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On January 04 2015 16:07 Eden1892 wrote: /in | ||
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/sheep Obi ##VOTE: LightningStrikes | ||
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On January 07 2015 06:51 LightningStrike wrote: Really guys just because I used a generic opener doesn't make me scum -.- Eden why the hell you sheeping already because it's like 20 mins since the game started? How long have you played here and how many games have you played? | ||
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On January 07 2015 06:57 LightningStrike wrote: 4 Complete games and playing my 5th and 6th games currently. What about you? n1'd as town in 2/4 games, won as town on d3 in another, endgamed as town in world heavyweight 3 because I was a total scrub and sucked badly. Also got to d6 in my one mafia game but got lynched at 3p lylo Sounds like you've been here long enough. Why are you so antsy about Obi's and my posts? | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:01 sicklucker wrote: You always out your role on game one, like in literally everygame. So please keep that to a minimum its not good for town ...he didn't do that this game though? And what's wrong with it anyway? | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote: I really don't think this is relevant. So anyway LS why did you seem to take oats and edens "joke" posts so seriously but just skimmed over mine in which i infer you and SL are scum. It makes me think you were purposely overreacting. Can you explain what about it makes you think the overreaction is purposeful? I don't really see the motive for doing something like that intentionally. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:59 sicklucker wrote: Breske your terrible. Me wanting someone to fix a part of their game that they play incorrect makes me confirmed town. If I was scum I would not coach the least confident town I would kill him Silly silly Goodnight How would you know he's the least confident town if you're town? You shouldn't know which players are town and which are mafia yet. And how do you know LS is town? | ||
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On January 07 2015 13:47 27ninjabunnies wrote: Helllooooooo Boys and Girls, Lovers and Mothers, and so on and so forth. I just got off of work, so I get to have the opportunity to catch up. This post is so filler. #Idgaf However, first things first: For those who are around, give me the two most interesting (game related preferred, but doesn't have to be) things that has happened so far. Kthanks. Two most interesting things for sure to me were: - Something Breshke said about intentional overreaction or what have you - sicklucker's ?maybe? scumslip I mentioned both in my filter, feel free to check it out. Alternatively I'll be commenting on both of them in a bit | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:36 Breshke wrote: It is really based in nothing but so LS overreacts to something. Various people tell him to not take it seriously and when he posts about it again he seems to still be taking it seriously. I post something dumb inferring him and SL are scum and he doesn't even respond to it so i can only assume he isn't taking it seriously. There is a chance he didn't even see it but he seems eager to play so i assume he is reading every post. There is clearly a different reaction here hence why I think he could easily be faking it. As to why he would fake it is because i think LS is very aware of his own meta and taking everything seriously would align more with how he plays as town. Breshke, do you stand by this? LightningStrike and a couple other people have given some alternative explanations. | ||
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On January 07 2015 11:39 Eden1892 wrote: How would you know he's the least confident town if you're town? You shouldn't know which players are town and which are mafia yet. And how do you know LS is town? sicklucker gets my vote until he answers this. The problems with it are twofold: 1. He's talking about something LightningStrike didn't even do yet, so any sort of town-based merit in coaching LS about this doesn't apply, because he's town "coaching" LS not to do something LS already wasn't doing. 2. Seriously, how does this guy know LS is the "least confident town" unless he already knows who the townies are? The way it reads is so natural, like he didn't even have to think about who the other town were to make that assessment. Put yourself in his shoes, if you're going to declare someone the "least confident town" then you surely will have first thought to compare his confidence with the other townies. If you're town you go "Oh, well, wait, I don't know who the townies are, guess I can't say this." If you're mafia you already know who they are and you skip straight to making that comparison without even thinking "Hey, wait, if I'm town I shouldn't know this." This seems like a decent enough place to start. ##VOTE: sicklucker | ||
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On January 07 2015 15:38 Breshke wrote: No, read the thread i've already said i believe him when he said he didn't see my post My bad, missed it. That checks out | ||
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On January 07 2015 23:38 sicklucker wrote: Eden might be mafia. Scum reading me for this is bad but voting me for it is terrible. He didnt early vote in are last game together Well, that's false. I voted Chyz about 2 hours into that game. You planning to address my concerns, SL? You know I'm more than capable of being fair in interpreting your responses, but I can't even begin to work with you to understand where you're coming from if your response to my questions is deflection and lies. The vote stands. | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:45 sicklucker wrote: Your concerns are bad eden like what do you want me to adress? I love when we play 21 qeustions How do you know LightningStrike is the "least confident" town? Seeing as this requires you to know who all the town are, you can understand why this interests me so much. | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't actually see the point of SL's case tbh. Same. This doesn't appear to be an uncommon sentiment. Source: Imperial Mafia (you're reading along with that, right?) | ||
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##UNVOTE Pretty sure right now I could kill anyone outside of Obi, bunnies, batsnacks and sicklucker though. | ||
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Half the Sky Oatsmaster liancourt DrParnassus lalalipop VayneAuthority mderg I felt like lynching liancourt but I can't tell how much of that was kneejerk reaction to him being a jerk. Oatsmaster is probably the best kill out of the people I can remember from that list, pretty sure he's done nothing but take issue with how bunnies is trying to get her reads (which early in d1 is kind of a dumb thing to complain about IMO, you do what you have to do d1 to get something going). Everyone else isn't memorable, mderg and HTS are the only ones of the 5 I even remember seeing post. | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I actually have a problem with this read. I don't see why he wouldn't do this as either alignment so I don't know how it could affect your opinion of him. Huh. Yeah, true, I guess he would either way. Idk, he just seems like he's trying to be more helpful than he was in Imperial, and he was town in Imperial, so I had him as town again. (Hence the bit about mafia priors; unless he's known for trying harder as mafia than as town, it seems like him trying harder in this game than another one where he flipped town should = town.) | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:01 Breshke wrote: Eden why aren't I on either of your lists? i forgot about you LOL you're not in the not-kill pile. srrynotsrry | ||
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Time heals all wounds~ | ||
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Reading filter I can see why; not much said, even less of interest. One thought though. Vayne: Why do you think that liancourt was intentionally distorting what LightningStrike was saying? This idea seems to follow from the notion that liancourt is mafia for his post attacking LightningStrike, but you don't explain where you think it's intentional. This is, of course, an important distinction; liancourt is being a bit of an ass, and for whatever reason that's considered townie on TL, so it's important to distinguish between "hardheaded jerk townie misrepresenting things out of a genuine conviction of the target's guilt" and "mafia distorting a townie's words to make them a viable mislynch." | ||
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On January 08 2015 14:33 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other but you extort somone's post to make them look scummy or discredit them. It seems he opted to do both there. I don't follow on what you mean by intentional, as making a post on it pretty much makes it intentional by definition. liancourt posted the beginnings of a case on LightningStrike. In it, he interpreted LightningStrike's various comments a certain way. That way makes LightningStrike look bad, and may or may not be an accurate way of interpreting the comments. There are multiple layers to the last sentence: is liancourt accurately interpreting LightningStrike's comments or not, and if not, is this inaccuracy intentional? Your statement that liancourt is scummy for trying to distort LightningStrike's intentions presupposed not only inaccuracy but intentional inaccuracy. I'm asking you to demonstrate how, because while I can believe liancourt's interpretation is inaccurate, I'm not sold it's intentional. Town and mafia both make inaccurate interpretations of others' posts, so you're going to have to demonstrate intent to make your case, and again, on a read of liancourt's post I don't necessarily see it. On January 08 2015 14:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Still figuring out the second part, I don't really give a shit if we lynch town on day 1 its not a big deal. uh, explain this please. Believe it or not I think I have a reasonable explanation of this^ comment, but I'm not supplying it for Vayne until he gives his own answer. | ||
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There are other issues with that post but I'll leave it for a moment. | ||
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On January 08 2015 21:27 batsnacks wrote: It's different this game. He's less sincere about his incoherent ideas. They are forced. Different this game compared to which? I didn't see a significant change from Imperial. And are you saying sicklucker is the kill? I think Vayne is probably the kill for reasons I'll explain in a bit. If you want sicklucker instead you're gonna have to sell me on it. | ||
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I'm planning to kill VA as of now, because VA seemed just serious enough to be playing the game while still being pretty apathetic about the actual outcome. Meant to say this hours ago but I fell asleep. vote VA (real vote in vote thread) | ||
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On January 09 2015 10:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I spent the majority of today posting at work via phone. How is that even lazy. How do you even. Plot twist: he's your manager and talking about your work ethic on the job | ||
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Upshot of having done jack-all so far is that no one in their right minds will nightkill me, so I can catch up after the night flips and do a vca/etc. with one more flip. Since I got work around EOD that's what I'll be doing, see you guys around 11:30 CST | ||
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On January 10 2015 07:44 Damdred wrote: ninjabunnies she was the office slit Harsh | ||
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On January 10 2015 14:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm off work but I've got stuff to do tomorrow. Couple of thoughts: Eden is posting the absolute bare minimum to get by and really shouldn't be allowed to do so, especially when he's so hyperactive and headstrong as town. I'm not sure how I feel about batsnacks and lian atm. I'm sure personal preference might have colored my reads so I'm going to let those thoughts do their own thing for a little while. I might come back with more reads tonight but I probably won't. I'll be around intermittently until tomorrow night when I can sit down and do things. baw hush i am literally typing a post rn :D | ||
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On January 09 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote: Final Vote Count Day 1 LightningStrike (0): sicklucker (0): liancourt (0): VayneAuthority (8): liancourt, Half the Sky, Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, batsnacks, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, Oatsmaster (1): 27ninjabunnies Half the Sky (3): mderg, sicklucker, 27ninjabunnies (0): Currently, VayneAuthority is set to be lynched with 5 votes. until deadline. First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups  In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys. Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon. First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen. Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left. === Other notes: - sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read. - Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts. - batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does. - Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that. === That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with. Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats Mafia: Oats, lian TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc | ||
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Additionally, if I'm right and HTS and VA were both town, mafia has no reason to push any particular lynch. They just want to cook up something plausible-sounding to get on the board and get a vote down. If their reasoning is contradictory, so much the better, it's harder to trace them to each other. And finally, even if the objection made sense and you couldn't be liancourt's partner, I don't really care. I analyzed you both as individuals and found you suspicious. The observation that neither of you argued with one another despite having contradictory reasoning doesn't tie you two together as partners, but it is suspicious of both of you individually. I'm going to kill individuals on their own demerits and not care about partners unless I see something more compelling, because "X and Y can't be partners because of ABC" is so easy to game in my experience (and one of my main weaknesses in my analyses as town) that it's not worth considering on its own. | ||
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On January 10 2015 16:16 liancourt wrote: The amount of defense on LS and obi is overwhelming. Even if it's mafia defending town it'll mean they're town and mafia wouldn't defend their own this hard so I'll reluctantly ignore them for now. Eden is prolly town for trying to at least figure out the game when the thread was in stalemate. Although I don't think oats is playing greatly like the aggressive town player he is there are others who are very unmemorable for example, drparnassus and breshke or even lala. i'll look into one of these 3 later How's the defending of LS/obi "overwhelming" if the thread is "in stalemate"...? Seems like a stalled out thread would be more receptive to a push on your suspects, not less. And what's with the soft defense of Oats? You appear to use meta as a primary tool of evaluating people, yet you're disregarding what your analysis of the meta is apparently telling you. Instead you're scumreading my nulls for being unmemorable. Do you have any actual reason why they're mafia? | ||
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On January 10 2015 18:15 liancourt wrote: Yes thats pretty much what i did. And look i got u to post something defensive I'm in your town pile and agree with him. Please consider | ||
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On January 11 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote: I sorry I forgot to say I was going to play a in a Yugioh Tournament today T_T Anyone here want to talk? Yeah, we need to talk sson. Drop that shit like the bad habit it is and play MTG. Serious posting will come after work, I got told off by my boss today for trying to sneak a peek at TL so no more work-lurk for me | ||
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Vote Oats | ||
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K I vote u bby Jk I'm gonna sheep you, that cool? | ||
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I can't right now, still at work and sneaking posts. Of the viable wagons lala is the only one I don't townread so I'm voting it. No time to do anything more involved | ||
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Lets do it Moving vote | ||
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Secondly. I guess with Oats flipping theres nothing else to push... Lol Breshke why did you move to LS out of the blue? That looks really weird since you ended up on Oats at the end. | ||
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On January 12 2015 07:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Whatever, no more talking about it. Let the blues do their thing. This is true. I'm still on mobile and about to go back to work, hmu if you wanna chat real quick. Follow me on Twitter @NotTheFakeEden1892 | ||
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On January 13 2015 07:47 sicklucker wrote: Ya sure. Im pretty sure town has auto ty Ls. We have 3 kills. We kill mderg, eden and dr/ We win the game loli is probably town because breske didnt vote oats. Roles should claim Town Bats lian loli Ls Unkowns eden dr mderg This list is not good. I think liancourt is mafia. Case incoming. | ||
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First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen. liancourt never had a satisfactory reply to this, which I think is pretty damning on its own. It's even more damning when we look at the Day 2 vote count. On January 12 2015 06:58 Trfel wrote: Final Vote Count Day 2 ObiWanShinobi (0): Half the Sky (0): LightningStrike (1): lalipop (4): DrParnassus (2): Oatsmaster, liancourt, Oatsmaster (4): liancourt (0): Oatsmaster has been lynched! Presuming for the moment that lalalipop is town, we have two town wagons at the end of d2, and liancourt is... voting for DrParnassus. Who he literally discusses once in d2 (calls DrP unmemorable). I'm serious, read his filter, that's it. He doesn't even say he voted for DrP. He said he was going to RNG vote sicklucker, and I'm not sure if that was a joke or something he intended to do but didn't, because he doesn't say anything else about his suspects that day. He certainly doesn't push DrP. He just wastes his vote on an outlier for a reason that sounds good, but instead of pushing that good reason to get a lynch he just... does nothing. ##VOTE: liancourt | ||
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- LightningStrike confirmed town. - lalalipop is almost certainly town. Breshke would have voted Oatsmaster if lalalipop were mafia; attracting attention to himself by blatantly dodging the two wagons just doesn't make any sense for him to do. You either vote Oatsmaster to save your partner or you vote lalalipop to get towncred for the bus, you don't pick some middle route that doesn't affect anything. Him doing so only makes sense if lalalipop was also town and neither wagon looked good for a mafia to jump on. - DrP, mderg and batsnacks are the only other ones left. batsnacks left me with some townie vibes on d1, I haven't gotten a great impression from any of the 3 since (but admittedly I haven't paid much attention). I'll read them and try to narrow this down. | ||
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On January 14 2015 00:04 sicklucker wrote: So eden from your pov your 3 kills are bats , lian and mderg? Lets just kill mderg first? If we miss on mderg that means the mafia team has to be one of bats/lian or you/dr Why dont you just want to kill mderg first. Is it because hes your mafia partner? No, I want to kill lian first because he's the guy I have a case for. Show me a case on mderg and we can talk about it. So far you've said you could buy my case on lian, but then ignored it and went on with your reads anyway. And since the role shenanigans died down without definitive resolution, sicklucker is town; he's fakeclaimed like this before in Imperial, as has been noted. The thing here isn't whether or not the fakeclaim is legit at all, or whether any trap he was trying to set makes sense when you think about it. It's that sicklucker was trying to set a trap at all. Mafia don't do that with role shenanigans as a general rule: the entire mindset of "set a trap with shenanigans to catch mafia" is almost exclusively a townie mindset, and doing it with roles is even more difficult (for mafia) because it might bait a cop check on principle. If someone can point me to where sicklucker does this as mafia then I'll reconsider, but I just can't see mafia ever doing this. It's too convoluted and chancey from a mafia POV. With that said, I think batsnacks's response to sicklucker's claims was suspicious: On January 14 2015 01:56 batsnacks wrote: It was pretty clear to me. Clear enough to realize immediately, without asking the host, that you were lying. I can't unvote you after that so if you're town you just screwed up bad. This is bad for two reasons. One, by this point it's been well-established that sicklucker routinely fakeclaims as town to set traps for the mafia. It doesn't matter if they were poorly set up, like I said before: the fact that he tried it at all more or less confirms him town. batsnacks appears to be making his evaluation not based on whether the motivation for the trap was town or mafia, but on the quality of the apparent trap, which itself is not alignment-indicative. That means he isn't genuinely trying to discern whether or not sicklucker is town, he's looking for a plausible-sounding reason to put a vote down. "He fakeclaimed" is precisely the kind of mediocre policy-lynch that nonetheless is popular on TL which fits what he wants. And two, the last part, the "I can't unvote you" thing. Bullshit! You can vote or unvote for whomever you want. This looks like a justification to park his vote and leave. sicklucker is bleeding town and this guy wants to park his vote there because of an unreasonable hangup over a fakeclaim? I don't believe him. @SL, since (I think) you asked earlier: My lynch list right now is liancourt/batsnacks then batsnacks/liancourt. I don't have a third yet. | ||
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On January 14 2015 03:28 sicklucker wrote: Mderg heres a motive for you switching the vote of loli. Both you and eden seriously want lian dead. This seems silly to me. If you're actually a PR, you know there almost certainly aren't any other positive-utility town PRs (roleblocker + vigilante + whatever) remaining. That makes liancourt VT. Why would mderg care about killing liancourt over anyone else if mderg is mafia and liancourt has no special power? | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote: That has nothing to with what I said about mderg eden. Mderg asked why he would switched his vote from loli to oats. That doesn't actually explain why he would switch the vote though. You realize this, right? What is your actual case on mderg? I asked you for this earlier. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:38 batsnacks wrote: I don't believe that breshke rbed obiwan. There is nothing believable about SL's claim(s) and it is intensely irritating because he's probably town. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:35 batsnacks wrote: DrP because it's d2 and I don't remember any of his posts or votes. Also breshke was lurky and playing really neutral too and I think they have that in common. Who you want to lynch Eden? liancourt AKA the guy I'm voting lol Eh. I could kill him by POE except that I have four POE targets and only 3 lynches. I would rather liancourt or batsnacks because I think they're mafia for reasons already stated. And POE is fine and all, but I don't actually know why you townread anyone except yourself, LightningStrike and lalalipop, so I can't really sign off on that. Especially since the two people I think are actually mafia are in your town pile... I don't buy it, batsnacks isn't a bad player | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote: What is POE? I never heard the term before that's all. Process Of Elimination Later in the game you can often figure out how to win the game not by finding and killing mafia suspects but by finding and not killing people you believe are town. As an example, supposing sicklucker is right about his reads, he has 5 townies out of 8 alive: himself, you, lalalipop, liancourt and batsnacks. That leaves 3 people, 2 of which are mafia. We have one mislynch left, so he can afford to miss once, and because we assume he's right about his reads, he can kill the 3 people who are still possibly mafia by POE and win. It's a pretty cool thing except when your town reads are wrong. I think sicklucker's reads on liancourt and batsnacks are wrong, so I really don't want to POE-lynch his list. Likewise, because I only have 4 town (you, sicklucker, lalalipop and me), I can't just POE-lynch my list, because we have only one ML and, assuming I'm right about my town reads, two town in my POE list. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:11 batsnacks wrote: Here's a lazy case on LS that people should criticize me for:
Above are LS's posts about oats in order from earliest to most recent. LS originally town read oats because of meta, which I pointed out at the time was useless because oats plays exactly the same every game. Notice oats going from LS's "BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGG town read [sic]" to null in an instant, then LS votes him. So LS is mafia. I'm convinced vote batsnacks | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:20 batsnacks wrote: I can't do something if you're not receptive to the somethings I'm doing. Well I'm not receptive to lynching the un-cc'd vig so | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:36 sicklucker wrote: Like i dont get the bats or lian mafia case here. But bats is playing so bad I might have to vote him to save myself. you dont vote uncced roles everrrrr 1) "save yourself"? You're not in any danger that I see. 2) What don't you get about the cases? Be specific because I'm pretty sure I can convince you | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:45 sicklucker wrote: Bats the mafia team is eden mderg and breske. This isint rocket science. At least in my world you and lian are so town that theres no other option. Stop being a donkey and explain how batsnacks and liancourt are town and/or what problem you have with my case. You could be right on mderg (though you haven't proven anything about him) but I know you're wrong on me so you're wasting your margin of error on this nonsense. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:47 DrParnassus wrote: sicklucker please explain the loli thing to me before I have to go I'll do it instead since SL apparently isn't in an explaining mood. If lalalipop is mafia then the d2 wagons were mafia/mafia. Oatsmaster only went on a late tiebreaker -- Breshke switching off of lalalipop onto a 3rd party. If Breshke and lalalipop are partners, Breshke probably isn't on lalalipop in the first place and he's definitely not switching to a 3rd party and hoping for no vote switches; he's moving onto Oatsmaster to ensure his teammate gets saved or, alternatively, he's not moving to get that bus cred. So Breshke's vote move makes no sense if lalalipop is mafia, ergo lalalipop is town | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:49 batsnacks wrote: Eden what do you think about DrP? Not much yet, his read on me is correct for the right reasons. I need to read more from him to be sure but I think if he's mafia it would be easy for him to just follow SL. Call him slight town until I get a chance to go over him again | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:56 batsnacks wrote: Follow SL? I think that's a -lot- harder than you're making it out to be.  but seriously This means you think mderg is town or what? Why does mafia want to follow SL and not you? Here's where I'm at right now: - liancourt is mafia - I thought you were mafia too but you're starting to care now, which is making me reconsider. - If you're mafia then duh, everyone else is town, we can go home now. - If you're town then DrP and mderg are the kills by POE. Mafia wants to follow the un-cc'd pr over the vt, especially when aforesaid pr has had more thread presence this game thus far than the vt. | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:13 LightningStrike wrote: Are you suggesting that I had a big ammount of thread presence even though I don't think I do? Talking about sicklucker | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:15 batsnacks wrote: Okay you said lian is definitely mafia and your case is great (by far the best case there is right now other than my LS case), but here's the thing: mderg AND DrP are both voting mderg, and there is no case on mderg. The only person who has bothered to give reasons for mderg being scum is lian. Can you restate from "mderg AND DrP ..." for me? Didn't see mderg self voting If you mean liancourt then shrug. Maybe they're busing maybe one of my town reads is wrong. Maybe you're mafia and in my head right now. When I'm not on mobile I'll think more on it, too busy ATM to think about it more than surface impressions | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:05 sicklucker wrote: I mostly ignored it because I think your mafia and hes obv town? Ill give it a good read before vote time and all of lians filter which is really the only filter ive ignored for awhile. How the hell is he obvious town? | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote: He tried. No one else really did. He also lurked in his other mafia game. Will look into it more tormorow He's tried less than I have and I wouldn't describe most of my d1-d2 play as trying very hard. You gotta be kiddin me brah. | ||
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On January 14 2015 18:38 sicklucker wrote: Like lians town guys lol. There was no reason to bus breske at this point of the game alot of people were town reading him btw. Good shot Putting somebody in your mafia pile and literally never interacting with them or trying to get them killed is a bus? You're making the point even better with this, if anything putting someone who is mafia but widely townread as a suspect and then never interacting with them is more suspicious not less. On January 14 2015 18:39 sicklucker wrote: Oh ya this is the post where I town read him. Like mafia would never say this. Why not? On January 14 2015 18:43 sicklucker wrote: Ok like holy crap that didnt take long and im even more sure that im right. Lian is doing his normal play I have no idea how hes gotten 4 votes I think your feelings are just hurt. How about reading the fucking case on him and addressing it? God you're a donkey sometimes. You still haven't bothered to look at it, have you? | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:56 liancourt wrote: eden ur thoughts on mderg and drp and u keep fencing bats read, but u always end as leaning town or slight town. and u really really really hard hard hard defended that lala is town through vote analysis alone. Yes SL has also mentioned this. You put a lot of effort into defending lala but didnt mention lala content wise at all...ever in the game. ur only ever scum read was oats and me. Considering i'm scum in ur eyes who is the remaining one. And when i flip town who is the hypo scum team left? Already given thoughts on mderg and DrP. If you're town they're probably both mafia by POE. Neither of them seem all that suspicious to me, but with SL/LS/lala/me as town, the only other possibility is batsnacks, who... I haven't hedged my bats read, I thought he was mafia #2 yesterday afternoon/evening but his posting after that was pretty good IMO. He's probably town, I don't think I'm going to kill him. I haven't mentioned lala contentwise because I didn't have time to play during d2 when s/he finally said something and the vote results + Breshke's flip pretty much cleared him/her. I haven't had to. This kind of questioning is a decent example of why liancourt is mafia. Aside from the lala point it's all just asking me to rehash what's already in my filter; the lala point looks like a decent question on the surface but actually isn't; and none of it seems to be leading anywhere useful. It's like I'm being quizzed to test my knowledge of my own reads. On January 14 2015 23:53 DrParnassus wrote: one more i need to see more stuff from eden before I can decide on the lynch so please get some stuff out of him between now and deadline. goodnight. What more stuff? I've produced the most meaningful content this phase. My reads are pretty easy to find in my filter. What's your hangup with lynching liancourt, if you have one, and if not why not vote for him? | ||
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And my manager today is more lax on phone use DrP's recent activity doesn't particularly impress me. He flip-flopped on me for no reason I can see; just last night he says I'm probably town because my reads conflicted with prevailing sentiment, now he says I'm mafia because ??? He hasn't done anything in his recent set of posts to make me think he's town, so he's still in my POE kill pile | ||
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Lets do it this way. If you don't like me POEing the game, which of the following townreads am I wrong on? - batsnacks - sicklucker - LightningStrike - lalalipop If it's batsnacks like you say then who's the other partner and why? And why do you think batsnacks is more mafia for his posting of late? | ||
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(1) I haven't caught a mafia yet so there's nothing definitively distinguishing town from mafia. It's easy for mafia to sheep town onto town, harder for mafia to sheep town onto mafia. (2) I have so many strong town reads that someone who isn't one of them and whose reads are in large part sheeped from me is more likely than normal to be mafia sheeping me. | ||
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And what's with the pessimism? We still have liancourt dead to rights. Game's not over yet. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:11 sicklucker wrote: So if lians mafia just blame doctor for not hammering a mafia to save himself and never vote lian out. You need to stop spewing bad advice, if lian is mafia we lynch him. End of story. You still vote your most likely mafia no matter what day it is. But you need to stop with this defeatist shit and reread the game for once before it's over. You have been riding your reads without any serious consideration of alternatives. You still have yet to address the case I made on liancourt, which some of your other townreads have said was solid. Now you're telling us that with MYLO looming that we're supposed to crown this guy town mayor? Fuck that. We're not doing that. If anything you crown LightningStrike town mayor since he's confirmed town. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:19 liancourt wrote: I'm looking at ppl who didnt give a damn whether it was me or drp i'm looking at primarily eden and mderg How do these go together? I was incredibly vocal about wanting to kill you. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:29 liancourt wrote: u thought he was scum too and if i died today you would have pushed for his ml tomorrow. which would end in a scum win How does that make sense? I have him in my POE kill pile. That's not the same as having him as my top mafia read. You're my top mafia read. I pushed hard to get you killed and DrP ended up going last minute because of shenanigans. How in the world do you interpret my behavior as being apathetic to which of DrP or you died? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote: No you dont understand. Your my mafia you always have been. Ive told town to kill you and your partner. They choose not to listen Im going to die all I can do is hope they listen You didn't read what I said. You need to stop pushing this because you're definitely wrong about me and possibly wrong about mderg too. You are wrong, and you are leading town off a cliff because you are loud in your wrongness. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:32 liancourt wrote: day 1 u go for VA day 2 u go oats day 3 u go for me and drp u keep on not discussing about mderg i cant find anything in ur filter that mention mderg. Then you didn't look at my filter, because I've definitely talked about mderg, in direct response to our Q-and-A session a few hours ago. Which, by the way, you never did finish. On January 15 2015 03:20 Eden1892 wrote: Anyway you didn't answer my question. Which of my townreads is/are wrong and why? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:35 sicklucker wrote: This game is pretty simple if you think bats is town. Then mderg is always mafia. OK, this is actually a pretty good point. On January 15 2015 07:35 sicklucker wrote: Who wants to kill mderg? Lian does. So lian is town and eden is the last mafia by poe. But this is not. liancourt never wanted to kill mderg until it became his only option late. How come it can't be both of them? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote: No you dont understand. Your my mafia you always have been. Ive told town to kill you and your partner. They choose not to listen Im going to die all I can do is hope they listen Stop being a donkey and reread this game. If you don't, we both lose, and I'll never let you hear the end of it, because you're being a cocky asshole right now while still wrong. liancourt has been suspicious all game and literally never made his vote count unless it was his life on the line. He's never pushed anybody, content to hang around in the background and not be involved in the game until he has to be. You've repeatedly refused to entertain any notion of him being mafia. What is so damn hard about doing that? Even if you're so sure about me and mderg being mafia, you have at least 24 hours here to read one damn case and give an informed opinion about it. What the fuck is so hard about that? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:44 liancourt wrote: who are the 2 mafia then? me and....? you've run out of targets if it's not mderg then who? Scum slip Just said it was mderg, keep up. sicklucker made a good point after I posted this regarding batsnacks + mderg. Why won't you answer any questions? You even accused me of ducking your questions with mine, but now the only one answering anything is me. Why can't you address my case on you? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:46 liancourt wrote: no u didnt talk about mderg u talked about how scummy drp was Holy shit do I have to quote our exchange BACK TO YOU? Did you even care about what you were asking me? On January 15 2015 03:02 Eden1892 wrote: Plenty? Pretty sure the thrust of it is "I'm not sheeping Eden," which I'm not sure I'm inclined to believe since he explicitly sad he was a couple times. I don't normally mind sheeping but: (1) I haven't caught a mafia yet so there's nothing definitively distinguishing town from mafia. It's easy for mafia to sheep town onto town, harder for mafia to sheep town onto mafia. (2) I have so many strong town reads that someone who isn't one of them and whose reads are in large part sheeped from me is more likely than normal to be mafia sheeping me. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:52 liancourt wrote: u have not once directly called mderg mafia On January 15 2015 07:40 Eden1892 wrote: OK, this is actually a pretty good point. I guess it's not literally "mderg is mafia" but let it be known that my mafia team right now and as of that post was liancourt/mderg. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: I told you yesterday why dr was town but you choose to ignore me. Link it, EOD doesn't count 'cause I wasn't around for it. I agree Dr's last several posts were pretty town. (I said 15 mins earlier, that's probably not exact, it was while I was coming home from work during the last hour of d3) But I already acknowledged this, and I don't remember you saying anything about Dr being town prior to EOD | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:04 liancourt wrote: the thing regarding my voting with oats and ls: I voted first, I didn't vote with my scum reads. I pushed VA then slept because deadline is 7 am and i cant wake up at deadline to push my lynches. regarding SL, lala, drp vote: I rnged because thread was dead. i voted lala because lala had absolutely no content whatsoever. Banged my vote on drp because drp's content wasnt good either. I didnt feel the need to explain all my actions because i really didnt give a damn about the game at that time because game was literally on life support and needed cpr. Was really uniterested in the game. My switch to drp at the end: So I could live and he didnt have any good content today either. I pushed my mderg lynch but nobody gave a hoot. I'm lynching eden tomorrow. Not going to move my vote. Ever. First one to 3 votes gets lynched. Team LS bats lian vs lala eden mderg lol that's cute. Pretty sure mderg is the kill tomorrow Then you | ||
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I guess I missed that post? I don't follow the importance with respect to the original discussion you quoted, since that discussion centered on my alleged apathy regarding which of lian/DrP was lynched, which is so self-evidently false as to make the accusation defy explanation. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:48 sicklucker wrote: So i checked lian so there would be no doubt on him so we can just kill mderg/eden and maybe consider bats at some point. If lian was mafia I felt he was most likely to deliver kp for his team because I dont suspect him. So now we should put that world out of are head. Mafia didnt kill me so expect an obvious cc from a fake cop or something? I donno I'm not so sure about this. Remember, during the night you more or less proved mderg is mafia by POE (assuming batsnacks is town). Think about the perspective of a liancourt/mderg team here; they know mderg is dead to rights. He's the guy that they would have perform the kill. Not liancourt. They would need liancourt to be as clean as can be going into 4p MYLO to try to win the game. Likewise, if mderg and I were a team, our only shot at winning is sac'ing mderg today and hoping I can argue my way out of 4p MYLO. mderg would be the one to perform the kill, not me. I still think it's liancourt/mderg. Look at liancourt's vote, it's on me instead of the virtually guaranteed mafia. How good of a play would it be if liancourt rode the suspicion of me/mderg as a team to get me mislynched at MYLO and win with mderg? I think this is really suspicious because he should be killing the highest-% target today, which is mderg, no matter who you think his partner is. I'll give batsnacks a reread between now and the start of the next day for completion's sake but I suspect it's going to be liancourt and me thunderdoming tomorrow. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:44 sicklucker wrote: you. you didnt travel. So lets not kill you. Wtf why didnt mafia kill me? I must be right and there tooo afraid who died didnt look yet Also they didn't kill you because you're wrong about me. If this were LYLO we would already have lost. That was easy. | ||
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On January 16 2015 12:10 sicklucker wrote: Checking my scum reads is kind of pointless because im going to vote them anyway. There also gonna be too afraid to use kp and if theres a mafia in bats or loli they will always be the one delivering the kp. Bats is playing dumb about not knowing about how scum has to pick a player to deliver kp so hes probably town. Like im going to kill eden and mderg anyway so why waste a check on them? Id rather eliminate worlds where im wrong. Also in the event im somehow alive I expect mafia to put doubt on my claim anyway. I didn't say you should have checked someone else; what I said is that unless mafia derped, there wasn't going to be any information achieved from it. Let me walk you through it again. mderg is dead to rights, yes? You proved he was mafia by POE last night. You think I'm his partner, and I agreed with you. Pretty sure everyone else agrees with you. A mafia team facing this situation isn't going to have anyone but the guy going down today sending out the kill. Like I said, if I were on mderg's team, I would never ever ever be doing the kill because I know you're checking me and my only hope of winning is not getting tracked to a body. Nor would liancourt if the team is liancourt/mderg. Nor would any other partner with mderg. The fact that they didn't kill you means two things: (1) They weren't afraid of your check. That very likely means the caught mafia sent in the kill. (2) They weren't afraid of your reads. That very likely means you're wrong about the other mafia. | ||
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On January 16 2015 12:13 sicklucker wrote: Well who cares im voting mderg? Hes lians partner remember? We kill mderg hes mafia. Then ill check you tonight if mafias dumb enough to leave me alive and I can confirm your alignment what do you have to be scared of? And if they kill me you can convince whoever else is alive to vote someone else Definitely check me tonight, but you have to recognize that you're almost certainly not going to be alive tomorrow, and so I can't just bank on you being around to confirm me town. I'm still going to work to convince you and everyone else that I'm town, and work to get liancourt lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On January 16 2015 12:34 sicklucker wrote: Eden why am I still alive tho? If its lians mafia plan to afk vote you and go for the win. Wheres the mafia motivation in risking keeping me in the game and finding mafia? Who did ls say he was going to vote for? It was you right? Let me explain my thoughts. Whoever mafia is is keeping the option of a counter claim open. Thats the only reason I can be alive. If lian wants to afk as mafia it cant be him. Unless hes just lying about that. I'm not really sure why they shot LS. There are obvious reasons - he's confirmed town, he didn't have clear reads afaik so shooting him is information denial - but they seem obviously less important than killing an un-cc'd tracker. The thing is, I feel like cc'ing you is a terrible plan if that's what they're doing. mderg can't do it because he's caught, and coming out at MYLO with a cc instead of contesting it while there were MLs to burn is unbelievably shitty play for a PR (read: would never be believed coming from mafia). It just seems like if that's what they're doing, they're screwing themselves over. Literally the only thing that makes sense to me with what I know is that they wanted you to spend another day yelling at people to kill me so I can get mislynched at 4p. Because I can tell you for sure that if I'm mafia and you're right about me, I'm never leaving you alive as a claimed tracker | ||
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I guess now would be a good time to reread batsnacks. I feel like we can throw out lalalipop because of Breshke's play + the fact that Breshke was the roleblocker. If you look at the possible mafia roles in the OP and the town roles we now know we have, the only mafia role that has actual utility this game is the roleblocker. The godfather and framer don't matter without a cop. That means Breshke was almost certainly not involved in any kind of shenanigans to save lalalipop, because it would have been better to sacrifice lalalipop and have Breshke bus for towncred. Honestly we're back to where we were a day or so ago, if you believe batsnacks is town then mderg is auto-mafia and you have me and liancourt thunderdome at 4p MYLO. If you think batsnacks is mafia, the picture becomes a lot murkier. Three possible pairs FMPOV are: lian/mderg - Talked at length about this, lian is the guy on which I have the best case I think, mderg is auto if you think batsnacks is town. I've been assuming bats is town, I'll reread to confirm. lian/bats - Would actually be a great play. They leave SL alive figuring he'll get people to mislynch mderg thinking it's auto. Would also explain lian dropping a vote on me and bouncing. mderg/bats - I guess it's possible but if lian isn't mafia I'll shit bricks. Now I wanna switch to liancourt. But I felt like batsnacks was pretty townie when we were talking a couple days ago itt. If I reread batsnacks and come back finding him to be not clearly mafia then I'll just stay on mderg for the high-% play, if batsnacks is in doubt then I feel like I have to kill liancourt since he's the guy on which I actually have a case besides POE. | ||
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I'm back to wanting to kill liancourt instead. He's the guy I have a case for beyond POE, and I'm starting to get the feeling that POE isn't going to work anymore. batsnacks, what happened to wanting to kill liancourt? ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: liancourt | ||
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Never mind you had lian as town. Who's your team then? | ||
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How am I "not trying"? I think I put in more work to figure out what's going on than anyone else today. If you view yourself as the one who tried the hardest, then even still I'm second. That's silly and you know better. I'm on liancourt and probably staying there. I'm undecided on batsnacks vs mderg for the other mafia so I'm going to vote my top suspect. | ||
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On January 10 2015 15:45 Eden1892 wrote: First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys. Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon. First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen. Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left. === Other notes: - sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read. - Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts. - batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does. - Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that. === That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with. Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats Mafia: Oats, lian TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc On January 13 2015 17:48 Eden1892 wrote: So like I said before, back on day 1 liancourt pushed LS and Obi then voted with them on Vayne. Quoting my post on the subject from n1: liancourt never had a satisfactory reply to this, which I think is pretty damning on its own. It's even more damning when we look at the Day 2 vote count. Presuming for the moment that lalalipop is town, we have two town wagons at the end of d2, and liancourt is... voting for DrParnassus. Who he literally discusses once in d2 (calls DrP unmemorable). I'm serious, read his filter, that's it. He doesn't even say he voted for DrP. He said he was going to RNG vote sicklucker, and I'm not sure if that was a joke or something he intended to do but didn't, because he doesn't say anything else about his suspects that day. He certainly doesn't push DrP. He just wastes his vote on an outlier for a reason that sounds good, but instead of pushing that good reason to get a lynch he just... does nothing. ##VOTE: liancourt | ||
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On January 18 2015 04:54 sicklucker wrote: Oh I agree your second. That doesint mean your town. I have higher standards from you I have no idea what would make me town to you at this point then. Your apparent argument is that I'm mafia because I'm not trying, then you acknowledge I've been trying the hardest of everyone not named you in this game. C'mon man. | ||
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Eden1892
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sicklucker, you're sure you won't switch to liancourt? We're running low on time and he's the only guy I feel confident in. You asked for my case - again - and then afk'd without addressing it. batsnacks? lalalipop? somebody? please help. I'm getting a terrible feeling it's not mderg, but I don't know who else it would be. I just feel sure it's liancourt so somebody move? please? | ||
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On January 18 2015 06:36 mderg wrote: Just throwing out this theory: What if sucklucker is scum? What's the reason we all see him as town? It's mainly because of his claim(s).He also has a huge ass filter but whatever. His uncc'd tracker claim pretty much confirms him as town but there's way that scum would have no fear of being cc'd at all. If they don't have to chose who makes the kill at night, they can be 100% sure that there's neither tracker nor watcher in this game. Being basically confirmed town would then give him a free pass to push scum agenda without anyone doubting him at all. It's actually very unlikely that this is the case. sicklucker is most likely town but I just wanted to throw this out here to sound smart, if this turns out to be true. There's two things that bother me about his play right now: (1) He's just not even caring about liancourt. I can't remember how many times this thread he's acted like I haven't had a case on liancourt, or haven't posted it, or whatever, when I actually have and he's just ignored it. Just townreads him without explaining and moves on. (2) One of the main reasons I've been townreading him is that he's un-cc'd tracker and posting a lot, but the thing is that his power role claim can't actually be validated the more I think about it. His posting a lot, and with mostly the same tone as I remember from Imperial (where I townread him), gives me pause. I don't think I could build a case on him as convincing as the one on liancourt though, so I'd rather liancourt today. I don't think what you're thinking is as crazy as you make it sound though. This game state is bizarre to me because you're on everyone's kill list but trying about as hard as I am right now to figure out what's going on. Like how is liancourt not getting destroyed right now for voting me and afk'ing? What the hell townie does that at MYLO? | ||
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Unless it's sicklucker? But like... my argument for him was mostly built on him being liancourt's partner. Which doesn't work anymore for obvious reasons. I'm so lost. At least it's apparently not over yet. | ||
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Could be sicklucker/batsnacks, could be lalalipop/batsnacks, but I don't think it could be sicklucker/lalalipop, so batsnacks is policy lynch tomorrow, assuming there is a tomorrow. Which I think there almost has to be a chance of happening, right? Damdred et al wouldn't drag this thing out if there were no protective roles in the game, I feel like. | ||
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On January 18 2015 09:20 LightningStrike wrote: How did I do good other than my shot at Breshke? I think I was the only confirmed town that why they went after me. Eden can you say you guys shot when I had no shots left as Vig? I wanted to shoot SL but 'pop thought SL might be vet. And since the plan was for him to carry I deferred | ||
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On January 18 2015 08:56 marvellosity wrote: anyone who played in Imperial and didn't lynch Eden should feel bad. Tbh I didn't feel like mafia played especially well. I couldn't find motivation to get going until d3; I did have work but I could have made time. Being mafia sucks. Lol | ||
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