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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 02:13 GMT
#1261
Whatever, as long as most of the rest of the town can see reason, we can drag him kicking and screaming to a win. Wouldn't be the first time I've had to do that.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 02:14 GMT
#1262
^above comment not specific to sicklucker but generalized
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 14 2015 05:31 GMT
#1263
bump
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 14 2015 05:39 GMT
#1264
On January 14 2015 07:11 batsnacks wrote:
Here's a lazy case on LS that people should criticize me for:

  1. Breshke mentions and interacts with LS the least out of anyone in his filter.
  2. LS likes to sheep when he's scum.
  3. LS sheeped the vayne case.
  4. SEE BELOW the progression of LS's read on oats



Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I town reading Oats and Lian since Oats seemed much more like himself from Student Mafia IV and Lian posts being genuine about his stuff on me. I finding that sicklucker early town read kind of questionable because I not done anything townie yet he giving me a very early town read. Unless he's basing off of meta he should have no reason to town read me this early.

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On January 09 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote:
27ninjabunnies you know better than that. We not lynching Oats until Day 2 or 3 if we suspect he is scum but for now I town reading him for the fact he pretty much acting like how he did in Student Mafia IV where he was VT.
Here is his filter from that game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Oatsmaster

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On January 09 2015 04:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 09 2015 04:50 sicklucker wrote:
Whatever nothing va has done really makes him mafia. Your basically doing a rng lynch on someone who you dont want to play with. Can we sheep me?

Ugh it's a meta case by my biggest town read in Oats and Oats said that VA doesn't play or try at Day 1 as town.

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On January 09 2015 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 09 2015 06:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Second half for you Bats

liancourt - I'm going to say null leaning town as he picked apart LS.

batsnacks - I have misread you in both my games so far. I'm going to say null and here's why.
Your thoughts on VA meta and willing to consider my reads, right now, but I don't understand what happened with you and OWS earlier. I also don't understand why you discouraged a vote on VA and then turned around and voted him after he complained on the community.

lalalipop - null, came in a bit late. May not be understanding the context of my post to scumread me the way he is.

LightningStrike - null leaning scum, quite a bit of fluff and didn't seem to be too interested in finding targets.

Oatsmaster - null leaning town. Not posting a whole lot, but based on meta, he is acting the same way that he is when he was VT in Student Mafia.

I found a target from one of my town reads. My target is VA right now and my BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGG town read is Oatsmaster this game.

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On January 09 2015 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 09 2015 06:56 Breshke wrote:
On January 09 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote:
breske will you join us and ruin someones day?


Dude i still have my doubts about you. Will probably follow bats though

Follow me and Oats bro?

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On January 10 2015 01:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 10 2015 00:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On January 10 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote:
27NB can you give me your reads when you done reading Day 1 please?


Well I can tell you this immediately.
On January 09 2015 01:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
If I do get lynched, I would go for lightningstrike next, his vote on me makes no sense as I was against liancourt who was pushing him. A simple inconsistency that many new players make.


What was with that vote on VA?

You basically sheeped claiming you trust others reads?

Explain a little please.

I was trusting Oats meta read on VA saying that VA doesn't try Day 1 as town and we already saw what happened. I still town reading Oats based on his play on Student but that lynch might make Oats a little icky.

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On January 12 2015 06:48 LightningStrike wrote:
I voting Oats because it's to little time to get tracation on my scum read and Oats I had Null since about N1 after the flip.
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster



Above are LS's posts about oats in order from earliest to most recent. LS originally town read oats because of meta, which I pointed out at the time was useless because oats plays exactly the same every game. Notice oats going from LS's "BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGG town read [sic]" to null in an instant, then LS votes him.

So LS is mafia.



dude LS is vig

like wtf
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 14 2015 05:51 GMT
#1265
On January 14 2015 07:43 batsnacks wrote:
There isn't a case on mderg I don't know why anyone is voting him. The only thing I can find is what Liam said about mderg being useless and sheeping everything eden says.

And mderg isn't really sheeping eden.


On January 14 2015 01:25 mderg wrote:
Here's a list of things that make lian scum:

- being a dick on purpose early in the game
- on day1 voting VA despite his two other scumreads also being on the wagon
- on day2 voting drp without even mentioning him beforehand
- repeatedly complaining about inactivity and lack of effort while not really doing much himself
- wanting to lynch me without giving any reasoning at all
- Breshke did defend him earlier

Maybe I missed some things but I think that's enough to call him scum.


On January 13 2015 17:48 Eden1892 wrote:
So like I said before, back on day 1 liancourt pushed LS and Obi then voted with them on Vayne. Quoting my post on the subject from n1:

Show nested quote +
First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen.


liancourt never had a satisfactory reply to this, which I think is pretty damning on its own.

It's even more damning when we look at the Day 2 vote count.

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On January 12 2015 06:58 Trfel wrote:
Final Vote Count Day 2

ObiWanShinobi (0): batsnacks, lalipop
Half the Sky (0): sicklucker, DrParnassus, mderg
LightningStrike (1): liancourt, batsnacks, Breshke
lalipop (4): liancourt, Breshke, sicklucker, DrParnassus, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, batsnacks
DrParnassus (2): Oatsmaster, liancourt, lalipop
Oatsmaster (4): Eden1892, mderg, Eden1892, lalipop, LightningStrike, Breshke
liancourt (0): LightningStrike, lalipop

Oatsmaster has been lynched!


Presuming for the moment that lalalipop is town, we have two town wagons at the end of d2, and liancourt is... voting for DrParnassus. Who he literally discusses once in d2 (calls DrP unmemorable). I'm serious, read his filter, that's it. He doesn't even say he voted for DrP. He said he was going to RNG vote sicklucker, and I'm not sure if that was a joke or something he intended to do but didn't, because he doesn't say anything else about his suspects that day. He certainly doesn't push DrP. He just wastes his vote on an outlier for a reason that sounds good, but instead of pushing that good reason to get a lynch he just... does nothing.

##VOTE: liancourt


If you dont call that hard sheeping i dont know what is. He is basically parroting everything eden has said and making it look like his own content. End result, he isnt being productive, has no original content that can be called his own ideas, has done nothing to scum hunt on d1 or d2.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 14 2015 06:19 GMT
#1266
On January 10 2015 08:32 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 08:22 sicklucker wrote:
On January 10 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
On January 09 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote:
Final Vote Count Day 1

LightningStrike (0): liancourt
sicklucker (0): Eden1892, Breshke
liancourt (0): mderg
VayneAuthority (8): liancourt, Half the Sky, Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, batsnacks, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, lalipop, Eden1892
Oatsmaster (1): 27ninjabunnies
Half the Sky (3): mderg, sicklucker, DrParnassus, lalipop
27ninjabunnies (0): DrParnassus, DrParnassus

Currently, VayneAuthority is set to be lynched with 5 votes.

until deadline.


Two or three scum in the first 4 votes on Va if im right about hts. We had 3 votes on hts and I think mafia paniced

I think bats is too wild to be mafia


I could see 2 scum between lian, HTS and oats. Has oats even posted a single read so far? I basically can't remember anything he did this game.


Scum reads me hts oats. 3 town

On January 11 2015 19:28 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
nononono

vote drp, who is actually posting BUT DOING NOTHING AT ALL.
and admittedly lurking.

Classic mafia tell.

I would be up for a drp lynch, if HTS wasn't on the table.


agrees with his scum read and says he is up for drp lynch

On January 12 2015 06:44 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 06:41 lalalipop wrote:
On January 12 2015 06:39 mderg wrote:
How about you guys vote oats. Or maybe make some shenannies on lian happen.


I don't know how to read oats. Are you sure about oats?

I'm not 100% sure about him being scum, no, but I think he has a good chance of flipping scum and is a good lynch.


agrees with oats but still thinks he's a good lynch but not sure about it...

On January 12 2015 06:51 mderg wrote:
I could see a switch to lian happen, anyone else is pretty much out of question for me.


where did his drp lynch go?

you actually dont care who gets lynched because everyone is town.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 14 2015 06:21 GMT
#1267
On day 1 all you talk about is HTS and even then you are just copying the content from SL
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 14 2015 06:46 GMT
#1268
bats... im confused are you ccing LS?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 14 2015 08:08 GMT
#1269
On January 14 2015 15:21 liancourt wrote:
On day 1 all you talk about is HTS and even then you are just copying the content from SL

You can say that I was sheeping Eden because it's true but I DID NOT SHEEP SL AT ALL IN THIS GAME! I DID NOT COPY HIS CONTENT AND I TAKE EVERYONE SAYING THAT I DID AS DIRECTlY INSULTING ME! I would be crazy to sheep that guy at all in any game. If you think I sheeped sl on HTS you should probably not play mafia again in your life.

I also never tried to make Eden's comments about you look like my own content. There might be a reason I quoted the first post where Eden called you scum on day1 (hint: it's not because I want it to look like my own content). I also brought some of my own reasons to think you're scum. It should have been obvious to anyone paying attention to the game that I liked Eden's case on you.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 14 2015 08:10 GMT
#1270
I also had lian as scummy very early in the game before Eden said anything about him and only dropped it because of Breshke.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 14 2015 08:15 GMT
#1271
On January 14 2015 10:05 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2015 09:56 Eden1892 wrote:
Sicklucker what is your hangup with my case on liancourt?


I mostly ignored it because I think your mafia and hes obv town? Ill give it a good read before vote time and all of lians filter which is really the only filter ive ignored for awhile.

You have really not read lian's filter and ignored a really good case on him just because you for some reason think he's town? Might as well stop playing after day1, if everything is just poe after that.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 14 2015 08:16 GMT
#1272
On January 14 2015 15:19 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 08:32 mderg wrote:
On January 10 2015 08:22 sicklucker wrote:
On January 10 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
On January 09 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote:
Final Vote Count Day 1

LightningStrike (0): liancourt
sicklucker (0): Eden1892, Breshke
liancourt (0): mderg
VayneAuthority (8): liancourt, Half the Sky, Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, batsnacks, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, lalipop, Eden1892
Oatsmaster (1): 27ninjabunnies
Half the Sky (3): mderg, sicklucker, DrParnassus, lalipop
27ninjabunnies (0): DrParnassus, DrParnassus

Currently, VayneAuthority is set to be lynched with 5 votes.

until deadline.


Two or three scum in the first 4 votes on Va if im right about hts. We had 3 votes on hts and I think mafia paniced

I think bats is too wild to be mafia


I could see 2 scum between lian, HTS and oats. Has oats even posted a single read so far? I basically can't remember anything he did this game.


Scum reads me hts oats. 3 town

Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 19:28 mderg wrote:
On January 11 2015 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
nononono

vote drp, who is actually posting BUT DOING NOTHING AT ALL.
and admittedly lurking.

Classic mafia tell.

I would be up for a drp lynch, if HTS wasn't on the table.


agrees with his scum read and says he is up for drp lynch

Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 06:44 mderg wrote:
On January 12 2015 06:41 lalalipop wrote:
On January 12 2015 06:39 mderg wrote:
How about you guys vote oats. Or maybe make some shenannies on lian happen.


I don't know how to read oats. Are you sure about oats?

I'm not 100% sure about him being scum, no, but I think he has a good chance of flipping scum and is a good lynch.


agrees with oats but still thinks he's a good lynch but not sure about it...

Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 06:51 mderg wrote:
I could see a switch to lian happen, anyone else is pretty much out of question for me.


where did his drp lynch go?

you actually dont care who gets lynched because everyone is town.

The only thing that could ever make me scum is the part about drp. Compared to you I'm confirmed town.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 14 2015 09:31 GMT
#1273
Really 4 votes for lian? I realy need to read his filter when I wake I expected this to be a landslide on mderg. What am I missing?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 14 2015 09:38 GMT
#1274
On January 10 2015 16:16 liancourt wrote:
The amount of defense on LS and obi is overwhelming. Even if it's mafia defending town it'll mean they're town and mafia wouldn't defend their own this hard so I'll reluctantly ignore them for now.

Eden is prolly town for trying to at least figure out the game when the thread was in stalemate.

Although I don't think oats is playing greatly like the aggressive town player he is there are others who are very unmemorable for example, drparnassus and breshke or even lala.

Town

Bats
Me
eden
ls
obi
oats
hts
sl
mderg

scum

drparnassus
lala
breshke

i'll look into one of these 3 later


Like lians town guys lol. There was no reason to bus breske at this point of the game alot of people were town reading him btw. Good shot
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 14 2015 09:39 GMT
#1275
On January 12 2015 14:59 liancourt wrote:
it's 6-3 day 3

day 4 4-3 lylo

lets not get to lylo. mafia have an advantage on that day. 4 town literally needs to consolidate on 1 person to lynch mafia. Impossible. If a townie votes townie and 3 mafia pile on their votes it's game over. So day 3 is vital if we want to win.

If a cop has a red check or at least 2 green checks they should claim tomorrow. If you claim on lylo then mafia are going to take that 50/50 chance and counter claim it.

I really dont like how lala has been piggybacking on reads and using other ppls posts to seem like he has some kind of original content when everything has been basically a summary of somewhat. he isnt pushing any reads and has done nothing to figure the game out. The most lala has been talking about was me but didn't even push or vote at the end of the day. I literally thought lala was getting mod killed with 1 page filter on day 2 so i moved my vote to drp but i was wrong lala comes back posts another list post covering no content whatsoever. Guys lala is mafia.


Oh ya this is the post where I town read him. Like mafia would never say this.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 14 2015 09:43 GMT
#1276
Ok like holy crap that didnt take long and im even more sure that im right. Lian is doing his normal play I have no idea how hes gotten 4 votes I think your feelings are just hurt.

Switch your votes to mderg please.

If lians mafia is partner is like 90% of the time going to be mderg. Hes pushed Dr and eden wouldnt vote his partner here. This game really is that simple because everyone else is town.

Eden mderg
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 14 2015 09:45 GMT
#1277
God lian why do you gotta be such a dbag making it hard for me to carry you to victory
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 09:59 GMT
#1278
On January 14 2015 18:38 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 16:16 liancourt wrote:
The amount of defense on LS and obi is overwhelming. Even if it's mafia defending town it'll mean they're town and mafia wouldn't defend their own this hard so I'll reluctantly ignore them for now.

Eden is prolly town for trying to at least figure out the game when the thread was in stalemate.

Although I don't think oats is playing greatly like the aggressive town player he is there are others who are very unmemorable for example, drparnassus and breshke or even lala.

Town

Bats
Me
eden
ls
obi
oats
hts
sl
mderg

scum

drparnassus
lala
breshke

i'll look into one of these 3 later


Like lians town guys lol. There was no reason to bus breske at this point of the game alot of people were town reading him btw. Good shot

Putting somebody in your mafia pile and literally never interacting with them or trying to get them killed is a bus? You're making the point even better with this, if anything putting someone who is mafia but widely townread as a suspect and then never interacting with them is more suspicious not less.

On January 14 2015 18:39 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 14:59 liancourt wrote:
it's 6-3 day 3

day 4 4-3 lylo

lets not get to lylo. mafia have an advantage on that day. 4 town literally needs to consolidate on 1 person to lynch mafia. Impossible. If a townie votes townie and 3 mafia pile on their votes it's game over. So day 3 is vital if we want to win.

If a cop has a red check or at least 2 green checks they should claim tomorrow. If you claim on lylo then mafia are going to take that 50/50 chance and counter claim it.

I really dont like how lala has been piggybacking on reads and using other ppls posts to seem like he has some kind of original content when everything has been basically a summary of somewhat. he isnt pushing any reads and has done nothing to figure the game out. The most lala has been talking about was me but didn't even push or vote at the end of the day. I literally thought lala was getting mod killed with 1 page filter on day 2 so i moved my vote to drp but i was wrong lala comes back posts another list post covering no content whatsoever. Guys lala is mafia.


Oh ya this is the post where I town read him. Like mafia would never say this.

Why not?

On January 14 2015 18:43 sicklucker wrote:
Ok like holy crap that didnt take long and im even more sure that im right. Lian is doing his normal play I have no idea how hes gotten 4 votes I think your feelings are just hurt.

How about reading the fucking case on him and addressing it? God you're a donkey sometimes. You still haven't bothered to look at it, have you?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 14 2015 10:27 GMT
#1279
So far we're at this:

sicklucker
Half the Sky
LightningStrike
Oatsmaster

Breshke
liancourt
batsnacks
DrParnassus
lalalipop
Eden1892
VayneAuthority
mderg
ObiWanShinobi
NinjaBunnies


Everyone colored green is confirmed town or almost certainly town. That leaves lian, batsnacks, drp, Eden and me. I am obviously town myself and I agree with a lot of the things Eden said, so I think he's also town.

That leaves lian, batsnacks and drp as possible scum. I think lian and drp are way more likely to be scum than batsnacks. The reasons for lian being scum are already in the thread, drp was very unmemorable in the thread, I don't even really know what his reads were. He voted himself on day1 and lalalipop on day2 both of these votes don't really point towards him being town.

lian did have both Breshke and drp as scum at some point in the game, though. This might point towards lian being town but I don't think it does. Considering that lian tried to appear controversial and look like a dick this game, some distancing like that is certainly possible early in the game. It's not like those two were under any real pressure and lian did not push any of them, so the danger was pretty much nonexistent.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 14 2015 11:25 GMT
#1280
Meanwhile DrP just sits back and gets ignored.

##vote: DrP
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