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Vivax
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On January 17 2015 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I know I'm town, I think GB's town, I think Damdred is likely town and I think Lazer is likely scum. Lazer is handing his vote to us. I disagree strongly with your assertion. Yes if we make that votecount a 3-5-0-0-0 with mavr leading the lynch I can finally go to bed | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:25 Vivax wrote: Yes if we make that votecount a 3-5-0-0-0 with mavr leading the lynch I can finally go to bed But everyone's switching back to Marv, shouldn't you second guess your marv scumread now? | ||
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Vivax
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On January 17 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: OH NO EVERYONE'S SWITCHING BACK TO MARV IT HAS TO BE KELSIER Hey, don't copy my show | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But everyone's switching back to Marv, shouldn't you second guess your marv scumread now? No cause that SL vote on LM supporting marv not getting lynched was sketchy as fuck. and he was on marv previously. I'll hunt him down like a feral dog once marv flips red. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:28 Vivax wrote: No cause that SL vote on LM supporting marv not getting lynched was sketchy as fuck. and he was on marv previously. I'll hunt him down like a feral dog once marv flips red. SL IS NOT SCUM On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. | ||
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-Lazer claims not to have a read on eden, DrH or rit, but attacks Chyz for not having strong reads. I saw the latter but not the former. Found the former myself, might be relevant. On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. -Copies thread mentality -Weak read on Robik, seemingly random -Rit townreading LM for a read on Damdred (okaaay) -Wants to lynch GB yet votes Marv -Swaps read on GB due to a meta read. I think your case is alright, though the point on Rit townreading LM for a townread and him swapping his read on GB for his case feel a bit farfetched. I actually need to think about it and reread him a bit more. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: No answer me, lm has been fighting Kels lynch the whole game and has to be told to vote marv because he tried to kill him today? Wait, are you saying LM was against or in favour of a Kelsier lynch? I'm just glancing through his filter now and he doesn't say much about Kelsier at all. | ||
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On January 17 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote: By fighting Kels lynch I mean fighting against Kels case all game. And he walks in in lylo and just says I don't have time who do I vote and keaves? Super anti town at best.,.and makes his vote seemed dorced Do you mean that he wanted Kels lynched or not because your wording is really unclear. | ||
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Also I have to look through lms filter on kel. However he looks like he wanted to lynch kel more but vivax told him to vote marv, because marv was trying to kill him. That strikes me as weird, because kel wanted to as well and lm knows that so why sheep right then for that reason | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:27 Lazermonkey wrote: Yhea, I skimmed through his filter yesterday actually. I was kinda lazy though so I didn't post anything about it. So Kelsier was actually one of first guys to list superbia as possible scum. This is obviously nice from a town PoV. But he didn't really push him at all untill D3. He does barely mention ritoky untill D3 also. This does make him look quite suspicious I'd say. But I feel that I really need to read him more carefully to be able to make a full judgement. He was also the first person to vote superbia. Lynching him now is probably not optimal but if nothing changes we definately need to consider lynching him. He hasn't really pushed him since. A few days later he states: On January 16 2015 05:04 Lazermonkey wrote: But I said I think marv is my second highest scum read?!? Just that I'd rather kill GB. He's interacted with Kels a few times after that but never mentioned any read on him. But if it's LM/Kels/Marv then today is so stupid because we're trying to decide which of the three scum to lynch first. Would they really put themselves in that position? :/ | ||
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