On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote: So just to Math this out.
In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch.
If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game.
If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead.
There's a few bobs and screws left that I don't fully understand myself. That is one of them. My best guess is that you felt the bus would get you enough cred to make this argument. Had Lazer lynched Marv, Lazer would have a great chance of surviving the entire game. Same goes to a lesser extent for you and Marv on LM. It's sacrificing time for a better shot at winning at endgame.
On January 14 2015 14:26 Damdred wrote: See you can't even see anything we are saying, you are overly defensive at this point.
you call me confirmed town and echo robs thoughts until thread changes and you discard half of them and cling to still trying to confirm people as town. I honestly think you've played a great scum game AND going through Marvs filter I found a ritoky quote.
Theory time, ritoky was ok with SLs cllaim at the time even said that it takes SL off the lynch table. I have to dig more to see what ritoky did with it afterwards, but if rit plays the cop card the next day... Why didn't he do it then when SL a much easier person was up that he could of potentially mislynched if SL was town? Instead gives the claim credit at this point and then claims the next day?
Damdred explain this to me like I'm 4. I think I've asked this before but my memory is shit. Kelsier softs cop, SL fakeclaims, Kelsier rescinds, mafia doesn't counterclaim anywhere. Mafia (ritoky) fakeclaims, robik (real cop) CCs. This makes SL scum how?
Cause ritoky didn't try to lynch SL for what he did, and instead cleared him. Not an argument I would use however.
Thats just not true at all. If anything im town because ritoky put scum on me and never believed my claim
Actually he did believe you until d3 after you took your claim back. I even quoted Ritoky saying oh ok your the cop you are off the table for lynch.
now i'm gone
Like 3 people were super against my claim. Ritoky super and ksc. Of course mafia cant vote an uncced cop there gonna look super bad.
Of course, Kelsier had to find out if you were the real cop. Town motivation to do so? Find out if you're scum.
Scum motivation? Find out if you're worth a NK.
So if he's town and finds out you're not the cop, what was the point of digging so deep when he doesn't scumread you afterwards?
he definitely scum read me afterwords? Like your reacing the conclusion your wrong on this look at othe rangles
He did? But he said.
Then geript flips town. So why does mafia late hammer a town when the vote is two towns. I listen to jat and robin and thy make good points why sl Is town. Hence my read changes.
He uncovers you are not the cop during the night. So if this reason Kelsier gives happened before he uncovered your cop claim, he's a proven liar. Need to check.
@ GB
Question: why didn't SL instantly lynched Lazer instead doing that ridiculous thing of voting and unvoting?
Currently Palmar is set to be lynched. Deadline is in
You guys are basically saying lazermonkey risked having his mafia partner killed instead of voting palmar for survival
LM wasn't around at deadline.
On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote: So just to Math this out.
In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch.
If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game.
If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead.
Already did. Cause Lazer is busy and you and marv bussing him gives you a freewin in the later days, unless people start wondering why you don't get killed at night.
On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote: So just to Math this out.
In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch.
If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game.
If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead.
There's a few bobs and screws left that I don't fully understand myself. That is one of them. My best guess is that you felt the bus would get you enough cred to make this argument. Had Lazer lynched Marv, Lazer would have a great chance of surviving the entire game. Same goes to a lesser extent for you and Marv on LM. It's sacrificing time for a better shot at winning at endgame.
You think mafia do all this, have an extra day make extra night kills to give town info all for vote cred, and have to get 2 mislynches. When instead they can just get a town lynched and then win the next day by convincing 1 member of town to vote with them.
On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote: So just to Math this out.
In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch.
If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game.
If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead.
There's a few bobs and screws left that I don't fully understand myself. That is one of them. My best guess is that you felt the bus would get you enough cred to make this argument. Had Lazer lynched Marv, Lazer would have a great chance of surviving the entire game. Same goes to a lesser extent for you and Marv on LM. It's sacrificing time for a better shot at winning at endgame.
You think mafia do all this, have an extra day make extra night kills to give town info all for vote cred, and have to get 2 mislynches. When instead they can just get a town lynched and then win the next day by convincing 1 member of town to vote with them.
Like I said, I'm not entirely happy with the explanation, but eh. Marv not leading a lynch on mafia throughout this game would get to him, so I can see him trying, and at that point you may as well join in to add to the cred.
Basically Marv would be super screwed if he led/was part of a wagon that lynched town today if he were scum. It'd be possible to sac Marv and just go full on Palmar, but he's had a 38 page game so I doubt he'd be willing to do so.
On January 15 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote: Vivax, Artanis, who should we lynch first?
LM is the biggest point of contention because both Marv and Kelsier suspect him and have indicated they still suspect him. Seeing if they blink with only one mislynch required is a good plan.
On January 15 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote: Arts is have you read mu points on Viv?
Yes. Town numbers are low. Vivax shows willingness to sacrifice his vote to the strongest townread of the thread despite being pretty clearly townread by 90% of players as well to consolidate. I consider that a town trait.
He doesn't willingly sacrifice his vote to you. He wouldn't have voted on lm if you had. In fact he set it up so he would only vote on palmar or Marv. Read my point about him.
On January 15 2015 10:50 KelsierSC wrote: He doesn't willingly sacrifice his vote to you. He wouldn't have voted on lm if you had. In fact he set it up so he would only vote on palmar or Marv. Read my point about him.
Actually this does make me curious why Vivax flipped his read on LM. Vivax explain.
One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive. And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched.
On January 15 2015 10:50 KelsierSC wrote: He doesn't willingly sacrifice his vote to you. He wouldn't have voted on lm if you had. In fact he set it up so he would only vote on palmar or Marv. Read my point about him.
Actually this does make me curious why Vivax flipped his read on LM. Vivax explain.
I was convinced marv and SL were scum at the time, didn't really bother with Kels up until now. I see a wagon pushed by 2 scumreads, plus the marv-distancing theory between him and Palmar that left me the inch of doubt on him even though I townread him for effort cause he sacrificed sleep, so I figured LM was another town wagon, and explicitly said I'd lynch my townread to lynch my scumread tomorrow.
Okay guys, final words. Lynch LM tomorrow. 98% sure it's the best play. Lynch Kelsier next. 90% sure it's the best play. Lynch Marv last. 100% sure it's the best play. Either he's going to be massively upset as town or we win the game.
Don't take this as gospel though. Keep your ears open. Listen and converse with all three of them. Tunnel vision leads to losing games.
Finally, listen to this song. Seriously, it's good. Wardruna is fantastic.
On January 15 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Here's my funeral song.
EPT
