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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 00:40 GMT
#1401
And i was actually being ruder to him before that the first.time.he tilted, so why martyr the second time when there are multiples in the thread who agree with one of your scumreads?
RIP Aaliyah
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22338 Posts
January 02 2015 00:41 GMT
#1402
Artanis you seem fairly confident on this geript stuff but halfway through his filter I refreshed and saw you urging Koshi to keep his vote on him, then went and looked at your filter and well... Other than some early Koshi-sheep-hand-holding on his geript case I don't really see why you think he's mafia. Can you sum it up for me?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 02 2015 00:41 GMT
#1403
On January 02 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:34 IAmRobik wrote:
Can we lynch GB? He's worse than I am this game


Please don't start the flame.

i was referring to your inactivity and your random pop-ins + that post that you made about "is there an ongoing convo or should i catch up" like wtf is that shit
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
January 02 2015 00:41 GMT
#1404
On January 02 2015 09:39 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean geript*

On January 02 2015 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [snip] +
JAT, I'm willing to write off Marv's and anyone else's inactivity on NYE. If he keeps playing like this on D2 he's a lynch candidate for sure though.

@Lazer Though my desire to lynch Robik is strong, I don't actually believe he's the best lynch. I dunno whom between you and Geript I want to lynch.
I think I'm leaning towards Geript because Palmar is pretty handsome.
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote:
I feel like unlike Koshi, geript did basically nothing to actually advance his read or influence anyone to follow him. It's the difference of passively "being right" (in case chyz is town) and aggressively defending him (like koshi did).

Geript feels so complacent about the lynch. He has a few candidates posted (sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier) for whom I've only heard arguments for sicklucker (which were pretty poor).

That said, it's weird for both town and mafia Geript to be this complacent, but it's weirder for Town Geript to not push through what he thinks is the best lynch.

Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2015 00:41 GMT
#1405
The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible.
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 02 2015 00:42 GMT
#1406
I'm asking this because although the cop thing was terrible, his other posts looked like coming from a town who is trying to figure out people's alignment and a town who wants to generate discussion.

He called Eden out for fairly good reasons. I had a slight townread on Eden but after I re read his townread on DrH( it felt pretty bullshit
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 00:42 GMT
#1407
Calm down cowboy
RIP Aaliyah
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
January 02 2015 00:42 GMT
#1408
On January 02 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
Artanis you seem fairly confident on this geript stuff but halfway through his filter I refreshed and saw you urging Koshi to keep his vote on him, then went and looked at your filter and well... Other than some early Koshi-sheep-hand-holding on his geript case I don't really see why you think he's mafia. Can you sum it up for me?

Post I just posted and this
On January 02 2015 06:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 06:05 geript wrote:
Also, fwiw Artanis, I saw this lynch coming yesterday. Considering the situation, activity, etc. It's a really hard lynch to get out of and all I can do is do my best to steer who to next.

But you've been here plenty and none of what you've done helped steer the town into a good direction. I can't claim to have pushed strongly onto anyone either (mainly because of uncertainty) but it feels like all of your posts have just been weak observations that didn't go anywhere. Why have you been so complacent in the time that you did have? I see requests for clarifications and observations with a few exceptions, like when you asked me about sl/eden/kelsier, which you then didn't follow up on.

On January 02 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And I do think people would've listened had you attempted to make an impact on the game. It just feels like you haven't tried to do so.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
January 02 2015 00:43 GMT
#1409
Does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't just lynch batsnacks?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2015 00:43 GMT
#1410
Vivax/Batsnacks are doing Lazermonkey
Dr.H. is doing Chyz

2 are sleeping.

Why not?
I had a good night of sleep.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 02 2015 00:43 GMT
#1411
No way is drh scum.
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 02 2015 00:43 GMT
#1412
On January 02 2015 09:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 02 2015 09:34 IAmRobik wrote:
Can we lynch GB? He's worse than I am this game


Please don't start the flame.

i was referring to your inactivity and your random pop-ins + that post that you made about "is there an ongoing convo or should i catch up" like wtf is that shit


I'm doing both things at the same time, I wanted to know if I would clutter an important discussion with comments on early posts on the thread
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22338 Posts
January 02 2015 00:43 GMT
#1413
On January 02 2015 09:41 Koshi wrote:
The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible.


I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2015 00:43 GMT
#1414
On January 02 2015 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Calm down cowboy

HAHAHA. Coming from you that is priceless.
I had a good night of sleep.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 00:45 GMT
#1415
On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really.


Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter.

Seems interesting. Maybe I should pay more attention right now.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2015 00:45 GMT
#1416
On January 02 2015 09:43 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:41 Koshi wrote:
The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible.


I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead.

Nope.

Dr.H. hasn't shown any form of interesting thought outside his Chyz tunnel. Which is 90% boring stuff and 10% plausible stuff. Yet Dr.H. has 12 pages of filter.


I dare anybody in this game to give me 1 interesting thought DrH. gave that wasn't about Chyz. There is nothing.
I had a good night of sleep.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 00:45 GMT
#1417
On January 02 2015 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Shockingly, I still want to lynch TheChyz

I will restrict this post to one point and one point only. Unfortunately, town will have to do some reading and yes I will quote him. This entire game is about reading.

I'll just go in chronological order of his posts here and pick out only the parts that matter. Don't give me bullshit about taking stuff out of context unless you can demonstrate why the context matters.

Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote:
Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.

A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.

Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?


Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.

Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?


From the third quote especially it's obvious that TheChyz highly suspects me as mafia. "Really scummish to me". Plain as day. He drops this read completely when he refocuses on LazerMonkey and acts as though he never thought I was mafia at all.

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.


In this post he's back to trying to make his suspicion of me more legitimate. But how was he fine with me 8 hours ago? 8 hours ago he voted for me, tried to convince thread I was scum ("Really scummish" in fact). On top of that, he is once again confirming suspicion of me without really outright saying it. What does trying to push a vote mean? Why wouldn't I try to push a vote for someone I suspect highly? He provides zero examples which is inconsistent with his previous town behavior.

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.


So he's trying to make it seem like he wasn't suspicious before (even though it's obvious he was scumreading me at the time). In his last post it seems that he suspects me again, but here it seems like he doesn't.

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 04:18 TheChyz wrote:
Just quickly dr.H the reason that I changed my opinion on you is that before going to bed that night it reminded me of one of my games where I tunneled somebody for a day because I found his posts suspicious. It turns out we were both town but the point is I find it very hard for a mafia to just tunnel and kinda annoy the thread like you have. Granted its keeping you safe from getting lynched day 1 for now, but it might have just as well backfired and I have very high doubts that scum would do something so risky with almost no reward. The more your tunneling the more it looks like your trying to get votes, but the matter of the fact that you haven't dropped it so far is pretty impressive and I just can't bring myself to believe that scum would do such a thing. That is mainly why my change in heart of you from that time happened. Maybe should have done this earlier to explain that? LOL.


So now you're saying, yet again, that you changed your opinion on me overnight. So you did in fact, suspect me before, even though just a bit earlier you said you were fine with me. He is impressed by my tunneling and think it makes me appear very pro-town, so his suspicions from earlier are gone I guess.

The reasons he raises suspicion on me in previous posts:
1. Spamming
2. Tunneling too hard

The reasons he now claims to think I am town:
1. Spamming
2. Tunneling too hard

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday.

His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom

But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on.


You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot

I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh.


Two posts later my tunneling is no longer impressive I guess and just makes poor Chyz want to quit the game. Martyrd. I don't know if I need to say much more, does anyone need more? Go check out his previous town game to see the shocking difference in tone basically throughout his entire play this game, I don't buy the argument that he's just tilting from being tunneled cause he didn't tilt evens lighly when he got lynched in that game


I want your thoughts on this kelsier and vivax. Specifically, please read or refute. If town wants me to move on, help me move on
RIP Aaliyah
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 02 2015 00:45 GMT
#1418
On January 02 2015 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
So I actually read through Chyz filter in Cultured really fast so take everything with a grain of salt.. I do think DH is correct in that he acted in a very different way in this game than he did in Cultured. He didn't seem to spew massive OMGUS at everyone who thought he was scum. I do think that makes Chyz look worse.

However, there is still a mayor difference in that he didn't have DH up his ass constantly that game. Especially for a new player that can have a great influence in how you play.

geript is still the better lynch of them imo.

Pretty sure he was getting tunneled in the game and he definitely was up for lynch and was mislynched. He wasnt emotional in the least, notice how when he martyrs fucking likem...two posts before that he's trying to buddy up to me and apologize or something. He backed.down soooo sheepishly and when it didnt work he did a 180 and tilted all the way

I obviously only skimmed through his filter so I cannot say anything for certain but to me it didn't look like he was under the same sort of pressure that he is this game. His difference in meta is interesting and imo it makes him look worse. But I think it is somewhat possible that he just crumbled super hard under all pressure.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 02 2015 00:46 GMT
#1419
When do we lynch?
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 02 2015 00:46 GMT
#1420
On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet.

On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy.

what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non?

Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this.

just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~

On December 31 2014 15:32 geript wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it.

@Eden Explain.

sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain

as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know?

By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion.
The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion?



Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie.
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