: Second half for you Bats liancourt - I'm going to say null leaning town as he picked apart LS. batsnacks - I have misread you in both my games so far. I'm going to say null and here's why. Your thoughts on VA meta and willing to consider my reads, right now, but I don't understand what happened with you and OWS earlier. I also don't understand why you discouraged a vote on VA and then turned around and voted him after he complained on the community. lalalipop - null, came in a bit late. 1)May not be understanding the context of my post to scumread me the way he is. LightningStrike - null leaning scum, 2)quite a bit of fluff and didn't seem to be too interested in finding targets. Oatsmaster - null leaning town. Not posting a whole lot, but based on meta, he is acting the same way that he is when he was VT in Student Mafia. 1) Context wasn't really that important. I was more focused on how you crafted up arguments to be placed in your list post. Proper examples, no meta enforced reads, etc. 2) This applies to you as well. Your 3 page filter consists of fluff and defending. I can't find any scum hunting, or pushes, in your filters past half of d1. | ||
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On January 10 2015 16:16 liancourt wrote: The amount of defense on LS and obi is overwhelming. Even if it's mafia defending town it'll mean they're town and mafia wouldn't defend their own this hard so I'll reluctantly ignore them for now. Eden is prolly town for trying to at least figure out the game when the thread was in stalemate. Although I don't think oats is playing greatly like the aggressive town player he is there are others who are very unmemorable for example, drparnassus and breshke or even lala. Town Bats Me eden ls obi oats hts sl mderg scum drparnassus lala breshke i'll look into one of these 3 later sidenote: games in other forums takes a very long time, sometimes even months. This game is actually really fast paced in comparison. Sorry if I seemed very unmemorable/not posted much, I'll step up my posting. I have issues with your list post. I need justifications on each player thrown into the townpool (mderg, sl, bats, hts) and more justifications on the scumpool, other than being unmemorable, because that's a terrible way to pick out scum. There are many scum players, in fact most scum, who play really active and outmatches most town filtersize. Give actual evidence on why you think they're scum. In this case, you were just separating people into "posting a lot" and "not posting much". | ||
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eden's thought on liancourt + Show Spoiler + First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen. I don't know about the "letting the kill happen" part, but I had some doubts about liancourt as well. His d1 and d2 don't match up: he scumread obi/LS/VA (voted VA), but dismissed all 3 on d2 and took up 3 new targets, which were low hanging fruit for their low quantity posting. Why? I'll be watching him from now on. Also, that amount of bad posts from lian and obi from n1. Ugh. eden's thoughts on oatsmaster + Show Spoiler + Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left. Oatsmaster. I don't know where to begin. His case on VA was legit, and both oats and lian certainly did settle down on VA together. I need more content from him to decide what he is intending to do this game. eden's thoughts on SL and LS + Show Spoiler + - sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read. I don't agree with using activity and pushing lynch as a metric to decide if they are scum or not, for reasons I have explained. How would one decide if they were genuine? SL was just tunnelling for d1, while LS kept mentioning that he can't read bats/obi/hts. Eden's thoughts on HTS + Show Spoiler + - Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts. What about the part where HTS' s filter was just content-less, filled with meta reads? The entire filter just screams 'I'm trying to look like I have content!' to me. Eden's thoughts on batsnacks + Show Spoiler + - batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does. batsnacks felt like he was trying to control the flow of the game near end of d1, which makes me think he's trying to scumhunt and settle town down. +1 townpoint. Eden's thoughts on obi + Show Spoiler + - Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that. His n1 was toxic. Enough said. Overall, these are my thoughts about the people that eden mentioned. I will be giving my thoughts about the few orhers later, then decide on where they stand. | ||
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Just got back and WTF I have votes on me. HTS got modkilled. ... This is just a random lynch. Can we get a direction? Meanwhile, I will vote on people who post listposts with 0 clarification. | ||
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sicklurker + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2015 12:27 sicklucker wrote: Breske ninja voted me. Like unless its like a pure pressure vote its so weird. Ive played like 30 days of mafia with breske and hes never voted me even tho he scum read me for like 25 of those days. And now hes voting me for such a weak reason. Does anyone else honestly think im scum so far? There no mafia motivation for me to push this hard day 1. I have no potential partner being voted because no ones voted yet A hts and breske team could be a thing. I don't get it, how did SL get from hts/breske scumteam to hts/oats scumteam? He even said that oats should not be lynched for having a filter size larger than his scum filter in carol. Wishy washy scumreads? Why? LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2015 01:19 LightningStrike wrote: I had nothing because I can't read sicklucker this game so far and OWS and Bats aren't readable for me too :| Another player I don't understand. He have 0 reads, he basically sheeped all. Then, he claimed VT, which is the worst thing to ever claim in a game of mafia. Why? Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler + Attacks VA, move to DrP in 9 hours, want to lynch him because On January 11 2015 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote: nononono vote drp, who is actually posting BUT DOING NOTHING AT ALL. and admittedly lurking. Classic mafia tell. Has a 2 page filter full of 1 liners, yet nobody really thought about lynching him. Why? Breshke + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2015 22:35 Breshke wrote: People jumping on the HTS wagon feels scummy because i dont get why she is scummy it makes no sense to me and im sticking to this unlike VA. Lala seems like a good alternative has done legit nothing. Will be back home tomorrow can be mpre useful. Will be around EoD hopefully so if people have cases on HTS post it cos im not seein it Tunnels on SL on d1, changes vote to VA while still tunnelling on SL, then voting the low hanging fruits (low quantity posters) on d2. I don't have a good feeling about breshke. Might be scum. liancourt + Show Spoiler + Refuses to answer my query about his listpost, refusing to give any clarification. Resorted to RNG lynch on someone in d2. I don't like him at all. batsnacks + Show Spoiler + I thought batsnacks looked pretty townie from his way of directing us towards a lynch at d1, but he just disappeared at d2. Null on him now. DrP + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2015 15:02 DrParnassus wrote: I'll be honest, I still don't really have scumreads even halfway into D2. I do have a few pretty solid town reads but thats it. I'm gonna be reading filters now starting with eden because he caught my attention earlier Honestly, DrP is just hts, without annoying meta reads, nor heavy sheeping. I don't feel good about him. Just feels like he is coasting through d1/d2, just staying alive. Pretty scummy. Eden + Show Spoiler + My town leader for making that awesome listpost that I even based my reads on. Very detailed and in depth analysis. mderg + Show Spoiler + VERY tunnelled on hts. Basically 75% of his posts concern HtS in some way or another. I don't see scum being so tunnelled. However, that doesn't clear him as town. Basically null, leaning town. ObiwanShinobi + Show Spoiler + I really need someone to explain how obi got from On January 09 2015 11:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: At any rate, I don't think lian is mafia. I don't like Oats fucking off here but it's not really scummy. It's just kind of annoying because I want to know what he thinks. The most important thing I remembered from VA was the fact that he mentioned how LS was changing sides for poor reasoning but I need to go back and confirm it. That's probably where I'm going to look next. to On January 09 2015 16:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm just going to assume that both lian and batsnacks are both mafia from this point on since the two of them are making the thread toxic and making the game unplayable for no reason whatsoever. I can only see this mindset coming from mafia and I refuse to believe these two people are actually this shitty for real. in just 2 posts, 1 feom bats and 1 from lian. Meanwhile, he goes for DrP. Complaining about thread atmosphere, going for easy target. Isn't this classic scum? Conclusion: + Show Spoiler + Eden>mderg> SL> LS> bats> oats> obi> DrP> lian | ||
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Conclusion: + Show Spoiler + eden > mderg> SL> LS> bats> oats> breshke> obi> DrP> lian | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Here's why: you have way too many unexplained scumreads and it looks like you're ignoring parts of peoples filters rather than trying to grasp the whole picture. I have 3 scumreads... way too many? I also never included anything from first half of d1. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: SL is actually a claimed role but you somehow still don't have a read on him. You've ignored the entirety of the lian/me interaction in favor of saying "I'm just complaining about thread atmosphere." You've listed me in a scumteam with lian when it's obvious that we can't be a team. Your proposed team (if you can even call it that, since you have a team made up of half the game) doesn't make any sense and you're open to way too many lynches at once. what? I called scum on half the game? can you point out where I called scum on half the game? If I'm not mistaken, I have 3 scumreads. Meanwhile, I just have doubts about the rest, because there's questionable content in everyone's filter. The only people who cant be a scum team is VA and anyone. Don't tell me scum cannot fake a fight. I'm not saying you're complaining about atmosphere in your interaction with liancourt. It comes more from this: On January 09 2015 16:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm just going to assume that both lian and batsnacks are both mafia from this point on since the two of them are making the thread toxic and making the game unplayable for no reason whatsoever. I can only see this mindset coming from mafia and I refuse to believe these two people are actually this shitty for real. I'm ignoring the interaction you had with lian because i cant be arsed to force myself to read that fight. Thanks to lian. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I was under the impression that you had Oats/Breshke as possible lynches. Am I mistaken? definitely mistaken. Bothered to read the Conclusion that I even color coded for you? I just don't have great feelings about breshke, while I'm asking everyone who oats is never considered. Done. Not my scumreads. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: They're not actually unexplained: just badly explained. Either way, I don't like them. Read their filter for the explanation, if you don't think liancourt is scumm for his d1 end/d2 filter, I'll go eat a sock | ||
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lian is not mafia in any case -> lian and bats are mafia for toxicity -> DrP needs to be lynched for lurking ? This is the only reason I'm scumreading you. You had a fight with lian, where you state that lian can't be mafia in any case because you sort of understand his case. However, you just decide to thinl that bat/lian are mafia for posting 1 post each in between your 'lian is not mafia' and 'lian/bat is mafia' posts. This is something I don't understand. Are you gloating them to play better? Or are you done with lian's toxicity despite being fine with it, calling him not mafia? If you're really not happy with lian, why aren't you pushing him, but pushing DrP now for lurking? Isn't it a better choice to go for lian since you think he is mafia for playing badly/toxicitiy? Or do you think he can't be mafia after all? | ||
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SL is actually a claimed role but you somehow still don't have a read on him. I'm not hunting for pr, why should I care what role SL claims? (he explicitly claimed it, but I don't buy that) | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not pushing drp. I'm wary of my read on lian because I don't know if I'd lynch him for personal reasons or not, and I know I try to lynch people who piss me off. I'm kind of on the fence because I can see scum motivation for shitting up the thread, but at the same time I don't think mafia would be so blatant about trying to make enemies. you need to provide a conclusion. If you have a gun over liancourt's head, are you going to shoot or drop the gun? | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:23 sicklucker wrote: I dont care because im not a very useful role. Ill just say that im not the cop. Im not a veg because I would have shot. Im a confirmed town you should all sheep because no ones scum hunting except on obi who Is a likely town. I don't buy it because our rb just got killed and assuming mafia is 3 goon, there will be a useful role + rb. In the worst case scenario, 3 mafia pr. 3-4 town pr. rb dead, 2-3 more pr. pr talk aside, his claim just feel like "I don't want to play anymore so if I don't die on n2 then lynch me" more than "yolo". | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So what? Do you think he's going to intentionally make his own life harder by claiming a role for no reason as mafia or what? More like he have intentionally made his life easier since nobody cares if he is in the thread anymore. He is a claimed pr. Claiming because his pr is 'useless'. He also talked about how he claimed just to waste mafia shots/abilities. Both town and scum can claim here. I have been assuming that there was 3 scum since its standard for 12-14 player mafia games. What if there were 4 mafia? He could have claimed for giggles since the game was boring anyway. In any case, if he lives for very long, will you start to suspect him? if your answer is no, then this claim is not suboptimal. | ||
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Will see if I gain a new perspective later on. | ||
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obi, if you will shoot him, you're going to lynch him. Its the same thing. | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If nobody cares in the thread anymore then what's the point of him claiming a role as mafia? I don't see how this means anything. Duh. This is the exact reason we are telling you his claim is bad. It makes absolutely no sense to claim there as scum in order to get his lynch of choice, especially since it means he lives forever and will eventually be suspected due to not dying as a claimed role. I don't think the objective of his claim was to get a lynch of his choice. Rather, it was to avoid being lynched. Claiming a useless role so that its still possible for him to stay alive since shooting a useless blue = shooting random townie, while he don't have to scream "roleblocked!!!" for the rest of the game. If he was town, he is helping mafia since mafia will let him stay alive and let us kill him for them. | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nobody was lynching him. Your read doesn't make any sense. the tunnels on him were pretty real though | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:36 batsnacks wrote: Let's vote LS. lol really? | ||
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why would i? Liancourt is definitely a better choice imo (even though I had lots of trouble placing LS anywhere on my list) | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:39 mderg wrote: How about you guys vote oats. Or maybe make some shenannies on lian happen. I don't know how to read oats. Are you sure about oats? | ||
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Im voting oats because I don't like being lynched as town, especially my first game in TL. Also, dince mderg thinks its a better lynch than lian/LS | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't really see what the case is on Oats. I'm not entirely sure why people are voting him. what's the case on me then? | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Your reads don't make sense and you have too many people as questionable for shoddy reasons. then go ahead and show me why they arent as questionable as i imagined. | ||
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I'm still up to kill lian btw, he is still one of my top scumreads. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:57 LightningStrike wrote: Also when a Mafia call a player Town it like almost certain that they are really are town. I'm popping in for 10 minutes to say that this comment is not valid. | ||
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On January 15 2015 04:07 LightningStrike wrote: Okay explain how it's not valid then? It's a rule of thumb I learned from experience with playing with vets. It's normally applied to the weakers as far I can tell. Look at it this way, when mafia calls someone town, that someone can be A) Town or B) Mafia. If the person is A) Town, the mafia probably did it either as an excuse to show he had tons of reads, or he have plotted some stupid strategy to kill that guy off so that he looks very good for the death. Or, he don't want to call that person mafia since its hard to do so. If the person is B) Mafia, the mafia probably did it either to fill in the gaps (most mafia go for some townreads on mafia and some scumreads on the other mafias) or he did it because that person is the weaker player in their team, and would flip mafia. He would gain town cred too. Even from a mathematical perspective, 11 town 3 mafia, to call someone town (given you called 3 person mafia, regardless of which 3), it would be 11/14 chance anyone would be called town if he is mafia. Of course, how good the town player is will heavily affect this statistic (less scum will call a good player mafia, they're fighting uphills to lynch him) | ||
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SL claimed all the roles there were. If eden flipped mafia i would be really sad. He is my top town. | ||
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On January 15 2015 04:20 LightningStrike wrote: Fair enough. Also can you tell me your reads before you go? lynch from here first: Lian DrP Lynch here if there is good reason/PoE: batsnacks mderg Try not to lynch: Eden SL Do not lynch: LS | ||
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Lian didn't carry out the kp at night according to SL. If we were to trust SL on that information (SL could be a team with lian), by PoE, we can narrow the 1 possible scum to mderg/eden/bats. (its still possible for lian to be mafia, just that he didn't carry out the kp) HOWEVER, 1 other case exists, where SL claimed almost everything, from vet to tracker, as a ploy to fish out a CC. They have nailed the town rb, the vig have came out, so SL can claim whatever hell he wants if he is scum. If he is just a goon, having him dead for CC is still a good trade. I'm deciding which scenario is more likely, and I think that its more likely that theres one scum in mderg/eden/bats. Comparing these 3, I would lynch mderg> bats> eden. Losing eden would mean town loses a direction and if eden was town, lynching him would end the game anyway. If he was scum though, then he must read his PM wrongly and helped town. Bats was great in d1, but quickly descended to 'losing interest' by d3. Can't see much scum motivation to just fuck it and afk when scum just shot a pr. mderg is the more likely candidate here. Most people have a scumteam consisting of mderg as well, so a lynch on mderg would have a higher chance to get scum at this scrappy game. If everyone thinks of the same thing, then they must have suspected it,, right? | ||
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