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On January 06 2015 09:44 -Celestial- wrote: Out of interest what are your current scumreads in addition to Shining? And what about the recent read on LS? JJB was another one now, based on his lack of interest in scumhunting, even though he had appeared to read the thread on mobile. My sentiment ironically is only further supported by his latest post. Tubesock was one individual that I want to see step it up, because based on the Carol mafia game, I am aware of what he's capable of. I do not like how he used the D1 excuse, however, at the time he originally said that it was still fairly early in D1, I did not scumread him at that time because it was early. Now we are about halfway through D1 and there's a load of content to answer to and for. Regarding the recent read on LS, I see where ExO is coming from with all the town reads, though I am not sure I agree with some aspects of his argument. For example, I'm not sure I entirely agree with LS not scum hunting, since he is asking questions (some of which are going unanswered). However, in his thoughts on Shining I am trying to follow the logic on his read: On January 05 2015 23:50 LightningStrike wrote: The Shining: Town for now since she asking some questions and looks like she trying to figure this game out but again I need more posts from him to confirm my thoughts of him being town. To this: On January 06 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: Also the drive by posting by Shining I think if Shining doesn't follow up on that then I could definitely see Shining as Scum but for now null I guess. And then after Shining posts on his return, LS posts this: On January 06 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: As I said I needed more posts on some people to figure out their alignment and I had a null read on Shining on the stuff earlier but now it changed to town after his last post on this page. To me, the progression in LS's reads isn't entirely clear. He has a lot of town reads, yes, but even more important, how he gets to them, especially when others may have contrasting views, is what needs some explanation. | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:53 Silverarte wrote: ok, to work with me I go. Back in hopefully ten hours. Stupid time zones. I had a few questions for you regarding your reads, but I'll just leave them for you for when you return. | ||
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Caught up on the thread from last night, being 6-8h ahead of most of you, I had to go to bed prematurely. Shining, one thing I'm not satisfied on and I'd appreciate if you can fill in is the questions you haven't clarified since early D1. This is one of the things I had trouble on with you in addition to the post I had cited, and I don't believe you've answered for that either, from what I can tell. (Operative words in bold.) On January 05 2015 10:51 rsoultin wrote: Well, I am going to question things when they're not clear or seem out-of-place. Not sure how else to scumhunt cause I don't have a handy dandy scum divining rod. If you're implying that I'm bluehunting, though, not sure what you're basing that comment on apart from paranoia. Care to enlighten us? On January 05 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote: Shining, I read through Rasputin's filter and I don't see where he's trying to ferret out roles. What bothers me about your post is that you mention "questioning every one of us in the hope of a slip"...and that's what town should be doing. If questioning people gets them to reveal alignment-indicative information, then all the better. Why does this seem to be an issue? | ||
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I'm aware your strong suit is analysing the votes, but this occurs (or will occur, in this game) once every 72 hours. And to be honest, we need you helping town more often than once every 72 hours. | ||
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Only two posts, the first is not alignment indicative, and the second which I townread him for, was all fine and dandy but as cited by others, jack all since. Waffle, when you return, can you please provide some reads on others from the content that has transpired? | ||
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On January 06 2015 13:17 Silverarte wrote: @Warwaffle- Thanks for pointing me at the guide, though I admit, the 'suspicious' intro had me blink a few times. So far though, your analysis has me thinking you as town but I do agree with Celestial. You didn't give us anything of substance. I want to know why you read Waffle as town when you also agree he didn't give anything of substance? What of the analysis? Or did you change your mind? On January 06 2015 23:52 Silverarte wrote: As far as my vote, rereading (and being convinced by several other player points), my vote is going to Waffle. I doublechecked the posts to validate what was being said, and it's true that there is a lot of lurking going on with only substance in the beginning given after prodding. ##Vote: TheWarWaffle I don't disagree that Waffle is lurking. But then you said before you didn't give anything of substance and now you are saying substance was given? Can you please elaborate on your thought progression regarding the substance part of your argument? | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:43 -Celestial- wrote: Silver I have literally no idea about, as I posted. I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts because to me it just appears to be a mix. I don't understand a couple of her reads, her progression on Waffle from a substantive part (the lurking is obvious), and I don't understand why she's scumreading Rasputin or why she isn't answering Rasputin's question, not from what I can tell anyhow. I don't know if it's because she's new or if she has something to hide. | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:09 LightningStrike wrote: HTS What you think of ExO's and -Celestial- case on me? Also what you think of me and Rsoultin pushing TheWarWaffle? LS, grabbing some food, but will answer this question when I return. | ||
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Tube, regarding LS's use of meta....just look at the way LS played in Carol...he was heavily criticised for his use of meta in Carol for players that he had not even played with. LoneMeow put it best "if I hear LS use the word meta one more time in his argument, my brain will explode" or something to that effect. His overuse of meta, as far as I'm concerned is not alignment indicative because he uses meta often regardless of alignment. | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:09 LightningStrike wrote: HTS What you think of ExO's and -Celestial- case on me? Also what you think of me and Rsoultin pushing TheWarWaffle? You and Rasputin pushing/pressure voting WW is appropriate - pressure vote this late in the day are reasonable. More specifically, she voted 5h ago or approximately at the 36h mark. That is late enough. If before say the 24h mark I would say that would have been too premature. The same concern with WW was applied to Shining when it did - that he posted and then disappeared, giving the image that okay I'm townread and then goes off, but of course Shining did respond. Here WW has yet to post beyond those two, so pressure is entirely appropriate until he posts and/or relevant questions are answered. ExO has since updated his case on you, so let me also take the time to comment on that separately. | ||
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On January 07 2015 04:31 ExO_ wrote: Totally unrelated to the game: Could somebody also please clarify who I should be calling "she". I've gotten confused in the thread, and it would bug me slightly if I'm getting it wrong. The following players in this game, to my knowledge, are female: Silverarte, Rasputin (rsoultin), and myself. | ||
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On January 07 2015 04:28 Tubesock wrote: Do you have lynch targets outside of Shining, JarJar, and Warwaffle? Shining and JarJar at this point in time. Re-examining LS, WW (having just posted his reads), Gumdrop. Silverarte needs to answer my questions, but I want to see her responses. | ||
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On January 07 2015 04:59 Trfel wrote: Wait, the voting deadline is tonight? I thought it was tomorrow night.... EoD is 4h from now. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:07 ExO_ wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but is there any example of his mafia play? If there isn't any evidence to show that he'd act differently as scum, then I think the town-meta-read on him is garbage. ExO, there is. In Student Mafia IV (my own first game), he was a mafia goon. And he showed in his posts that he had more to hide in that game. At least in comparison I think. Game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome LS filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike | ||
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Mind you, English is not my first language either, and though some of his posts are poorly worded he IS trying to push the conversation along. Nearly all of his posts have a question, and my impression is that time of night when he was pushing conversation along, it was in the direction of trying to gather scumreads. If he continues to parrot in subsequent days, he would make a stronger lynch candidate, but I need further clarification from you on the parts where you think Tubesock is detracting from the conversation. Tubesock posted about certain people not being active, and I do not believe saying "thread is dead again" is an alignment indicative behaviour. | ||
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That long post you had out there, that makes this a difficult call. I don't like his read progression, he wasn't very specific in his response to me about The Shining. And scum tend to muddle things up. The problem is, LS sheeps like crazy and has these types of reads even as town, Carol is probably a great example of this. He was a special role and I told him post-game his reads/posts were forced and rushed, he was "likeable" there as well, and he's displaying a lot of that here. On meta alone, I'm still 50/50 on LS. And on 50/50s, I don't want to lynch them D1 until I get a more developed focus on them. I've played two games where he's displayed somewhat similar behaviours as both town and scum. Right now, I'm most convinced on Shining, especially as I don't have any responses from him this close to EoD and I think that is where I'm going to settle the vote. I will continue to examine others as there are more scum, but LS I need more time to read him this game based on my knowledge of him past games. | ||
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On January 07 2015 06:09 Tubesock wrote: I forgot to implicitly point out that warwaffle isn't consistent with his town/mafia reads. He thinks it's ok for some people to post short but not others, that it's ok for ExO to spray accusations and leave while it's not for Rsoultin. Difference is obviously, Rsoultin called bullshit on his absence and voted him. My issue with Waffle's reads is that he's not using quotes/analysis to support some of his reads, more than one person disagrees with him on Shining and JarJar...there's a reason I asked him that question about you because I'm interpreting it a very different way from he is, and neither of us are native English speakers. | ||
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