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On January 17 2015 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2015 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 13:24 sicklucker wrote:
So @vivax it turns out my cop claim screwed with mafia in the perfect way. Im not result orientated but i do play this game for fun. And that was fun Please don't ever do something like this again. You were obviously town for it but that doesn't change the fact that it is simply awful play. Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason.  yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same  Noone (town) has ever read me mafia for my fakeclaims. Ever. If it was the case here (was SL read scum for townies?) it was not bad play. If he was read town for it (by townies) it was good play. He was townread by some and scumread by some. Well then it was probably bad play.
that's an incorrect viewpoint to look at it really. Probably sl shouldn't have fakeclaimed, and on several of the times you fakeclaimed, neither should you. "what did the other townies think" seems to be a rather bankrupt way to look at it.
"I made a great case on all 5 mafia individually and collectively, but town all thought i was scum for it" - well, you can't blame the outcome on the original action.
sl fakeclaiming was silly, but the way it went down made him absolutely town (esp. when it came to light later that multiple mafia had pushed the claim), and GB and Vivax being suspicious of him was insanely dumb.
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On January 17 2015 21:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
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I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense. That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable. I agree, that's not what I mean. It's just that you said it shouldn't be in the database and all that when I feel on a game-impact scale it had a minor if not zero effect. I said this when I thought HTS had nothing to do with this game at all.
fwiw, if like DP had appeared in the QT making the occasional comment, i'd have definitely wondered what was going on.
I knew several players had shadows, though, and I knew HTS was a newbie, so I just assumed that's what it was. So in that fashion the experience of HTS was relevant (as to one of your posts above)
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On January 17 2015 21:37 justanothertownie wrote:
GB and Vivax both have a thing for being suspicious of obvious townies though. So there is that.
GB is still pretty new, and hopefully he should grow out of it.
Vivax should have absolutely been able to see that sl was clear town though. And with you also.
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I'm well aware of the times you've fakeclaimed, and you have an incredibly rose-tinted view of your own claims.
There's little to no point arguing with you about it really.
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On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything
1st paragraph: ye
2nd: i may try to elaborate at some point, but i don't think it's the fluff
3rd: thx bbe
4th: they're both important, and usually they should work together. For example, Artanis was forgiven for the Palmar push because of his "gameplay" but it actually massively pushed mafia agenda (and Palmar instantly called Artanis certain mafia when he woke up dead and saw)
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On January 17 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh damn jat you're right. I didn't process it was a shadow saying that, but yeah that's obviously unacceptable and it could've been game altering depending on if we would've seen it and what slam would've said if we submitted a doublestack.
no. I knew we couldn't double stack.
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i wonder if a 45 page filter for mafia will ever be broken
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On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game.
hopefully not more, hopefully less.
I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia.
I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/
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On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch.
maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia.
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On January 18 2015 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. The way I see this is that you will try to manage this and get scumread for it. Then you will have to post more anyways to not get lynched. Or you will have to post more to get the lynch you want naturally. And if you do that you will have to cut all those little unimportant posts that can also show that you are town. This is not the best idea you ever had.
don't you remember hogwarts?
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On January 18 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. The way I see this is that you will try to manage this and get scumread for it. Then you will have to post more anyways to not get lynched. Or you will have to post more to get the lynch you want naturally. And if you do that you will have to cut all those little unimportant posts that can also show that you are town. This is not the best idea you ever had. don't you remember hogwarts? Yes, I do. But you smurfed in hogwarts which is an important difference.
it is, but i still looked extremely town regardless. so it's definitely possible.
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yeah there was no world at day 5 EoD where the alignments went
marv town
Palmar mafia
no world at all
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btw, wtf was Robik doing with his checks O.o
madness
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I think me, you, and VE have the 3 most played games here, in some order.
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On January 18 2015 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. It actually looked nothing like townmarv  What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum.
probably the thing that looked most like me in many days at any rate lol. i could see myself going after that (wrongly) as town too :<
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Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all.
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On January 18 2015 00:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all. Yes, didn't I try to force you into that position at one point?
yes, you did, and it was essentially successful.
like there's a bunch of players i know (like you) and a bunch of players who townmarv should be reading as town, and then there's mafia I'm trying not to bus (If i bus Damdred, damdred dies), and... that leaves me with nothing.
you were right to do it
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On January 18 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all. Yeah, I think your biggest flaw (other than not pushing your suspects as strongly) as scum is clearing people too quickly, but I guess you kind of have to since that's what you do as town. yep he has to. Marv will should win a scumteam a game. His job is to distract town for long enough to allow his team to sweep up. Most higher profile players need to take this role because in the end it will be obvious they are mafia.The alternative option is sooo difficult to pull off.
Yeah, this all over. Artanis definitely mafia MVP but there's no way I can possibly be alive on d6 and not be obvious mafia in this game, it's basically impossible.
Not getting lynched (and winning the game) is essentially as good as I can possibly get in a game like this. I think this is the 7th time i've survived lylo as mafia...
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On January 18 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
See what happens when a bunch of baddies lynch Geript. I am accepting apologies for your stupidity now.
you did yourself zero favours buddy.
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