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On January 09 2015 07:26 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:19 LightningStrike wrote:On January 09 2015 07:15 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:On January 09 2015 07:08 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:06 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:04 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think mafia NKed trfel? Just a sec I'm writing up a complete filter dive on LS because tube wanted a full analysis from me on my best target. I was actually hoping you'd go after a more difficult target. The LS case is pretty much closed. I'm the only one defending him, and I have nothing but a tinfoil hat conspiracy. Well what is your tinfoil hat conspiracy? I'm sure everyone will listen to you since everyone is town reading you clearly. I hope to God you are the only one in this game that doesn't know what I'm referring to. ANYONE outside of LS, if you don't know what I'm referring to...YOU FUCKING NEED TO ASK ME. LS, you are clearly showing you are not reading, nor thinking about this game or anything that I am saying or doing. Filter dive me. Read my pages that start N1. For fucks sakes man. I not bothering because everyone is scum reading me. I giving zero fucks for now unless you provide a TLDR on the conspiracy stuff because I can't make anything out of that big post. Holy fuck are you kidding me? You cant defend yourself unless he gives you something to defend it with? People think you are scum in part because you won't make a read without piggy backing off someone else. Now you can't even defend yourself?? If you are town you need to at least try.
I BEEN TRYING WHY THE HELL I GIVING UP RIGHT NOW?
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On January 09 2015 07:31 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:27 LightningStrike wrote:On January 09 2015 07:26 ExO_ wrote:On January 09 2015 07:19 LightningStrike wrote:On January 09 2015 07:15 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:On January 09 2015 07:08 Tubesock wrote:On January 09 2015 07:06 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:04 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think mafia NKed trfel? Just a sec I'm writing up a complete filter dive on LS because tube wanted a full analysis from me on my best target. I was actually hoping you'd go after a more difficult target. The LS case is pretty much closed. I'm the only one defending him, and I have nothing but a tinfoil hat conspiracy. Well what is your tinfoil hat conspiracy? I'm sure everyone will listen to you since everyone is town reading you clearly. I hope to God you are the only one in this game that doesn't know what I'm referring to. ANYONE outside of LS, if you don't know what I'm referring to...YOU FUCKING NEED TO ASK ME. LS, you are clearly showing you are not reading, nor thinking about this game or anything that I am saying or doing. Filter dive me. Read my pages that start N1. For fucks sakes man. I not bothering because everyone is scum reading me. I giving zero fucks for now unless you provide a TLDR on the conspiracy stuff because I can't make anything out of that big post. Holy fuck are you kidding me? You cant defend yourself unless he gives you something to defend it with? People think you are scum in part because you won't make a read without piggy backing off someone else. Now you can't even defend yourself?? If you are town you need to at least try. I BEEN TRYING WHY THE HELL I GIVING UP RIGHT NOW? okay. then tell me your top 3 scum, with reasoning why. Lets start fresh and see where we end up.
Cele mainly your case on him and because in the game I shadowing in 1 of the scum players had pulled what cele did which is put a vote on a random person which I found extremely scummy.
HTS: She starting be off this game in Day 2 and seemed to be lurky Day 2 despite her last post.
Maybe rsoultin: I can see her benefit killing Tfrel this game since she knows how well he played in Carol and seemed to be lurky since her last post this morning. But she more of a null read atm because she is lurking atm.
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I', going to out to eat and I will answer everything when I get back!
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On January 09 2015 08:12 Half the Sky wrote:LS, for you. Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 02:09 LightningStrike wrote:
What question did I miss from you because I thought I answered all of your questions? Operative words in bold, extend all quotes. Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:31 The Shining wrote:On January 08 2015 06:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 08 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
LS, can you explain what differentiated WW from Shining at the time you voted him? I just tunelled to hard while I was worried about my mom but at least she is feeling much better now. I just couldn't concentrate at all at the time but WW was way more inactive in the thread that all I remember why I went after WW and also I was liking rsoultins post on why to vote WW too. I so lost right now to be honest with you like maybe one of my town reads is scum this game and I just denying it. I hope Day 2 gives me a fresh start on who is scum and who isn't. In the first post, LS is claiming to be ready to go all-in on me. [b]Next post is a claim of tunneling too hard, which LS did not do(Tube did) and a blatant avoiding of a question. LS did not explain what differentiated WW from me at the time.
TheWarWaffle looked worse than Shining but I now town reading Shining at least for now. The soft claim was really horrible play by TheWarWaffle at least in my eyes and didn't believe he was blue due to the soft claim. The way TheWarWaffle had said learned many things looking at that guide and the way he wasn't doing any scum hunting except for analyzing HTS post really bothered me too.
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Also rsoultin I didn't know you work everyday sorry my lady 
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Guys I guess just lynch me but promise you lynch Celestial after I get lynched I giving up for reals I can't convince you guys and I'm sorry I raged so hard yesterday this game is hitting me way to close home from another game T_T This game is reminding me of Metal Mini where me and Damdred tried to find the last mafia and we went at each others throats but then I figured out the last mafia but 1 person tunneled the shit out of me and the other didn't vote with me. Oh well GG guys!
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I'm been pushing Celestial in fact I told you to push him with me because you said you didn't mind a Celestial push. But you say jack shit towards me about your feeling to go after Celestial after that. I feel like I hitting a brick wall this game T_T
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On January 09 2015 23:13 rsoultin wrote:
...Did you read my post? No, it wasn't directed at you, but I don't see where your defeated attitude is coming from.
I swore it was directed at me. This is like hitting brick wall for me atm because I tried my best defending myself and no one is changing there minds. Welp I guess this what happens life gives you lemons.
Anyways I brb I filter diving you to find the exact post you said you would og after Celestial.
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Rsoultin this was the post where you said you wouldn't mind going a Celestial train:
On January 08 2015 14:07 rsoultin wrote:
Gonna be honest, I really wouldn't be unhappy with a Celestial train. My concern is my problem is his logic (or lack thereof) in my eyes. Wasted votes are bad, plain and simple. Some of the things he's said, like being concerned about being consistent, rub me wrong, too. I keep going...eh, he's new...but at some point that excuse has to run out. Maybe? I don't know ><
This was my post where I tried to appeal to you:
On January 09 2015 05:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Rsoultin if you are here my baby girl we voting Celestial right now so now is your chance to get rid of one of your scum reads!
At the time of my post ExO and I were on Celestial but sadly you weren't here >.<
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Guys in this post ExO pretty much explained his case on Celestial and which I agreed heavly with.
On January 09 2015 02:11 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 23:07 -Celestial- wrote:On January 08 2015 14:27 ExO_ wrote:
Then there's Celestial. I think I'm starting to scum read him as well. I didn't like that he just parked his vote on jarjar. I also don't like how he seems to be going whichever way the wind blows. He's easily swayed with whoever is posting at the time. For example he hopped right on the LS train with me, then when I was gone for a while he backed off it, only to start agreeing with me more when I got back in the thread. Another example is he did a bit of an OMGUS on rsoultin after day 1, but immediately said he was willing to give he the benefit of the doubt. That's scum behavior in my mind. Scum read. If you actually check my posts you'd see I was already calling LS out with my original set of reads BEFORE you posted something to really set me off on that path; so no, it wasn't just you. You are lying and I can prove it.Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 01:32 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly....
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...Edit: LS posted as I was writing this. Last post was pretty good in my opinion, some credit there. Still don't want to make a call on him though. Neutral for now.
Before my post, this is the only mention you made to lightning strike. And even though you say he posts fluff, in that same post you go on to say his last post was good and he gets some credit. The next time you mention LS, is quoting and agreeing with me. Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 23:07 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Then I filter-dived for my second set of reads to confirm stuff before voting him; which was a very long time after you posted. But when LS demonstrated that he's played exactly this way before that set some doubt there, so getting off him was absolutely nothing to do with you. And note that I didn't switch back suspicions to LS because of you. Again, check my posts. I questioned you for your opinion on LS and then when LS decided to throw out a vague, apparently panicky, claim THAT is what made me suspicious of him again.
Oh really? Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:43 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ok I've taken the time myself to read over the evidence that LS presented and...actually its pretty convincing. Although I think meta reads, especially based on just one game, can easily be manipulated he IS playing this very similar to the way he has in the past and it IS from three separate games so...yeah well done there.
I can't in good faith vote LS anymore. His playstyle is just too consistent between townie games there and it has severely shaken my confidence on it. I don't really know playstyles very well of course but those links were fairly convincing. Of course LS could be deliberately selecting evidence but it doesn't feel like that, it feels more like a genuine attempt at convincing. Not a D1 lynch for me anymore.
At this point in time I had been gone from the thread for a while. And thus the discussion moved away from LS for a while. As does your vote, and your vocal suspicions. Next comes: Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 04:50 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
@ExO_: What are your thoughts on LS (and others) pointing out he's played exactly the same way when he's been town on several previous occasions? I've been somewhat persuaded by that enough to conclude that for now I don't think he's the best D1 lynch. I mean I'm still not won over to make him town, but ideally we're looking for a D1 mafia lynch and I don't think he's the one to guarantee it
. You finally go back on to LS with: Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:36 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Had dinner. Going off to do some other things now but before I do I have to say that claiming like that brings my sights right back onto you, LS. Nobody actually asked for a claim off you and its not like you were under a huge amount of pressure. ExO was the only one really on you and you'd convinced me to give you the benefit of the doubt for a while with your past citations.
But a softclaim like that just a few hours before the deadline when nobody is actually pushing you makes it look as if you're panicking honestly. And that makes me incredibly suspicious once more . Coincidentally guess what I posted just 6 posts and 12 minutes before the above quoted post:: Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:24 ExO_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll admit he had more initial scum reads at first. But then, there's this his first big "read" post: On November 28 2014 12:56 LightningStrike wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Okay since now that my cousin and his wife and son have left I can finally give you guys my current reads for the time being.
Breshke: Town since he displaying the same kind of approach for today as he did in my last game when he was town.
Batsnacks: Null leaning town since he is acting close to the same way he did last game with me when he was a doctor but he been dodging questions from Oatsmaster and Half the Sky.
Damndred: Null leaning town since he was one of the major pushers for the lynching of DSIM without much of a good reason and been defending Batsnacks actions but at the same time he been giving losts of questions although DSIM didn't respond well to the questions.
Half the Sky: Town since he been giving good reasonings for his reads throughout the game although I don't like his case for Batsnacks being scum based on my own experience playing with Batsnacks in my last game.
sicklucker: Town because his posting style had pretty much stayed the same from the last game I played with him although he did looked very scummy in that game but he was just a Vanilla town and since our power roles had been lynched/killed I having a safe bet that sicklucker is town.
meatpudding: Null leaning town he had some decent questions after being gone for a while and now he claiming to have no power at his house it could be a scum move because one of the scums in my last game tried to pull that move but failed so perhaps meatpudding could scum.
alakaslam: null leaning scum since he not posted much of his reads but he also admitted to notread much of the thread during the time of us lynching DSIM but I need to see more posts of his though since he said he had to go earlier in the thread to confirm my suspicions.
Oatsmasters: Town since he been asking lots of questions to everyone and been trying to lead the discussion when he can which isn't a trait a scum member would do.
kushm4sta: Null leaning scum since he not been contributing a lot like his last scum game which was my last although he did give a couple questions to people he also didn't post much so I need to wait for him to post more so I can get a better read on him
rsoultin: Null leaning town since he trying to ask some questions and responding to questions he been asked by others although he did convence me to lynch DSIM that is haunting me because of my last game experience :|
Look Familiar? HTS and I have a discussion about LS, and then you went back on him. So at the very least, you are lying about suspecting LS before I posted. You pushed suspicion onto the WW train while carefully parking your vote on jarjar. You have been careful this game and generally agreeable. But if there's one thing I believe: Liars should be lynchedPeople make mistakes. But I believe your post is intentionally misleading, not accidental. ##Vote: Celestial
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What you guys think of his case on Celestial?
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On January 10 2015 00:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Back in thread.
LS, there is enough waffling that ExO has a point with the intentionally misleading part, especially after all the back and forth I've seen with his other reads. Again, don't like his case on Rasputin. It reads as if he's trying to hedge his bets on her and then he'd vote her if the crowd went that way. And those are common scum traits. It does not add up.
The voting thing has it up in the air between you and him. And voting is by far the most solid evidence. I already explained the problem with Celestial's vote and why he is scum from that. But I am sure there is one vote somewhere on that WW wagon. Can you go through one more time, why you voted Waffle D1? I'm still struggling with exactly why you did not believe his blue claim, and you also had a scumread on Shining D1 looking at your filter, unless I'm reading something wrong.
Explain to me:
1 Why you voted WW initially
2 Why you didn't believe his blue claim
3 Once he claimed, why a scumread on Shining was NOT enough for you to switch to Shining.
1. I was town reading rsoultin and I wasn't happy with TheWarWaffle's play when he said he found new reads and stuff and and never posted after he analyzed your post to post his soft blue claim.
2. I didn't believe the soft blue claim because if I was scum I would Soft Claim blue myself although I didn't in Student Mafia IV but that was because both of the Blue roles were killed in the first 36 hours of the game so I couldn't soft claim blue in that game. Generally speaking scum would soft claim blue more likely than a town that what the impression I gotten from looking at other games.
3. I wanted to see how Shining would act in Day 2 to confirm the case from rsoultin and it doesn't seem to match.
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Any one here to counter claim?
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So far no counter claim so I guess you will be off the loose.
##Unvote
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Welp i guess both trains were on town
##Vote: ExO_
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ExO have to be scum he called me and Celestial scum when we were town with Celestial being a Uncounterclaimed Doctor and never found scum because he is scum and doesn't want to call out his teammates.
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On January 10 2015 01:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 01:41 LightningStrike wrote:
ExO have to be scum he called me and Celestial scum when we were town with Celestial being a Uncounterclaimed Doctor and never found scum because he is scum and doesn't want to call out his teammates. You can't really scum him for not finding any scum yet. None of us have.
He only been scum reading town why else why would he go after me and Celestial?
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On January 10 2015 01:49 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 01:41 LightningStrike wrote:
ExO have to be scum he called me and Celestial scum when we were town with Celestial being a Uncounterclaimed Doctor and never found scum because he is scum and doesn't want to call out his teammates. LS, there is a difference between scumhunting and finding scum. He is scumhunting, but very well could be on the wrong track. How many times have we said in games that just because someone is town, that they are not always correct?
Let me ask what is track record so far on finding scum? I found 0 because I know I'm town and Celestial is a Uncounterclaimed Doctor. Scum likes to go for easy mislynches and me and Celestial are unfortunatly easy mislynches.
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On January 10 2015 01:52 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On January 10 2015 01:42 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2015 01:41 LightningStrike wrote:
ExO have to be scum he called me and Celestial scum when we were town with Celestial being a Uncounterclaimed Doctor and never found scum because he is scum and doesn't want to call out his teammates. You can't really scum him for not finding any scum yet. None of us have. He only been scum reading town why else why would he go after me and Celestial? By that logic I'm the scummiest scum who's ever scummed before.
He far better than you in terms of scummiest of scum becasue he bothering to make cases which is seen townie but he using to get rid of townies though that my issue with him. Step it up in memory of me this game and we call it even since I led your mislynch and you leading mine.
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